| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM 08:08 - Mar 24 with 7720 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know why he felt the need to retract that, or people are up in arms about it. He's spot on, and it's refreshing to see him being so honest for a change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546
His backtrack that he "was not intending to be critical of the pharmaceutical companies in any way" is funnier/worse than the actual comment! |  |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:32 - Mar 24 with 881 views | Cotty |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:30 - Mar 24 by xrayspecs |
It is a little more nuanced than this.
Oxford Uni did develop the vaccine using public money and grants.
However, Oxford Uni and UK government have been working together from the start of the pandemic. The UK government were prepared to sign early contracts with vaccines manufacturers to help de-risk their investment in manufacturing capacity and stock. There were two conditions, the UK would receive the first doses and the vaccine needed to be made in the UK. Oxford partnered with AZ, they had originally proposed working with Merck. Hancock, to his credit, was concerned that Trump would block exports from the US to the UK, and was keen to secure control of the supply chain.
So, if anything, it is a public/private collaboration. You are right that AZ are supplying vaccines at cost. There is also a fair degree of commercial (capitalist?) UK government involvement, which has helped us to achieve vaccination rates way ahead of most other countries. |
I'm not sure that anything you've written contradicts what I wrote. Who's making money out of the AZ vaccine? Who's being greedy there? |  | | |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:38 - Mar 24 with 861 views | xrayspecs |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:32 - Mar 24 by Cotty |
I'm not sure that anything you've written contradicts what I wrote. Who's making money out of the AZ vaccine? Who's being greedy there? |
You appear to be assuming that BJ is referring to vaccines manufacturers. My interpretation of his comments were that greed (an ugly and politically stupid term) refers to the UK securing preferential access to vaccines. Capitalism refers to our ability to unilaterally enter commercial deals with manufacturers rather than be part of some collective EU purchasing initiative. |  | | |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:45 - Mar 24 with 847 views | Cotty |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:38 - Mar 24 by xrayspecs |
You appear to be assuming that BJ is referring to vaccines manufacturers. My interpretation of his comments were that greed (an ugly and politically stupid term) refers to the UK securing preferential access to vaccines. Capitalism refers to our ability to unilaterally enter commercial deals with manufacturers rather than be part of some collective EU purchasing initiative. |
Ah right, it's stupid and wrong-headed in a different way then! | | | |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:49 - Mar 24 with 832 views | xrayspecs |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:45 - Mar 24 by Cotty |
Ah right, it's stupid and wrong-headed in a different way then! |
Ha ha. On that we are agreed! | | | |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:50 - Mar 24 with 831 views | WeWereZombies |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:32 - Mar 24 by Cotty |
I'm not sure that anything you've written contradicts what I wrote. Who's making money out of the AZ vaccine? Who's being greedy there? |
Well, all the researchers, testers, production planners, manufacturing personnel, packagers, distributors, nurses giving the jabs - they are all making money...or getting paid for what they do and not losing their employment. I think a more pertinent question here is if, for example, a universal basic income applied would these people still have carried out the tasks required to get the vaccine rolled out as quickly as it has been.
I think, having worked in a research unit for five years, the answer is yes, they would have. The imperative is to get the vaccine administered as a social good. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 15:16]
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:53 - Mar 24 with 825 views | footers |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:50 - Mar 24 by WeWereZombies |
Well, all the researchers, testers, production planners, manufacturing personnel, packagers, distributors, nurses giving the jabs - they are all making money...or getting paid for what they do and not losing their employment. I think a more pertinent question here is if, for example, a universal basic income applied would these people still have carried out the tasks required to get the vaccine rolled out as quickly as it has been.
I think, having worked in a research unit for five years, the answer is yes, they would have. The imperative is to get the vaccine administered as a social good. [Post edited 24 Mar 2021 15:16]
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"having worked in a research unit for five years" that's a rather grand way of saying you were a human guineau pig, Zambies. |  |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 15:20 - Mar 24 with 805 views | WeWereZombies |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 14:53 - Mar 24 by footers |
"having worked in a research unit for five years" that's a rather grand way of saying you were a human guineau pig, Zambies. |
Actually, fatters, I was, as usual, just a humble accountant. And which is it, human or guinea pig? Rather disturbing if you cannot tell the difference. | |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:14 - Mar 24 with 768 views | monytowbray |
Evidence suggests actually our socialist healthcare system was the main reason, and their constant attempts of cronyism failed massively.
But thick people gonna be thick and follow their racist crooks to Jonestown. Drink up. |  |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:16 - Mar 24 with 761 views | monytowbray |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:42 - Mar 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
How good would it be if all posters supposed colleagues, friends, family told TWTD what they had said during meetings, reunions, gatherings whatever.
How many would be as 'clean' as they make out they are on this forum... |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:28 - Mar 24 with 743 views | jaykay |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 08:35 - Mar 24 by footers |
Choo choo. Bit early this morning but the whatabouterry train has pulled in. |
you know the formula don't you . start load of threads about some issues, and just for balance agree with another issue with one post half way through the thread, as to appear mr unity |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:36 - Mar 24 with 736 views | monytowbray |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:28 - Mar 24 by jaykay |
you know the formula don't you . start load of threads about some issues, and just for balance agree with another issue with one post half way through the thread, as to appear mr unity |
Basically, just make this image the standard reply to every one of his posts.
Saves us all time and bother. | |
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| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 19:38 - Mar 24 with 666 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| 'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 16:16 - Mar 24 by monytowbray |
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Not sure what a pic of a Straw Person really denotes - Oh and isn't that top bale back to front? | | | |
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