| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire 11:20 - Aug 26 with 1655 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
And obviously I don't wish to speculate on whether his version of that of the Police seems more credible but the thing I find strange about all this is the Greek justice system.
It seems you can accuse someone of something, give them evidence to consider at the 11th hour, refuse an adjournment and then find someone guilty in the time it takes us to concede three second half goals in a friendly.
Surely if the evidence exists to show the accused is guilty, then how much time you have to prepare for this is largely immaterial. You might find a loophole with enough time or try to mislead the facts but this is very difficult.
However you can presumably have a chance to prove your innocence if given time to see the accusations and find witnesses, CCTV, corroborative evidence and so on.
The system itself seems very set in prejudicing the position of the accused who has little time to prove their innocence, without there being any realistic prospect of using such time to cover up their guilt.
Surely such a system would lead to corruption (again no suggestion there is any here) because if you can accuse people of things and know they will never have time to prove their innocence this itself creates the temptation to lie, with a reduced prospect of being held to account.
Just seems to me that many of the type of countries often accused of corruption seem to be those that have similar fast track judicial systems. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:23]
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:21 - Aug 26 with 1642 views | BlueBadger |
Hey, if he can't marshall a decent defence at Man Utd, he's not going to manage it in Greece. |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:22 - Aug 26 with 1631 views | Keno |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:21 - Aug 26 by BlueBadger |
Hey, if he can't marshall a decent defence at Man Utd, he's not going to manage it in Greece. |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:24 - Aug 26 with 1624 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:21 - Aug 26 by BlueBadger |
Hey, if he can't marshall a decent defence at Man Utd, he's not going to manage it in Greece. |
And three penalties already awarded to United this season hey. | |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:24 - Aug 26 with 1625 views | Steve_M |
"I don't wish to speculate"
*Speculates for several paragraphs* |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:30 - Aug 26 with 1596 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:24 - Aug 26 by Steve_M |
"I don't wish to speculate"
*Speculates for several paragraphs* |
I don't wish to speculate on whether Maguire or the Police are telling the truth about what happened.
QUOTE 'I don't wish to speculate on whether his version of that of the Police seems more credible'. Maybe try to read the whole sentence right to the end.
The rest of the post is simply pointing out that certain justice systems seem to allow no time for the accused to reasonably defend themselves before they are accused, including the Greek system which is regular accused of being corrupt in the media and elsewhere.
This doesn't mean that Harry Maguire is or isn't guilty or the Police have or have not lied. I haven't speculated on that because I don't know.
The Greek justice system is entirely separate and hasn't changed based on this incident. It's merely an observation itself which I'd hope you'd be intelligent enough to have been able to work out. You're either dim or trolling. Neither is a good look. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:32]
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:43 - Aug 26 with 1558 views | Ryorry |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:30 - Aug 26 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I don't wish to speculate on whether Maguire or the Police are telling the truth about what happened.
QUOTE 'I don't wish to speculate on whether his version of that of the Police seems more credible'. Maybe try to read the whole sentence right to the end.
The rest of the post is simply pointing out that certain justice systems seem to allow no time for the accused to reasonably defend themselves before they are accused, including the Greek system which is regular accused of being corrupt in the media and elsewhere.
This doesn't mean that Harry Maguire is or isn't guilty or the Police have or have not lied. I haven't speculated on that because I don't know.
The Greek justice system is entirely separate and hasn't changed based on this incident. It's merely an observation itself which I'd hope you'd be intelligent enough to have been able to work out. You're either dim or trolling. Neither is a good look. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:32]
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Steve M "dim or trolling" - well that's at least one good laugh I've had today, thanks!
If there were a poll for biggest trolls or dimmest posters, he'd probably 3rd from bottom to Guthers & Phil  [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:45]
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:49 - Aug 26 with 1524 views | WeWereZombies |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:30 - Aug 26 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I don't wish to speculate on whether Maguire or the Police are telling the truth about what happened.
QUOTE 'I don't wish to speculate on whether his version of that of the Police seems more credible'. Maybe try to read the whole sentence right to the end.
The rest of the post is simply pointing out that certain justice systems seem to allow no time for the accused to reasonably defend themselves before they are accused, including the Greek system which is regular accused of being corrupt in the media and elsewhere.
This doesn't mean that Harry Maguire is or isn't guilty or the Police have or have not lied. I haven't speculated on that because I don't know.
The Greek justice system is entirely separate and hasn't changed based on this incident. It's merely an observation itself which I'd hope you'd be intelligent enough to have been able to work out. You're either dim or trolling. Neither is a good look. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:32]
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Here is some light reading for you:
http://www.greeklawdigest.gr/topics/judicial-system |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 13:34 - Aug 26 with 1361 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:53 - Aug 26 by BlueBadger |
Phil isn't a troll? Come on, he knows EXACTLY what he's doing whenever he posts a story about an interview that Mick's done. |
Pretty sure he only posts the abuse and ahem threads to stir the pot too |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 13:43 - Aug 26 with 1335 views | uefacup81 |
Two things just seem a little odd to me, if HM's version of events is to be believed.
1) If everything went down as alleged, then why has he not filed a counter-claim for wrongful arrest/assault etc., He's got one of Greece's top Human Rights lawyers on his side, so surely it's not the toughest thing in the world to do?
2) The claim about the Albanians seems to have almost too much detail in it. I like to consider myself fairly learned, but I couldn't identify an Albanian by sight, or tell you what the Albanian language sounds like, and I think it's highly unlikely that the alleged gents in question were holding big signs saying 'I'm an Albanian'. |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 13:47 - Aug 26 with 1319 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 13:43 - Aug 26 by uefacup81 |
Two things just seem a little odd to me, if HM's version of events is to be believed.
1) If everything went down as alleged, then why has he not filed a counter-claim for wrongful arrest/assault etc., He's got one of Greece's top Human Rights lawyers on his side, so surely it's not the toughest thing in the world to do?
2) The claim about the Albanians seems to have almost too much detail in it. I like to consider myself fairly learned, but I couldn't identify an Albanian by sight, or tell you what the Albanian language sounds like, and I think it's highly unlikely that the alleged gents in question were holding big signs saying 'I'm an Albanian'. |
Apparently he hired Liam Neeson's character in Taken to follow them for a bit before deciding they were definitely Albanians. | |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 15:25 - Aug 26 with 1239 views | Radlett_blue |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 11:30 - Aug 26 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
I don't wish to speculate on whether Maguire or the Police are telling the truth about what happened.
QUOTE 'I don't wish to speculate on whether his version of that of the Police seems more credible'. Maybe try to read the whole sentence right to the end.
The rest of the post is simply pointing out that certain justice systems seem to allow no time for the accused to reasonably defend themselves before they are accused, including the Greek system which is regular accused of being corrupt in the media and elsewhere.
This doesn't mean that Harry Maguire is or isn't guilty or the Police have or have not lied. I haven't speculated on that because I don't know.
The Greek justice system is entirely separate and hasn't changed based on this incident. It's merely an observation itself which I'd hope you'd be intelligent enough to have been able to work out. You're either dim or trolling. Neither is a good look. [Post edited 26 Aug 2020 11:32]
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I personally like the idea of fast track justice, rather like in Back to the Future II, where they had abolished lawyers.
Hear the evidence, establish the facts & do justice, one way or the other. Especially in a misdemeanour like this. Very different from a serious case such as murder.
Sometimes these cases drag on for months, allowing those with access to expensive lawyers to bring in all sorts of technicalities & irrelevancies. |  |
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| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 18:32 - Aug 26 with 1134 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| None of us know what really happened with Harry Maguire on 15:25 - Aug 26 by Radlett_blue |
I personally like the idea of fast track justice, rather like in Back to the Future II, where they had abolished lawyers.
Hear the evidence, establish the facts & do justice, one way or the other. Especially in a misdemeanour like this. Very different from a serious case such as murder.
Sometimes these cases drag on for months, allowing those with access to expensive lawyers to bring in all sorts of technicalities & irrelevancies. |
So exactly what I was saying.
Maguire is now deemed INNOCENT.
Sentence quashed and retrial.
So that means that yesterday was deemed a complete farce or unsafe which makes a whole mockery of it. Either they conviction was sound and should stand or it should never have been given.
Which begs the question of how many people who aren’t millionaires with access to the best lawyers possible can’t get similarly ridiculously fast tracked guilty verdicts thrown out. | |
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