| Hull must be rubbish! 12:09 - Nov 23 with 4980 views | N2_Blue |
It seems according to our so called supporters apparently you are rubbish if you can't beat top 8 teams.
Hull have not beaten a team in the top 9, and have lost to Peterboro and Fleetwood.
We've beaten the team in 8th at least
(edited to pick up error pointed out by Homer) [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:14]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:42 - Nov 23 with 1881 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:21 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
What a bizarre response. I'm not expecting them to roll over, but I am expecting us to be good enough to pick up at least a point from 270 minutes of football against the likes of Lincoln, Doncaster and Sunderland. If you view those games as ones in which we aren't good enough to expect to pick up even one point across the three games then you're entitled to that view, but it's an overly pessimistic analysis imo. |
Or possibly a trait of poor judgement on your behalf of what and where this squad actually is  |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:48 - Nov 23 with 1875 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:42 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Or possibly a trait of poor judgement on your behalf of what and where this squad actually is |
Nope. It's basically you and Chrisd that think our squad is midtable quality, and Chrisd is a good guy but his football opinions are a bit 'whacky' at the best of times. |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:52 - Nov 23 with 1868 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:48 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Nope. It's basically you and Chrisd that think our squad is midtable quality, and Chrisd is a good guy but his football opinions are a bit 'whacky' at the best of times. |
The table doesn't tend to lie over the course of a season.
11th. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:09 - Nov 23 with 1861 views | BlueBadger |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 12:18 - Nov 23 by N2_Blue |
Sorry Dan, but i'm fed up with the over the top negativeity...so no 'not enough of this'!
Plenty of supporters are using this type of stat to beat us with and it's unnecessary. Beating the top teams away is always a tall order but you need to at home admittedly. Just how many top 8 teams have we played at home? You can only beat what is put in front of you and we've done that to the max at home. |
It's 'over the top' because the manager has literally no credit in the bank after a feeble relegation, spectacular failure and a load of PR guff over the past two years. |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:14 - Nov 23 with 1851 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 13:52 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
The table doesn't tend to lie over the course of a season.
11th. |
A measure of how awful the manager is at his job rather than the quality in the squad. That you can't see that shows how little you know about football. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:19 - Nov 23 with 1837 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 12:40 - Nov 23 by N2_Blue |
I don't know is my answer but i'm optimistic that we can do well against them at home at least. Hull won't put 11 men behind ball like Shrews which will help us.
Play like we did against Sunderland or Blackpool and I think we'll win...I've predicted 2-1 Town v Hull.
I'm not happy with out performances generally or Lambert conducts himself and injuries are seriously hurting us. But i see as much reason as to why we will win tomorrow night as to why we won't.
*And appreciate you trying to see my point even if you don't fully agree. I just think the negativity is over the top...and I'm no Lambert fan (i'd like Paul Cook) |
I'd like Paul Cook too.
It's a wind up, he is sat there waiting for a job whilst we have that clown Lambert cocking things up here with a squad that should go up.
I await the announcement of Cook going to another side, around a week before we finally let Lambert go. It'll be typical Ipswich. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:51]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:22 - Nov 23 with 1828 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:14 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
A measure of how awful the manager is at his job rather than the quality in the squad. That you can't see that shows how little you know about football. |
As I say, supported by your post here. A sense of poor judgement from yourself here on the squad quality.
Lambert had a stinker, the players likewise.
*you know you've got them by the short and curlies when they rephrase and respond with what you have just said to them. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:24]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:29 - Nov 23 with 1819 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:22 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
As I say, supported by your post here. A sense of poor judgement from yourself here on the squad quality.
Lambert had a stinker, the players likewise.
*you know you've got them by the short and curlies when they rephrase and respond with what you have just said to them. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:24]
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Nope. If you think we're a midtable quality side and that Lambert had a stinker, why did we only finish midtable? If you really think the squad is a midtable League 1 squad then you should think Lambert's performance last season was pretty much par rather than a stinker. If you think he had a stinker then you must think the squad was well capable of doing better than finishing in midtable. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:34 - Nov 23 with 1814 views | bluefunk |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 12:26 - Nov 23 by homer_123 |
Here's the thing - ref'ring decisions have no bearing on 'how' we play. Yes, they do affect results (that's football) but they have no affect on ability to our pass a ball, make a tackle, press etc etc etc [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:35]
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But there is a point that consistently poor referring decisions, which go against you at crucial times, begins to affect your mindset as a player? No matter how skilful or how well drilled you are, players at all levels do get affected by referring decisions that change the course of a game |  | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:49 - Nov 23 with 1801 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:29 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Nope. If you think we're a midtable quality side and that Lambert had a stinker, why did we only finish midtable? If you really think the squad is a midtable League 1 squad then you should think Lambert's performance last season was pretty much par rather than a stinker. If you think he had a stinker then you must think the squad was well capable of doing better than finishing in midtable. |
I suppose you are right actually. I mean we aren't going to dent the play-offs anytime soon, but we could finish 8th/9th, which would probably be 'par'.
So no, stinker is to storng, just slightly underperformed is better. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:13]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:56 - Nov 23 with 1793 views | jayessess |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:49 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I suppose you are right actually. I mean we aren't going to dent the play-offs anytime soon, but we could finish 8th/9th, which would probably be 'par'.
So no, stinker is to storng, just slightly underperformed is better. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:13]
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Top 2 budget, I just don't get how 8th/9th would've been par, I really don't. There can't have been another club in League One where the gap between the money spent and the outcome can have been as great.
If our players aren't top 2 quality, then the squad he assembled is bad value for money.
If our players are top 2 quality, then his coaching and tactics are bad value for money. |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:04 - Nov 23 with 1789 views | itfcjoe |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:19 - Nov 23 by OsborneOneNil |
I'd like Paul Cook too.
It's a wind up, he is sat there waiting for a job whilst we have that clown Lambert cocking things up here with a squad that should go up.
I await the announcement of Cook going to another side, around a week before we finally let Lambert go. It'll be typical Ipswich. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:51]
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I think Danny Cowley is the one.....I just have a funny feeling Paul Cook here wouldn't be the right man
When he's appointed at Sunderland just before Lambert gets the boot we won't get a chance to find out! |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:07 - Nov 23 with 1781 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 14:56 - Nov 23 by jayessess |
Top 2 budget, I just don't get how 8th/9th would've been par, I really don't. There can't have been another club in League One where the gap between the money spent and the outcome can have been as great.
If our players aren't top 2 quality, then the squad he assembled is bad value for money.
If our players are top 2 quality, then his coaching and tactics are bad value for money. |
I think we know that we haven't got good value for money.
That is more a problem that we over pay on wages for what we get in return.
Joey Barton was bang on when he said 'Probably as Bad as a Group of Players as Ipswich Have Had in a Long Time'.
He talks in that article of them offering a player £2500-£3000 a week to player and Town coming along and throwing £8000-£10000 at the player. We know who that player is, and it kind of shows the inflated wages we are paying. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:10]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:15 - Nov 23 with 1768 views | jayessess |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:07 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I think we know that we haven't got good value for money.
That is more a problem that we over pay on wages for what we get in return.
Joey Barton was bang on when he said 'Probably as Bad as a Group of Players as Ipswich Have Had in a Long Time'.
He talks in that article of them offering a player £2500-£3000 a week to player and Town coming along and throwing £8000-£10000 at the player. We know who that player is, and it kind of shows the inflated wages we are paying. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:10]
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Right, but how is that Lambert creating the 11th best squad in the league with the 2nd biggest budget just "slightly below par"? I don't get it. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:22 - Nov 23 with 1756 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:15 - Nov 23 by jayessess |
Right, but how is that Lambert creating the 11th best squad in the league with the 2nd biggest budget just "slightly below par"? I don't get it. |
This is my point, we've spent our wage bill very poorly, on poor footballers for wat they are paid in comaprision to the rest of the league. That is poor judgement, from Evans, the recruitment team, Lambert whoever it may be.
But it won't take away the fact they are not as good as what there wages may reflect.
As I said, average midtable is harsh, we are an 8th/9th placed team in this league, so finishing 11th is slightly underperforming. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:22 - Nov 23 with 1751 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:12 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I suppose the only valid judgement test will be on 08/05/2021.
And I'm praying to be proved wrong, hoping the players can step up to the bigger games over the next 7 matches. I suspect they won't. I suspect our position won't be far from 8th/9th.
Happy to eat my own words on the group players should they deliver. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:13]
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Depends how long Lambert is allowed to remain in post and hold us back I guess. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:23 - Nov 23 with 1750 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:22 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
This is my point, we've spent our wage bill very poorly, on poor footballers for wat they are paid in comaprision to the rest of the league. That is poor judgement, from Evans, the recruitment team, Lambert whoever it may be.
But it won't take away the fact they are not as good as what there wages may reflect.
As I said, average midtable is harsh, we are an 8th/9th placed team in this league, so finishing 11th is slightly underperforming. |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:29 - Nov 23 with 1728 views | jayessess |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 15:22 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
This is my point, we've spent our wage bill very poorly, on poor footballers for wat they are paid in comaprision to the rest of the league. That is poor judgement, from Evans, the recruitment team, Lambert whoever it may be.
But it won't take away the fact they are not as good as what there wages may reflect.
As I said, average midtable is harsh, we are an 8th/9th placed team in this league, so finishing 11th is slightly underperforming. |
Slightly underperforming *if* you largely absolve the first team manager of responsibility for the players we recruit? Radically underperforming if you don't. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 15:48]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 16:36 - Nov 23 with 1698 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 12:21 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Is it really asking a lot to take at least one point from away games at Lincoln, Doncaster, and Sunderland? Standards really have lowered. |
Don't want to say this, but if feels like people don't realise we're a L1 side for a reason. Yesterday it may have felt like we were competing alongside bigger names of Liverpool, United, Chelsea etc and even holding our own within the Championship.
But like it or not, we're a L1 side. It's not "lowering our standards", like it or not. But the reality we are on a L1 playing field because that's the reality of how good we are (or are not) currently. |  | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:03 - Nov 23 with 1683 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 16:36 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
Don't want to say this, but if feels like people don't realise we're a L1 side for a reason. Yesterday it may have felt like we were competing alongside bigger names of Liverpool, United, Chelsea etc and even holding our own within the Championship.
But like it or not, we're a L1 side. It's not "lowering our standards", like it or not. But the reality we are on a L1 playing field because that's the reality of how good we are (or are not) currently. |
So how is it that every other relegated side over the last 3 years, with the exception of Bolton, has managed to do better than us at this level? 5 of the other 8 of them went back up at the first attempt, Sunderland made the play offs and narrowly missed out on automatic promotion.
Why is it too much to ask for us to think that we should also be challenging for promotion and able to compete with the best sides in the division? We came down in a much better and more stable place than many of the relegated sides that outperformed us. We then added to our squad rather than losing key players. Sorry, but the whole "we're in League 1 now so we're a League 1 side" argument is disingenuous. We should be a League 1 side pushing very hard to get out of League 1 and capable of beating all the other sides at this level. That we're not is a failure of management. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:13 - Nov 23 with 1678 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:03 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
So how is it that every other relegated side over the last 3 years, with the exception of Bolton, has managed to do better than us at this level? 5 of the other 8 of them went back up at the first attempt, Sunderland made the play offs and narrowly missed out on automatic promotion.
Why is it too much to ask for us to think that we should also be challenging for promotion and able to compete with the best sides in the division? We came down in a much better and more stable place than many of the relegated sides that outperformed us. We then added to our squad rather than losing key players. Sorry, but the whole "we're in League 1 now so we're a League 1 side" argument is disingenuous. We should be a League 1 side pushing very hard to get out of League 1 and capable of beating all the other sides at this level. That we're not is a failure of management. |
You're quoting us on just ONE season, and a season that was not properly concluded. In the second season, we are currently 3rd.
Yes, I would like to be storming the league and looking like a top team. But ultimately we are 3rd. We perhaps haven't picked up the wins around the upper teams in the League, but we are still 3rd and plenty of possibility to win the return fixture.
But we never completed last season by playing 46 games so who knows what may or may not have happened. Sunderland have been here for their third season now. And quite a few ex-Prem/Championship sides were stuck here for a while. Looks at Leeds, Sheff Utd, QPR as examples. They didn't bounce straight back. | | | |
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