| Government sleaze continues 15:57 - Apr 22 with 2934 views | HARRY10 |
One of the lies being peddled is that the government had to over rule normal checks to rush PPE to the UK
What they don't mention is that was due to them running down stocks, and ignoring warnings from Operation Cygnet
"he Cygnus report was frank about the state of the UK’s readiness. “The UK’s preparedness and response, in terms of its plans, policies and capability, is currently not sufficient to cope with the extreme demands of a severe pandemic that will have a nationwide impact across all sectors,” it found."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/what-was-exercise-cygnus-and-what-
What then followed last March was not so much panic to resolve tge problem they have caused, but a panic to ensure that fellow Tories profited, as can be read here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/22/fifth-of-uk-covid-contracts-raised
We will never know how many patients and medical staff died as a result of this incompetence, which was followed by what looks like blatant corruption.
And if they have their way, we will not know whose pockets were lined either
Time for real questions to be put, and answers demanded
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| Government sleaze continues on 12:35 - Apr 26 with 672 views | HARRY10 |
| Government sleaze continues on 23:03 - Apr 22 by HotShotHamish |
Once you find some actual sleaze and not just some wild accusations come back and tell us.
The only thing that's been proven to be wrong is the late announcement of a small number of tendered contracts. Even that was mostly ignored by the public who understood the unique circumstances.
I am sure that mistakes were made, contracts given to some who should never have got them, and money wasted. To insinuate that it's all some huge conservatives conspiracy to make money for themselves and their mates is based purely on political bias.
I bet you're spitting feathers that this isn't cutting through with the public! |
For what it is worth
"The Conservatives have plunged five points after weeks of growing sleaze controversy, pollsters Ipsos MORI survey reveal in tonight’s Evening Standard." | | | |
| Government sleaze continues on 13:57 - Apr 26 with 646 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 12:35 - Apr 26 by HARRY10 |
For what it is worth
"The Conservatives have plunged five points after weeks of growing sleaze controversy, pollsters Ipsos MORI survey reveal in tonight’s Evening Standard." |
Whilst not wishing to piss on your parade, but today's Ipsos MORI poll showing a 5 point drop in the Tories lead, was carried out between 16-22 Apr, mostly before YouGov (10pts Tory lead) & Opinium (11pts Tory lead). So that's before Cummings blog post on Friday.
I thought it was an odd poll when I saw it as Labour had also dropped by one point and you would have expected them to benefit from any blowback from the Tory sleaze revelations.
Still, at least we have clarified that you are talking about "voting intention" polls. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 13:58]
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| Government sleaze continues on 14:15 - Apr 26 with 635 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:10 - Apr 26 by HARRY10 |
You seem to have missed the bit where I said " for what it is worth"
that should have been a clue  |
Like most of your posts then Harry?  | |
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| Government sleaze continues on 14:29 - Apr 26 with 631 views | HARRY10 |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:15 - Apr 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Like most of your posts then Harry? |
I bow to your ability to refute my points..............though I must admit I have yet to see one example
As to the poll, my point as in 'for what it is worth' was that as before they can and do fluctuate over any number of variables.
That is why I made no comment on the Tories dropping five points. They could drop another 5 points, but it still wouldn't indicate how much voters have really taken on board what is happening, and what has happened.
Take a look at Cornwall where the suggestion is that the Tory vote will drop over fishing 'betrayal'. Is that an indication of the wider picture, or a reaction to one issue.
Either side could make an argument on that suggested vote - does it really indicate anything ? | | | |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:36 - Apr 26 with 626 views | monytowbray |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:29 - Apr 26 by HARRY10 |
I bow to your ability to refute my points..............though I must admit I have yet to see one example
As to the poll, my point as in 'for what it is worth' was that as before they can and do fluctuate over any number of variables.
That is why I made no comment on the Tories dropping five points. They could drop another 5 points, but it still wouldn't indicate how much voters have really taken on board what is happening, and what has happened.
Take a look at Cornwall where the suggestion is that the Tory vote will drop over fishing 'betrayal'. Is that an indication of the wider picture, or a reaction to one issue.
Either side could make an argument on that suggested vote - does it really indicate anything ? |
Ignore him and he goes away. Time and hindsight do enough to pick apart his arguments thus causing him to scurry away and rewrite his posting history. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 14:36]
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| Government sleaze continues on 14:45 - Apr 26 with 606 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:29 - Apr 26 by HARRY10 |
I bow to your ability to refute my points..............though I must admit I have yet to see one example
As to the poll, my point as in 'for what it is worth' was that as before they can and do fluctuate over any number of variables.
That is why I made no comment on the Tories dropping five points. They could drop another 5 points, but it still wouldn't indicate how much voters have really taken on board what is happening, and what has happened.
Take a look at Cornwall where the suggestion is that the Tory vote will drop over fishing 'betrayal'. Is that an indication of the wider picture, or a reaction to one issue.
Either side could make an argument on that suggested vote - does it really indicate anything ? |
Bread and circuses mate. Hence the reason Johnson has thrown another dead cat on the table today by saying he expects the UK to be fully open by June 21.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; People are more interested in when the pubs are opening than how much Johnson spent on his wallpaper. Factor in that every man and has dog has spent the past year demonising Cummings as the devil incarnate and it isn't going to have much of an effect.
Now the suggestion that Johnson said he'd rather see the "bodies piled high rather than lockdown" is a different kettle of fish. If there is a tape recording of this then his position is untenable. He'll be out of the door in a week.
But sleaze and home décor simply isn't cutting through. | |
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| Government sleaze continues on 14:48 - Apr 26 with 603 views | SpruceMoose |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:45 - Apr 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Bread and circuses mate. Hence the reason Johnson has thrown another dead cat on the table today by saying he expects the UK to be fully open by June 21.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; People are more interested in when the pubs are opening than how much Johnson spent on his wallpaper. Factor in that every man and has dog has spent the past year demonising Cummings as the devil incarnate and it isn't going to have much of an effect.
Now the suggestion that Johnson said he'd rather see the "bodies piled high rather than lockdown" is a different kettle of fish. If there is a tape recording of this then his position is untenable. He'll be out of the door in a week.
But sleaze and home décor simply isn't cutting through. |
"Now the suggestion that Johnson said he'd rather see the "bodies piled high rather than lockdown" is a different kettle of fish. If there is a tape recording of this then his position is untenable. He'll be out of the door in a week."
We are in the post-shame era GB. Ignore it long enough, act as if you've done nothing wrong and that everyone is out to get you, and you can get away with anything.
Personally, I have serious doubts that it will even move the needle when you have devout Johnson lovers out there. Can you imagine Paz being put off by it, for example?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:05 - Apr 26 with 587 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 14:48 - Apr 26 by SpruceMoose |
"Now the suggestion that Johnson said he'd rather see the "bodies piled high rather than lockdown" is a different kettle of fish. If there is a tape recording of this then his position is untenable. He'll be out of the door in a week."
We are in the post-shame era GB. Ignore it long enough, act as if you've done nothing wrong and that everyone is out to get you, and you can get away with anything.
Personally, I have serious doubts that it will even move the needle when you have devout Johnson lovers out there. Can you imagine Paz being put off by it, for example?
I'd love to be proved wrong! |
Half the cabinet have set up offices ready for a leadership contest.
I can't see how he could stay if he is on record making that statement. And nor should he. | |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:08 - Apr 26 with 580 views | hype313 |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:05 - Apr 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Half the cabinet have set up offices ready for a leadership contest.
I can't see how he could stay if he is on record making that statement. And nor should he. |
Gove, Hancock, Sunak and Shapps were in that meeting, who do you think leaked it.
I know who my money's on, and he looks like Pob. |  |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:11 - Apr 26 with 576 views | SpruceMoose |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:05 - Apr 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Half the cabinet have set up offices ready for a leadership contest.
I can't see how he could stay if he is on record making that statement. And nor should he. |
So he'd only be going because of an internal Tory power struggle. I suspect that none of them would actually have issue with what he said privately, they are just cynical enough to exploit it. I doubt the public tide would turn against him though, which is an entirely different and depressing matter. It's another case of 'Old Boris just being Boris'. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:16 - Apr 26 with 570 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:08 - Apr 26 by hype313 |
Gove, Hancock, Sunak and Shapps were in that meeting, who do you think leaked it.
I know who my money's on, and he looks like Pob. |
Gove seems to have gone to ground. The sneaky little fooker. | |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:19 - Apr 26 with 561 views | footers |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:08 - Apr 26 by hype313 |
Gove, Hancock, Sunak and Shapps were in that meeting, who do you think leaked it.
I know who my money's on, and he looks like Pob. |
Sunak's been busy filling his appointments with editors recently, so maybe he's going to try it. |  |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:26 - Apr 26 with 533 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:11 - Apr 26 by SpruceMoose |
So he'd only be going because of an internal Tory power struggle. I suspect that none of them would actually have issue with what he said privately, they are just cynical enough to exploit it. I doubt the public tide would turn against him though, which is an entirely different and depressing matter. It's another case of 'Old Boris just being Boris'. |
I honesty can't remember the last time a Tory Prime Minister didn't serve at the pleasure of the parliamentary party. Thatcher probably.
Major, Cameron and May had to little to no power. Mostly down to small or non existent majorities. Boris as a decent majority but no particular power base. He vacuous. so doesn't command the support of any particular wing of the party.
He was put in place to win an election. Nobody even thought about how he'd actually govern.
If he's seen as a liability then he'll be out. | |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:27 - Apr 26 with 528 views | HARRY10 |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:08 - Apr 26 by hype313 |
Gove, Hancock, Sunak and Shapps were in that meeting, who do you think leaked it.
I know who my money's on, and he looks like Pob. |
I think this is a case of
'the dog that didn't bark'
given the absence of strong denials by all four that they did not hear Johnson say those words
The problem for our bloated buffoon is he is not too streetwise when it comes to this sort of thing - as he seems to imagine that because there has not been an immediate reaction to much of the sh ite he spews out, it has been forgotten/ignored
Whereas Cummings, like most on such positions, has had the good sense to not only record this stuff but squirrel it away for later use. Similarly
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:28 - Apr 26 with 527 views | SpruceMoose |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:26 - Apr 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I honesty can't remember the last time a Tory Prime Minister didn't serve at the pleasure of the parliamentary party. Thatcher probably.
Major, Cameron and May had to little to no power. Mostly down to small or non existent majorities. Boris as a decent majority but no particular power base. He vacuous. so doesn't command the support of any particular wing of the party.
He was put in place to win an election. Nobody even thought about how he'd actually govern.
If he's seen as a liability then he'll be out. |
When you put it like that I'm tempted to actually apply for US citizenship and be done with you lot across the pond! | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Government sleaze continues on 15:40 - Apr 26 with 511 views | HARRY10 |
| Government sleaze continues on 15:28 - Apr 26 by SpruceMoose |
When you put it like that I'm tempted to actually apply for US citizenship and be done with you lot across the pond! |
I ask ?
If, as you repeatedly claim, this will not affect voters intentions then where the liability ? | | | |
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