| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... 13:12 - Feb 21 with 3006 views | itfcjoe |
....we were pretty rubbish in his final season when the goal was promotion. We were always a few places and points from where we needed to be, always needing a 'run of wins' but never looking remotely like we would get one
And Evans strung that out until it was mathematically impossible, despite further backing right up to the end with a loanee like Giovani.
There is talk, and I include myself in this, that it's just the 5 year deal, and waiting for non-promotion clauses to kick in, but feels like Evans has form for letting the season completely fail before acting as a sense of duty to the manager so they can have no complaints maybe?
Things need to get into a completely hopeless position before he will act, maybe not necessarily mathematically impossible as some suspect, but beyond the point of realistic contention. He doesn't try to save the season, he lets it go as long as he can.
I know Jim is a legend here, but his final season really wasn't very good - as evidenced by the fact that despite beating Norwich, and then Keane winning the final 2 games we finished outside of the play offs by 8 points. We were absolutely miles off competing
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:21 - Feb 21 with 700 views | gazzer1999 |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:16 - Feb 21 by SamWhiteUK |
Nearly any competent manager could have got automatic promotion with this squad, the fact we're now talking about the play offs as a goal is embarrassing |
That's all if's and maybe's, we will never know. Evans might be happy in this division for a year or two as it costs less to run. Hurst sold the goalscorer's we had. Just like under Royle we lost Bent, Kuqi, and Miller they scored all the goals once they were gone Royle knew the writing was on the wall. |  | | |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:35 - Feb 21 with 679 views | lazyblue |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 13:59 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
You say the swaud is overrated - but just look at the players not even in the 18 yesterday
Edwards
Nolan
Jackson
Skuse
Huws
Hawkins
Woolfenden
McGuinness
Thomas
Ward
Lankester
Downes
Vincent-Young
It's ridiculous the players we have here, it's not about a divine right to be in the top 2 - but we have the resources and the squad to be fighting at the top of this league.....not to be pleased with being 'there or thereabouts' for a play off place |
In that list of players how many games have actually been missed due to injuries or suspensions, answer is bloody loads! |  | | |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:36 - Feb 21 with 680 views | BlueyandCrazy |
Whilst its easy to look back with rose-tinted specs; Jim did deserve more time, particularly when you consider how patient Evans has been with others.
Under Jim we were playing an attractive style, which Evans hankers after now, and whilst we were a bit short that last season, it hadn't got to the situation where Jim couldn't have turned it around (unlike Lambert now - nowhere near that stage)
What counted against Jim was that;
- he wasn't Evans man (was chosen by Sheepy)
- he'd fallen out with the press/Eadt editor/sports writer had an issue with him
- he'd not been able to embed the expensive signings in
Going back over the past 40 years since Robson left, arguably only Jim's departure (not counting Lyall changing roles) can be considered premature. [Post edited 21 Feb 2021 14:38]
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 15:10 - Feb 21 with 621 views | Illinoisblue |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:04 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
Yeah, I've not really spoken about clauses there - i think it is pride, or a loyalty to a manager to exhaust every possible excuse if that makes sense |
If the argument is Evans wanting to give his managers as much time as possible to really prove they’re useless, then no it doesn’t make sense. Although does help explain the situation we’re in.
* this rule didn’t apply to Hurst. |  |
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 16:17 - Feb 21 with 586 views | Trequartista |
It was the first season where you could say he underachieved, having taken us from a penniless team Royle had given up on, to the play-offs area when Marcus took over - he deserved another season. [Post edited 21 Feb 2021 16:18]
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 16:55 - Feb 21 with 558 views | borge |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:36 - Feb 21 by BlueyandCrazy |
Whilst its easy to look back with rose-tinted specs; Jim did deserve more time, particularly when you consider how patient Evans has been with others.
Under Jim we were playing an attractive style, which Evans hankers after now, and whilst we were a bit short that last season, it hadn't got to the situation where Jim couldn't have turned it around (unlike Lambert now - nowhere near that stage)
What counted against Jim was that;
- he wasn't Evans man (was chosen by Sheepy)
- he'd fallen out with the press/Eadt editor/sports writer had an issue with him
- he'd not been able to embed the expensive signings in
Going back over the past 40 years since Robson left, arguably only Jim's departure (not counting Lyall changing roles) can be considered premature. [Post edited 21 Feb 2021 14:38]
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No, we really weren't playing an attractive style. Attractive relative to what has been played since, but nowhere near as good to watch as the football that was played under Burley and Royle. That's what always puzzled me about Jim as a manager; such a cultured player playing in teams that played beautiful football and yet seemingly unwilling or unable to translate that into his own managerial philosophy. | | | |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 17:08 - Feb 21 with 531 views | BryanPlug |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:18 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
As Jimmy Walker said - if we can't even get in the top 4 we may as well 'pack it in' |
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 17:31 - Feb 21 with 503 views | patrickswell |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 14:16 - Feb 21 by BlueLikeJazz |
No you're right, our home form was just fine, but our away form was TRULY terrible - our first away win was in April against Sheff Weds if I remember rightly. I think if it had been the other way round and we hand't won a home game till then, there'd have been people calling for his head a lot sooner... |
The extremes of form came in Jim’s second season rather than his third. In that second season, we took 35 points from a possible 39 across the first 13 home games but only 4 points from the same number of away games, including 2 drawn games where we let 2 goal leads slip. We missed out on the top 6 and arguably automatic promotion as 80 points would have been enough that year, due to only winning 4 of our last 10 home games. We got harder to beat away from home with only 3 losses after 29 December, but drew too many matches over the second half of the season.
In his final season, we never got a run of wins together and with greater outlay of money having been spent (he’d also had the January 2008 transfer window and failed to get us into the Top 6), he was always up against it. For all that, only 1 of the subsequent 5 managers has really got us anywhere near the levels that Jim’s sides reached. |  | | |
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| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 17:35 - Feb 21 with 491 views | Funge |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 13:59 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
You say the swaud is overrated - but just look at the players not even in the 18 yesterday
Edwards
Nolan
Jackson
Skuse
Huws
Hawkins
Woolfenden
McGuinness
Thomas
Ward
Lankester
Downes
Vincent-Young
It's ridiculous the players we have here, it's not about a divine right to be in the top 2 - but we have the resources and the squad to be fighting at the top of this league.....not to be pleased with being 'there or thereabouts' for a play off place |
Thats astonishing, to see it like that.
Astonishing.
That's a first team that any remotely competent manager would have in the top 6 - and they're not even in the 18. (Yes, I know it needs a keeper)
Look at that, Evans, you dunce, and tell me this joke of a manager is anything other than a failure. |  | | |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 17:46 - Feb 21 with 473 views | Steve_M |
| Under Magilton, despite people looking back with rose-tinted specs..... on 17:31 - Feb 21 by patrickswell |
The extremes of form came in Jim’s second season rather than his third. In that second season, we took 35 points from a possible 39 across the first 13 home games but only 4 points from the same number of away games, including 2 drawn games where we let 2 goal leads slip. We missed out on the top 6 and arguably automatic promotion as 80 points would have been enough that year, due to only winning 4 of our last 10 home games. We got harder to beat away from home with only 3 losses after 29 December, but drew too many matches over the second half of the season.
In his final season, we never got a run of wins together and with greater outlay of money having been spent (he’d also had the January 2008 transfer window and failed to get us into the Top 6), he was always up against it. For all that, only 1 of the subsequent 5 managers has really got us anywhere near the levels that Jim’s sides reached. |
The money upset what Magilton had been trying to do, despite some other comments here we players some really good football under him - that home run in 2007 you mention was fun. We were a bit unfortunate away from home and the media made a big thing out of it very quickly.
Then he got to spend money, started stockpiling central midfielders and lost the fluency and coherence of the squad. We were perhaps more effective away in 2008-09 as a result but lost the good stuff at home. |  |
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