| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? 14:27 - Sep 1 with 5843 views | BrixtonBlue |
Because let's be honest, Lambert isn't the main problem. Manager after manager has struggled to get a decent tune, let alone any success, out of the sh!tshow he's been left by the previous incumbent.
I can't be too pissed off with Evans either. I've agreed with every managerial appointment at the time, and why we all want him to put in more money to sign better players, he is keeping us going and has put more money into the club than anyone else in history.
So what actually needs to change?
Well the football climate has changed, money-wise. But there's something to be said for having not only knowledgable football people running the club, but people with a deep care for the club. A care like us fans have.
So it seems to me, we need the following;
1. A very rich person or consortium to take the reins off Evans and pump more cash in than he can.
2. Proper football people to come back and run things, like the Cobbolds did. If part 1 was realised I'd bring Sheepshanks back. Yes he made mistakes, but he knows football, knows and loves the club. This might include getting someone like Burley back... or giving Dyer a chance. People who bleed blue. Because they're obviously going to give more than the next hopeful on the managerial conveyor belt. I hear that Lambert doesn't really have relationships with the players. That's like the opposite of Sir Bobby, and may be why it hasn't worked with most of the managers in the Evans era. When we've worked well it's been when people involved in the club are people who love it. Otherwise we're just A.N.Other FC.
3. I think Jim Magilton was onto something when he made that dossier about The Ipswich Way. We've lost that, lost what made Ipswich 'Ipswich.' Those values gave us an edge, to punch above our weight. Mick McCarthy is the best manager we've had in 20 years - and that says it all. His football (and I'm not really knocking him because he did the best he could with the tools he was given) was not the Ipswich way.
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:06 - Sep 1 with 718 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 19:43 - Sep 1 by J4ck22 |
While I would blame Hurst more, Lambert's definitely contributed a good chunk to it. We were pretty stable under Mick for the preceding 5 or so years. |
CONTRIBUTED! Thank you. It's utterly ridiculous to suggest that Lambert has been a MAJOR part of the demise of ITFC. He hasn't had 2 full seasons. We've been fecked for way longer than that.
This isn't even a post in support of Lambert. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:16 - Sep 1 with 699 views | Herbivore |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:06 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
CONTRIBUTED! Thank you. It's utterly ridiculous to suggest that Lambert has been a MAJOR part of the demise of ITFC. He hasn't had 2 full seasons. We've been fecked for way longer than that.
This isn't even a post in support of Lambert. |
First season - finished bottom of the Championship.
Second season - finished 11th in League 1
He's definitely overseen the sharpest and most dramatic demise over that 20 year period. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:24 - Sep 1 with 680 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:16 - Sep 1 by Herbivore |
First season - finished bottom of the Championship.
Second season - finished 11th in League 1
He's definitely overseen the sharpest and most dramatic demise over that 20 year period. |
Utter removal of context.
Have you been present for the last 20 years? I'm not saying Lambert hasn't done a crap job, but to suggest he's the major reason we are where we are is ridiculous.
We're in 'shoot the messenger' territory with you aren't we? Brainless. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:35 - Sep 1 with 669 views | Herbivore |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:24 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Utter removal of context.
Have you been present for the last 20 years? I'm not saying Lambert hasn't done a crap job, but to suggest he's the major reason we are where we are is ridiculous.
We're in 'shoot the messenger' territory with you aren't we? Brainless. |
Yes, I've been present for the last 20 years.
Are you denying that in seeing us finish bottom of the Championship and 11th in League 1 he has overseen the steepest and most dramatic period of our demise? Major assist for Hurst of course, the both of them did their part. I think it's pretty unquestionable to be honest that going from 12th in the Championship to 11th in League 1 in a little under 2 years is comfortably a steeper decline than we'd experienced in the preceeding decade or decades.
And there's no need to be so rude, Dollers. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 00:02 - Sep 2 with 624 views | SenatorBlue |
The root issue for the longer decline is that we don’t have a structure. ME holds the purse and all decision making, the manager has pretty much free reign to do what they want to (need to) on the football side, regardless of the stated ethos. ME can have his chats to reinforce the trust in youth and play an attractive brand of football requirement, but only has the “sack” stick available to enforce it, and PL (as others did) will turn to trusted pros in their hour of need.
Ultimately ME’s heart is well placed, but he needs within the club an experienced in football CEO, who is empowered with meeting the budget, developing and enforcing the stated ethos, and making all hiring and firing decisions to deliver upon these. ME shows no inclination of handing the reigns and his money over to anyone other than ME (who blames him!), so we’re stuck with what we have.
In the immediate, a decent manager can overcome the lack of the aforementioned. Plenty of examples of this. We just simply have to be promoted this season - we’re stranded and straight jacketed to non-league finances if we fail. Our L1 competitors feel the same, and are investing. It’s an absolute survival scramble to the Championship (now EPL 2 given the cap disparity). PL has to get off to a flyer (again) given his record to date, and any sign of a false start or a sustained dip ala 2019/20 and surely ME has no option other than his rapid removal. Just praying PL is keeping his powder dry, letting others make all the noise, and delivers a blinder.
It really is do or die this season. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 0:04]
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 00:57 - Sep 2 with 605 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 22:24 - Sep 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Utter removal of context.
Have you been present for the last 20 years? I'm not saying Lambert hasn't done a crap job, but to suggest he's the major reason we are where we are is ridiculous.
We're in 'shoot the messenger' territory with you aren't we? Brainless. |
Bored and can't sleep so I thought I'd have a look at this from a league place perspective over the last 20 years... full time managers only. Number of league places gained/-lost from when they took over to where we were after their last game.
Royle +2 (17th to 15th) Highest finish = 3rd
Magilton +6 (15th to 9th) Highest finish = 8th
Keane -10 (9th to 19th) Highest finish = 8th
Jewel -5 (19th to 24th) Highest finish = 13th
McCarthy +12 (24th to 12th) Highest finish = 6th
Hurst -12 (12th to 24th) Highest finish = N/A
Lambert -11 (24th to 11th in L1) Highest finish = 24th
Hurst reversed all of Mick's good work in the space of 14 games. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 0:59]
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 08:43 - Sep 2 with 496 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Tbe most straightforwad solution would be to invent time travel and nip back to the year 2000 and change the locks on the chairman's office whilst he was off gladhanding at the FA,
And then do the same with the manager's office whilst he was off scouting John Scales. |  |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 09:02 - Sep 2 with 492 views | Herbivore |
| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 00:57 - Sep 2 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
Bored and can't sleep so I thought I'd have a look at this from a league place perspective over the last 20 years... full time managers only. Number of league places gained/-lost from when they took over to where we were after their last game.
Royle +2 (17th to 15th) Highest finish = 3rd
Magilton +6 (15th to 9th) Highest finish = 8th
Keane -10 (9th to 19th) Highest finish = 8th
Jewel -5 (19th to 24th) Highest finish = 13th
McCarthy +12 (24th to 12th) Highest finish = 6th
Hurst -12 (12th to 24th) Highest finish = N/A
Lambert -11 (24th to 11th in L1) Highest finish = 24th
Hurst reversed all of Mick's good work in the space of 14 games. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 0:59]
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That overall plummet under Hurst and Lambert of 23 places - a whole division - in just 2 years has killed us. Mick left a decent squad that had just finished alongside Leeds and Norwich. Going from there to where we are now is the big decline. | |
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| How do we ultimately fix ITFC? on 10:40 - Sep 2 with 468 views | Radlett_blue |
1. I thought both Jewell & Lambert were lousy appointments at the time they were made.
2. The Cobbolds weren't "proper football people" in the slightest. They let the Town manager at the time get on with the job & wrote him a cheque when he asked for it.
3. There is no "Ipswich way", just the same as there is no "West Ham way" (or insert any other club you like).
Evans initially tried the Cobbold model of letting Keane get on with it, but after he wasted so much money, Evans became super wary. He's clearly not adept at picking managers - one good one & 4 duds is a 20% win ratio so if he could, I guess he'd fire himself. The format for getting out of this league is to find a decent manager & give him as much money as you are allowed, but finding a good one is hard. Sheffield United went through 5 managers in 3 years before they lucked out with the unheralded Chris Wilder. We won't get anywhere with Lambert & we can only hope Evans makes a lucky choice. |  |
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