| Sacked/Paid Off 10:28 - Feb 17 with 946 views | Wallingford_Boy |
So if you are on a contract in any other profession and you are sacked, for being incompetent basically. Thats it, your contract is terminated and you are not "paid off" for the remainder.
If its mutual consent, then fair enough, you come to an agreement.
But a sacking is a sacking.
Other than in football management it seems.
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:33 - Feb 17 with 896 views | jayessess |
Not really?
In a normal job you can't be sacked for "incompetence" on the boss' say so. You'd have to be dismissed in accordance with a fair, multi-stage, disciplinary procedure. [Post edited 17 Feb 2021 10:38]
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:34 - Feb 17 with 885 views | bluefunk |
It’s not an employment contract like the real world, it’s a contract for a specified term with a specified sum. If it’s terminated then that sum must be paid, unless there’s clauses within the contract, the break clause. He would have to be sacked for some breach of that contract to avoid a pay off and sadly incompetence isn’t a breach |  | | |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:38 - Feb 17 with 838 views | hype313 |
But how many of us sign 5 year contracts with our employers? It's essentially a month either way, sometimes 3. |  |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:41 - Feb 17 with 805 views | jayessess |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:38 - Feb 17 by hype313 |
But how many of us sign 5 year contracts with our employers? It's essentially a month either way, sometimes 3. |
In permanent, directly-employed posts (getting rarer, but still the most common form of employment), most people sign open-ended contracts. | |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:47 - Feb 17 with 732 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:33 - Feb 17 by jayessess |
Not really?
In a normal job you can't be sacked for "incompetence" on the boss' say so. You'd have to be dismissed in accordance with a fair, multi-stage, disciplinary procedure. [Post edited 17 Feb 2021 10:38]
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And they often involve severance or exit packages too. I don't think the principle is that unusual, it's the size of the salaries that make it seem obscene. Managers can get a multi-million pound payoff for failing. You often hear of top execs getting substantial payoffs too. |  |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:48 - Feb 17 with 731 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:33 - Feb 17 by jayessess |
Not really?
In a normal job you can't be sacked for "incompetence" on the boss' say so. You'd have to be dismissed in accordance with a fair, multi-stage, disciplinary procedure. [Post edited 17 Feb 2021 10:38]
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If a football manager is sacked, for whatever reason, its should be termination of contract, no compensation. If the manager thinks its unfair, then take your employer to a tribunal or whatever.
If its mutual consent, then compensation is paid.
If the manager resigns, no compensation is paid.
I know thats a very simplistic way of looking at it, but I'm sure thats how it used to be! | |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:53 - Feb 17 with 690 views | Guthrum |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:48 - Feb 17 by Wallingford_Boy |
If a football manager is sacked, for whatever reason, its should be termination of contract, no compensation. If the manager thinks its unfair, then take your employer to a tribunal or whatever.
If its mutual consent, then compensation is paid.
If the manager resigns, no compensation is paid.
I know thats a very simplistic way of looking at it, but I'm sure thats how it used to be! |
I doubt any tribunal would rule in favour of the club under those circumstances. They'd have essentially broken the contract, unilaterally.
Unless specific and clear metrics of success are written in (and there will be a limit to what a halfway decent managerial candidate would be prepared to accept), reasons for sacking are essentially a matter of opinion, however bad things appear on the pitch. The manager can always turn around and find excuses. And they will get the benefit of the doubt.
Which is why "mutual consent" is so common. |  |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 11:18 - Feb 17 with 625 views | jayessess |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 10:48 - Feb 17 by Wallingford_Boy |
If a football manager is sacked, for whatever reason, its should be termination of contract, no compensation. If the manager thinks its unfair, then take your employer to a tribunal or whatever.
If its mutual consent, then compensation is paid.
If the manager resigns, no compensation is paid.
I know thats a very simplistic way of looking at it, but I'm sure thats how it used to be! |
Like Paul Lambert, I'm on a fixed term contract. It has stipulations in about what happens if my employers end it early. If they breach those stipulations, because my salary is modest I go to the Industrial Tribunal, win my case, get compensated for the breach.
Lambert's contract will also have stipulations about what happens if his contract is ended early. If the club breaches them, because Industrial Tribunal awards are capped and his salary is very large, he will take them to the High Court and win his compensation that way.
Going to the High Court to fight a case they'll lose is expensive. So the club isn't going to do that. They're going to meet the obligations stated in the contract. | |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 11:25 - Feb 17 with 612 views | BryanPlug |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 11:33 - Feb 17 with 569 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Sacked/Paid Off on 11:25 - Feb 17 by BryanPlug |
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| Sacked/Paid Off on 11:54 - Feb 17 with 524 views | HARRY10 |
One myth being constantly is the contract break.
What manager in his right mind would sign up to that, given how much is out if his control.
The norm is that managers have bonus payments written into their contracts.
However the danger there is that the manager then becomes solely focussed on short term success at the cost of long term development - something I would venture we have previously suffered from .... repeatedly |  | | |
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