| Well somebody had to say it 12:54 - Mar 14 with 6333 views | GlasgowBlue |
It seems bizarre that after being one of the more cautious home nation leader's during the pandemic that she should suddenly speed up winding down the restrictions faster than in England, despite having a higher infection rate and an increase week on week in infections.
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| Well somebody had to say it on 19:30 - Mar 16 with 868 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 15:46 - Mar 14 by WeWereZombies |
Today - new cases 484, 7 day average 579.1, new deaths 2, 7 day average 12.7
A month ago - new cases 903, 7 day average 860.6, new deaths 4, 7 day average 39.6
Today: Percentage of tests positive 3.3%, 7 day average 3.3%
A month ago: Percentage of tests positive 7.3%, 7 day average 5.5%
Today: Percentage of Scottish population with first jab 34.6%, second jab 2.9%
A month ago: Percentage of Scottish population with first jab 22.4%, second jab 0.3%
Today: 'R' rate in the range 0.6 - 0.8
A month ago: 'R' rate in the range 0.7- 0.9
Holyrood give me the impression of being cautiously optimistic about getting back to something like normal, as a population I think we desperately need both that hope and some cautious moves towards it as a signal of affirmation; and finally, I do not think the First Minister has been that slow about re-introducing lock down measures, if necessary, so far. [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 15:48]
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| Well somebody had to say it on 19:36 - Mar 16 with 850 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:30 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
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Oh what tangled webs we weave
When we practise to deceive |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 19:43 - Mar 16 with 836 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:36 - Mar 16 by Darth_Koont |
Oh what tangled webs we weave
When we practise to deceive |
Are you disputing those figures Koonters? | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 19:44 - Mar 16 with 828 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:43 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you disputing those figures Koonters? |
I’m disputing you.
Match is on. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 21:58 - Mar 16 with 791 views | WeWereZombies |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:30 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
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Are you happy with the provenance of that lot, Glassers? I can see a Twitter account when I Google it but nothing more. Nothing on Wikipedia to say who is behind it. I'll stick with the official figures if you don't mind... |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 23:27 - Mar 16 with 783 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 21:58 - Mar 16 by WeWereZombies |
Are you happy with the provenance of that lot, Glassers? I can see a Twitter account when I Google it but nothing more. Nothing on Wikipedia to say who is behind it. I'll stick with the official figures if you don't mind... |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 00:28 - Mar 17 with 767 views | WeWereZombies |
| Well somebody had to say it on 23:27 - Mar 16 by GlasgowBlue |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 00:41 - Mar 17 with 763 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Well somebody had to say it on 15:56 - Mar 14 by giant_stow |
In fairness to you, it is indeed interesting how Sturgeon and the Scotish govt seem to be able to skip over criticism of this sort. |
They don't. The Scottish Tories have a very competent leader, and the Scottish Labour Party have a more effective machine than in England, partly because the system of Proportional Representation used in the Scottish Parliament, and the way it functions, give them more seats than a similar percentage vote would gain them in the House of Commons, and therefore more full-time politicians holding the SNP to account.
Oh, and the Press is much more divided in its opinion of the SNP then the English press is towards the Tories.
But generally people in Scotland acknowledge that Sturgeon has done a better job of leading a nation during a time of stress, danger and grief than Johnson has. I know extremely strong pro-union Labour and Conservative voters here who will openly say that she has done a good job. |  | | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 00:57 - Mar 17 with 751 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:07 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
My wife and I were able to visit her mother earlier this morning, spending time in her garden. If we lived in England we couldn't 't do that until 29 March.
I can go back to my local exercise group tomorrow if I want. I couldn't do that in England until 29 March.
I could have joined 49 other God botherers in communal worship at the local church this morning of I was so inclined. Again, I wouldn't be able to do that if I lived in England.
I honestly cant see how you are holding this line that Scotland isn't easing lockdown restrictions faster than England. And I' at a loss to see why you are siding with the government against the teachers union with regards to the reopening of schools. |
You've already put the date for the return of Communal Worship in Scotland in your earlier post. It's 26th March.
In England churches have already opened.
https://www.churchofengland.org/resources/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance#na
Scroll down to Prayer and Worship and click "Can Churches hold Services of Worship?"
So you have that completely the wrong way round.
Also, I think there is ambiguity about the hospitality industry, isn't there? Are we certain that the date mentioned will definitely apply to indoor dining in Scotland, or will it be beer gardens and outdoor dining?
If it is outdoors only on 26th April then that is actually two weeks behind the aspirations in the road map for England, which states 12th April for outdoors:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/when-pubs-reopen-restaurants-bar | | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 01:06 - Mar 17 with 749 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Well somebody had to say it on 19:07 - Mar 14 by GlasgowBlue |
My wife and I were able to visit her mother earlier this morning, spending time in her garden. If we lived in England we couldn't 't do that until 29 March.
I can go back to my local exercise group tomorrow if I want. I couldn't do that in England until 29 March.
I could have joined 49 other God botherers in communal worship at the local church this morning of I was so inclined. Again, I wouldn't be able to do that if I lived in England.
I honestly cant see how you are holding this line that Scotland isn't easing lockdown restrictions faster than England. And I' at a loss to see why you are siding with the government against the teachers union with regards to the reopening of schools. |
So let me get this straight: Sturgeon has relaxed the rules on outdoor meeting so that 2 households can meet outdoors with appropriate social distancing. And you have availed yourself of that opportunity.
So do you support that policy which Nicola Sturgeon has implemented?
And if so, why are you using it as evidence on a thread criticising her road map?
It's a little bit "Bully hates Church schools but sends his children to one because it is the best one in the area". | | | |
| Well somebody had to say it on 07:48 - Mar 17 with 694 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 01:06 - Mar 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
So let me get this straight: Sturgeon has relaxed the rules on outdoor meeting so that 2 households can meet outdoors with appropriate social distancing. And you have availed yourself of that opportunity.
So do you support that policy which Nicola Sturgeon has implemented?
And if so, why are you using it as evidence on a thread criticising her road map?
It's a little bit "Bully hates Church schools but sends his children to one because it is the best one in the area". |
I haven’t criticised the roadmap. I’m more than happy that my hospitality business will be operating nearly one month earlier than my English equivalent. That doesn’t mean that I’m not suspicious of her motives after a year of caution that Sturgeon suddenly out Boris’ Boris, announcing good news at a time when she is under pressure over a series of sex allegations and cover ups.
1. The op was about the head of the teachers union claiming that Sturgeon was opening up schools earlier than expected for political reasons and that the announcement was made the night before she gave evidence in front of the Salmond enquiry.
2. I made the point that after being one of the most cautious leaders of the home nations during the pandemic, it was out if character for her to have suddenly decided to ease restrictions faster than England. Especially has there had been a worrying trend that infections in Scotland were rising considerably faster than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
3. Herbie disputed that England were easing lockdown measures faster than in England.
4. I provided a number of examples: meeting other households, hospitality (re you question, it’s indoors and outdoors with some restrictions on the 26th) , outdoor organised group exercise, that confirmed Scotland is indeed easing its lockdown restrictions faster than England.
5. Herbie disputed that there is a worrying trend infections were rising in Scotland considerably faster than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
6. I provided data showing that infections are rising[b/b] considerably faster in Scotland than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
So in summary. I agree with the teachers union that the timing of the schools announcement was politically motivated. It’s called throwing a dead cat on the table. | |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 08:03 - Mar 17 with 678 views | Herbivore |
| Well somebody had to say it on 00:57 - Mar 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You've already put the date for the return of Communal Worship in Scotland in your earlier post. It's 26th March.
In England churches have already opened.
https://www.churchofengland.org/resources/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance#na
Scroll down to Prayer and Worship and click "Can Churches hold Services of Worship?"
So you have that completely the wrong way round.
Also, I think there is ambiguity about the hospitality industry, isn't there? Are we certain that the date mentioned will definitely apply to indoor dining in Scotland, or will it be beer gardens and outdoor dining?
If it is outdoors only on 26th April then that is actually two weeks behind the aspirations in the road map for England, which states 12th April for outdoors:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/when-pubs-reopen-restaurants-bar |
We're not allowed to mention the various areas where England has reopened or will reopen quicker, or to point out that the reason Scotland was ahead in allowing some pupils back to school, for example, was because Scotland was a few weeks ahead of England in terms of bringing the R rate and case numbers down.
We're also not allowed to counter his stats by pointing out the increase in testing (the rate of positive tests hasn't changed all that much) and that pupils retuning to school - the first of which happened weeks ago in Scotland - was always likely to lead to some increase in transmission.
Well, we are allowed to mention those things but he'll ignore them, post a twitter link and shout INDOOR HOSPITALITY at you repeatedly. Even if indoor hospitality does open as planned on the 26th of April it's a pretty partial reopening, no alcohol indoors and venues closing by 8pm. No such restrictions are being suggested in England. The idea that Sturgeon has completely abandoned her cautious approach is nonsense.
Of course that's not to say that the timing of the schools announcement might not have had certain benefits in pulling focus away from other issues. But usually Glasgow gets stiff for that kind of cut and thrust of politics so I'm not sure what he's upset about here. I'm not sure there's a lot of evidence, though, that the announcement represents a huge shift in policy. |  |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 09:45 - Mar 17 with 642 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well somebody had to say it on 07:48 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I haven’t criticised the roadmap. I’m more than happy that my hospitality business will be operating nearly one month earlier than my English equivalent. That doesn’t mean that I’m not suspicious of her motives after a year of caution that Sturgeon suddenly out Boris’ Boris, announcing good news at a time when she is under pressure over a series of sex allegations and cover ups.
1. The op was about the head of the teachers union claiming that Sturgeon was opening up schools earlier than expected for political reasons and that the announcement was made the night before she gave evidence in front of the Salmond enquiry.
2. I made the point that after being one of the most cautious leaders of the home nations during the pandemic, it was out if character for her to have suddenly decided to ease restrictions faster than England. Especially has there had been a worrying trend that infections in Scotland were rising considerably faster than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
3. Herbie disputed that England were easing lockdown measures faster than in England.
4. I provided a number of examples: meeting other households, hospitality (re you question, it’s indoors and outdoors with some restrictions on the 26th) , outdoor organised group exercise, that confirmed Scotland is indeed easing its lockdown restrictions faster than England.
5. Herbie disputed that there is a worrying trend infections were rising in Scotland considerably faster than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
6. I provided data showing that infections are rising[b/b] considerably faster in Scotland than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
So in summary. I agree with the teachers union that the timing of the schools announcement was politically motivated. It’s called throwing a dead cat on the table. |
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| Well somebody had to say it on 19:27 - Mar 18 with 543 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well somebody had to say it on 16:04 - Mar 14 by gordon |
I appreciate you're probably frustrated that the public enquiry into Sturgeon isn't producing the outcome you hoped for, but this all seems a bit too desperate. It really isn't clear what point you are making - you seem to want restrictions in place for longer - fair enough, but if so, it would be useful for you to explain what you think the public health justification is, so we can see where you're coming from.
Also think the bit about Devi Sridhar's advice being ignored is just disingenuous nonsense, I'm afraid.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19107806.covid-scotland-devi-sridhar-backs-cau [Post edited 14 Mar 2021 16:10]
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Hey Gordon!! When you said "I appreciate you're probably frustrated that the public enquiry into Sturgeon isn't producing the outcome you hoped for", is this what you meant?
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