| France are having no luck. on 20:23 - Jul 18 with 749 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 20:19 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I'm going to leave you to be dim with yourself now as evidently you suffer from a severe case of Dunning Kruger. |
Fair enough. I will take your insults. Funny how the other poster thought I owed you an apology. He thought I was being rude to you, yet you are the one insulting me. I shall try and steer clear from now on. |  | |  |
| France are having no luck. on 20:44 - Jul 18 with 712 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 20:23 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
Fair enough. I will take your insults. Funny how the other poster thought I owed you an apology. He thought I was being rude to you, yet you are the one insulting me. I shall try and steer clear from now on. |
I mean really you owe an apology to society for your own ignorance about mental health, but okay.
I'm still not sure how you concluded I don't think charity is superb BTW. Or will you cop out again by screaming OPINIONS over and over?
Quit whilst you're a̶h̶e̶a̶d̶ behind. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 20:48 - Jul 18 with 706 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 20:44 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I mean really you owe an apology to society for your own ignorance about mental health, but okay.
I'm still not sure how you concluded I don't think charity is superb BTW. Or will you cop out again by screaming OPINIONS over and over?
Quit whilst you're a̶h̶e̶a̶d̶ behind. |
"mental health"? Why are you trying to bring that into it? I never mentioned "mental health". You are the one insulting me, not the other way round. | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:03 - Jul 18 with 692 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| France are having no luck. on 17:30 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
You seem to have failed to grasp the difference between religious belief and organised religion, which makes your entire point a non-starter.
Don’t run off pretending moral high ground because you can’t engage your brain, that’s your argument to have with yourself.
THE LEFT ARE THE REAL BIGOTS! |
OK. I will explain but as I have said, not going to get drawn into semantics.
Belief relates to practice. If you say you can believe in any god you like but you cannot have any organised religious practice you are in practice removing the right to acting out that belief.
Here are a few examples.
Evangelical Christianity involves meeting together with other Christians to read the Bible, learn from it, sing and pray. Remove the "organised religion" and you are left with an underground church where the meetings are illegal. What punishment is suitable for those who continue to meet despite the organisation being banned? This is what happens in China, North Korea and many Muslim countries and used to happen throughout the Eastern block. This sounds exactly what you are proposing especially when you then state it as a left-wing philosophy.
Part of the belief in Islam involves attending services for prayers. If you remove the organised religion that is not possible. What punishment is suitable for those who continue to form a Mosque and meet?
Jewish religion involves many different services and celebrations. What punishment is suitable for those who organise and attend these? Can you see how this is very anti-Semitic and would be worryingly close to Nazi Germany policies?
A Christian would likely wish to get married in a church and have their funeral in one. Would the state provide a mandatory non-religious alternative or dictate what the services entail since there is no organised religion allowed to offer these services? Can you see how that would not really work for someone who held specific religious beliefs?
Your suggestion that people are free to believe what they want whilst banning organised religion carte blanche is simplistic and flawed. Feel free to explain the model you meant where people could freely hold these beliefs without prejudice while the organised religion is illegal. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 with 683 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:03 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
OK. I will explain but as I have said, not going to get drawn into semantics.
Belief relates to practice. If you say you can believe in any god you like but you cannot have any organised religious practice you are in practice removing the right to acting out that belief.
Here are a few examples.
Evangelical Christianity involves meeting together with other Christians to read the Bible, learn from it, sing and pray. Remove the "organised religion" and you are left with an underground church where the meetings are illegal. What punishment is suitable for those who continue to meet despite the organisation being banned? This is what happens in China, North Korea and many Muslim countries and used to happen throughout the Eastern block. This sounds exactly what you are proposing especially when you then state it as a left-wing philosophy.
Part of the belief in Islam involves attending services for prayers. If you remove the organised religion that is not possible. What punishment is suitable for those who continue to form a Mosque and meet?
Jewish religion involves many different services and celebrations. What punishment is suitable for those who organise and attend these? Can you see how this is very anti-Semitic and would be worryingly close to Nazi Germany policies?
A Christian would likely wish to get married in a church and have their funeral in one. Would the state provide a mandatory non-religious alternative or dictate what the services entail since there is no organised religion allowed to offer these services? Can you see how that would not really work for someone who held specific religious beliefs?
Your suggestion that people are free to believe what they want whilst banning organised religion carte blanche is simplistic and flawed. Feel free to explain the model you meant where people could freely hold these beliefs without prejudice while the organised religion is illegal. |
Freedom to practice religion and organised religion aren’t the same though.
It’s a non starter. Lumping them together serves the agenda of organised religion and the corruption within it.
Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this? That’s an assumption. [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 21:06]
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| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 with 682 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 20:48 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
"mental health"? Why are you trying to bring that into it? I never mentioned "mental health". You are the one insulting me, not the other way round. |
Not the best at connecting dots, are you? | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 with 683 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 20:44 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I mean really you owe an apology to society for your own ignorance about mental health, but okay.
I'm still not sure how you concluded I don't think charity is superb BTW. Or will you cop out again by screaming OPINIONS over and over?
Quit whilst you're a̶h̶e̶a̶d̶ behind. |
"Charity is a failure of society after all, and often the financial inequality of organised religion is guilty of the “society” part. " | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:07 - Jul 18 with 677 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Not the best at connecting dots, are you? |
Obviously not. | | | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:07 - Jul 18 with 675 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
"Charity is a failure of society after all, and often the financial inequality of organised religion is guilty of the “society” part. " |
That’s not me saying I’m against charity though, is it?
I suggest you stop getting involved in debates beyond your understanding. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:16 - Jul 18 with 664 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:07 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
That’s not me saying I’m against charity though, is it?
I suggest you stop getting involved in debates beyond your understanding. |
You are funny. Fair enough, you got me. Good one. I shall have to watch you in the future.  | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:16 - Jul 18 with 664 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| France are having no luck. on 21:05 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Freedom to practice religion and organised religion aren’t the same though.
It’s a non starter. Lumping them together serves the agenda of organised religion and the corruption within it.
Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this? That’s an assumption. [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 21:06]
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Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this?
The point where you stop organised religion. How do you stop organised religion but still allow meetings to be organised and take place?
I am really struggling to grasp what you are really suggesting.
Perhaps you should start by stating what it is that you want to stop and how you would propose stopping it. To me church services, mosques, Jewish celebrations etc are organised religion. What do you actually mean by organised religion? Then how do you propose to stop said organised religion? | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:20 - Jul 18 with 656 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:16 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this?
The point where you stop organised religion. How do you stop organised religion but still allow meetings to be organised and take place?
I am really struggling to grasp what you are really suggesting.
Perhaps you should start by stating what it is that you want to stop and how you would propose stopping it. To me church services, mosques, Jewish celebrations etc are organised religion. What do you actually mean by organised religion? Then how do you propose to stop said organised religion? |
Be careful, they fooled me. They are very good at this. I fell for it and feel a bit silly now. | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:25 - Jul 18 with 644 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:16 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this?
The point where you stop organised religion. How do you stop organised religion but still allow meetings to be organised and take place?
I am really struggling to grasp what you are really suggesting.
Perhaps you should start by stating what it is that you want to stop and how you would propose stopping it. To me church services, mosques, Jewish celebrations etc are organised religion. What do you actually mean by organised religion? Then how do you propose to stop said organised religion? |
You don’t need to be part of an organisation to meet like minded people. You’re confusing community for organisation.
I can’t imagine you have a Limited Company set up for meeting your mates down the pub? | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:27 - Jul 18 with 637 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:20 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
Be careful, they fooled me. They are very good at this. I fell for it and feel a bit silly now. |
It’s bot about fooling anyone. It’s about understanding religious organisation is not the same as religious belief.
It’s not hard. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:29 - Jul 18 with 631 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:25 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
You don’t need to be part of an organisation to meet like minded people. You’re confusing community for organisation.
I can’t imagine you have a Limited Company set up for meeting your mates down the pub? |
Stop it, enough already. Comedy is great, but you can have too much of a good thing. Quit while you are ahead. You got me, but no need to trap another.  | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:31 - Jul 18 with 627 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:27 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
It’s bot about fooling anyone. It’s about understanding religious organisation is not the same as religious belief.
It’s not hard. |
" It's bot about fooling anyone". You are the gift that just keeps on giving. | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:31 - Jul 18 with 624 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:29 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
Stop it, enough already. Comedy is great, but you can have too much of a good thing. Quit while you are ahead. You got me, but no need to trap another. |
I see you’ve now gone to the pointless trolling part of the “I really didn’t think this though” act.
Keep digging. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:32 - Jul 18 with 622 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:31 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
" It's bot about fooling anyone". You are the gift that just keeps on giving. |
I’m on my phone. I guess if it takes pointing out an obvious typo to score points you’ve really f*cked it. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:34 - Jul 18 with 618 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:31 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I see you’ve now gone to the pointless trolling part of the “I really didn’t think this though” act.
Keep digging. |
A difference of opinion is one thing, but trying to bring all the things you have tried to bring into it, is obvious a wind up. No trolling on my part. Think one needs to look into ones own mirror for that one. Must go now, but I have my eye on you, you little tinker. | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:36 - Jul 18 with 608 views | Shawsey |
| France are having no luck. on 21:32 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I’m on my phone. I guess if it takes pointing out an obvious typo to score points you’ve really f*cked it. |
Another insult. I think one might be losing one owns argument here. Good night dear boy. | | | |
| France are having no luck. on 21:37 - Jul 18 with 604 views | SpruceMoose |
| France are having no luck. on 21:36 - Jul 18 by Shawsey |
Another insult. I think one might be losing one owns argument here. Good night dear boy. |
Oh Pecker. You're a strange one. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:40 - Jul 18 with 597 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:37 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose |
Oh Pecker. You're a strange one. |
He’s literally lost the plot on this thread. I’ve stayed on topic.
Some adults unfortunately never age beyond the playground. And this is from someone who went out skateboarding this week in his 30s.
Perhaps next we debate Putin’s use of the Orthodox church to push authoritarianism? We’ve not really touched the sides of this debate and it’s already over Peck’s head. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:40 - Jul 18 with 597 views | SpruceMoose |
| France are having no luck. on 21:16 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Where did making religious meetings become illegal in this?
The point where you stop organised religion. How do you stop organised religion but still allow meetings to be organised and take place?
I am really struggling to grasp what you are really suggesting.
Perhaps you should start by stating what it is that you want to stop and how you would propose stopping it. To me church services, mosques, Jewish celebrations etc are organised religion. What do you actually mean by organised religion? Then how do you propose to stop said organised religion? |
Are you two talking about the same thing? You seem to be referring to the congregations or the communities that are built around religions, and Callis seems to be referring to the 'administrators' of religions for want of a better word. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:41 - Jul 18 with 593 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 21:40 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose |
Are you two talking about the same thing? You seem to be referring to the congregations or the communities that are built around religions, and Callis seems to be referring to the 'administrators' of religions for want of a better word. |
Exactly that. The hierarchy system. That’s organised religion. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 21:52 - Jul 18 with 573 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| France are having no luck. on 21:40 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose |
Are you two talking about the same thing? You seem to be referring to the congregations or the communities that are built around religions, and Callis seems to be referring to the 'administrators' of religions for want of a better word. |
The issue is that you do not have the congregations without the organisation.
He seems to be saying all churches must be independent house churches and not organised centrally at all ever.
I am not sure what he thinks that achieves or why he is suggesting it. It sounds very like attempts to push the church underground as in China.
Never mind anyway. As you say, we seem unable to grasp what each other are talking about, he hasn't answered any of my points about what he is trying to stop or how and I have far more important calls on my time at the moment. | |
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