| AJ fighting Usyk now 00:48 - May 23 with 3878 views | Barneycurley |
Poor Tyson - he'll have to smash Wilder for a third time and face AJ after I guess 😠|  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 08:18 - May 23 with 2384 views | Herbivore |
Poor Tyson? I don't think you're reading what's going on here very well. |  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 08:36 - May 23 with 2358 views | Radlett_blue |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 08:18 - May 23 by Herbivore |
Poor Tyson? I don't think you're reading what's going on here very well. |
If Joshua-Fury is really worth $500m, all Fury has to do is give Wilder $20m+ to step aside. |  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:04 - May 23 with 2309 views | footers |
Not surprising really, but the mandatories don't really mean that much in the grand scheme of things.
Still, this has all been a big let down, hasn't it? I'm confident we'll still see an undisputed between those two, and the two other fights are pretty good on their own - although I really don't see the point in the trilogy fight for anyone other than Wilder.
Oh well. Next year it is then. |  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:13 - May 23 with 2289 views | Radlett_blue |
In boxing, most problems can be solved by writing out a large cheque. But yes, the absurd multiplication of governing bodies creates many extra obstacles. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:15 - May 23 with 2284 views | Chrisd |
It's a very disappointing outcome. There's too much interference from the various Boxing Governing Bodies and TV companies, which is putting barriers up. I really like Uysk as a fighter, but after fighting a couple of heavyweight journeymen he's deemed good enough for a title shot is simply ludicrous. Who honestly wants to see Fury vs. Wilder III? I know I don't and I doubt if I'm in the minority. |  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:17 - May 23 with 2277 views | Herbivore |
It's directly down to that. They'd waived him having to face Usyk immediately to allow the Fury fight to happen, now the Fury fight isn't happening they want him to face Usyk.
The problem is that this all ultimately makes fighting for all four belts more difficult down the line. Whyte has been WBC mandatory (aside from the brief period between the Povetkin fights) for what feels like years and at some point he should get a shot at the belt. The WBA and IBF will doubtless have mandatories lined up as well. They'll only wait so long. This really could end up being a once in a lifetime opportunity missed. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:23 - May 23 with 2261 views | footers |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:17 - May 23 by Herbivore |
It's directly down to that. They'd waived him having to face Usyk immediately to allow the Fury fight to happen, now the Fury fight isn't happening they want him to face Usyk.
The problem is that this all ultimately makes fighting for all four belts more difficult down the line. Whyte has been WBC mandatory (aside from the brief period between the Povetkin fights) for what feels like years and at some point he should get a shot at the belt. The WBA and IBF will doubtless have mandatories lined up as well. They'll only wait so long. This really could end up being a once in a lifetime opportunity missed. |
It really could but do you honestly see Usyk winning over AJ or Wilder beating Fury? I love Usyk as a fighter but he's not ready for AJ and I think this is a step too soon, too far for him - which is why I'd rather he fought Joyce first.
Agree on Dill, though. He's been mandatory for almost two years(?!) at this point I think! Would be good if he could face the winner of the undisputed if it happens and has a few tune-ups in between - he's been in with enough big names already and doesn't really need to prove himself anymore. That said, his loss to Povetkin was disappointing, despite him dominating the fight. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:32 - May 23 with 2221 views | Radlett_blue |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:17 - May 23 by Herbivore |
It's directly down to that. They'd waived him having to face Usyk immediately to allow the Fury fight to happen, now the Fury fight isn't happening they want him to face Usyk.
The problem is that this all ultimately makes fighting for all four belts more difficult down the line. Whyte has been WBC mandatory (aside from the brief period between the Povetkin fights) for what feels like years and at some point he should get a shot at the belt. The WBA and IBF will doubtless have mandatories lined up as well. They'll only wait so long. This really could end up being a once in a lifetime opportunity missed. |
The problem is having so many self-appointed "governing bodies". It was just about bearable with the WBC & WBA, but then the IBF & then the initially derided WBO popped up. There are also other bodies who dish out so-called "world titles" so no doubt there will eventually be 5 "recognised" governing bodies. This helps the sport market almost every single fight as being a "title fight" to the gullible public. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:40 - May 23 with 2201 views | Herbivore |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:23 - May 23 by footers |
It really could but do you honestly see Usyk winning over AJ or Wilder beating Fury? I love Usyk as a fighter but he's not ready for AJ and I think this is a step too soon, too far for him - which is why I'd rather he fought Joyce first.
Agree on Dill, though. He's been mandatory for almost two years(?!) at this point I think! Would be good if he could face the winner of the undisputed if it happens and has a few tune-ups in between - he's been in with enough big names already and doesn't really need to prove himself anymore. That said, his loss to Povetkin was disappointing, despite him dominating the fight. |
It's not so much I think either will lose, although it's heavyweight boxing so you never know, it's more that the WBC, WBA, and IBF aren't likely to be willing to wait longer still for their mandatory challangers to have a fight. Fury v AJ could still happen but it probably won't be for all the marbles and that will be a shame and will take a bit of the lustre off it. Frankly the way Fury and his team have handled this whole thing makes part of me hope that Wilder lands a lucky shot and sparks him out. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:45 - May 23 with 2187 views | footers |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:40 - May 23 by Herbivore |
It's not so much I think either will lose, although it's heavyweight boxing so you never know, it's more that the WBC, WBA, and IBF aren't likely to be willing to wait longer still for their mandatory challangers to have a fight. Fury v AJ could still happen but it probably won't be for all the marbles and that will be a shame and will take a bit of the lustre off it. Frankly the way Fury and his team have handled this whole thing makes part of me hope that Wilder lands a lucky shot and sparks him out. |
Yeah, that's true. But here's what I don't get, Herb - Hearn and Arum aren't daft. How have they let themselves build and sign the biggest fight in a generation presumably knowing there was a pending arbitration for the trilogy? Doesn't make sense to me unless all parties were ITK from the get-go, but then we're entering tinfoil hat territory.
Really disappointed in Fury and his team for this, though. Doesn't seem to be any shenanigans on AJ's behalf. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:58 - May 23 with 2163 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:45 - May 23 by footers |
Yeah, that's true. But here's what I don't get, Herb - Hearn and Arum aren't daft. How have they let themselves build and sign the biggest fight in a generation presumably knowing there was a pending arbitration for the trilogy? Doesn't make sense to me unless all parties were ITK from the get-go, but then we're entering tinfoil hat territory.
Really disappointed in Fury and his team for this, though. Doesn't seem to be any shenanigans on AJ's behalf. |
Re your last paragraph - you would say that wouldn't you... | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:00 - May 23 with 2165 views | Herbivore |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:45 - May 23 by footers |
Yeah, that's true. But here's what I don't get, Herb - Hearn and Arum aren't daft. How have they let themselves build and sign the biggest fight in a generation presumably knowing there was a pending arbitration for the trilogy? Doesn't make sense to me unless all parties were ITK from the get-go, but then we're entering tinfoil hat territory.
Really disappointed in Fury and his team for this, though. Doesn't seem to be any shenanigans on AJ's behalf. |
Hearn did all the leg work seemingly under the impression that the Wilder issue was a non-issue. I think they'd had assurances that Wilder didn't have a case. Meanwhile, Arum had already booked a venue and date for a third Wilder fight whilst the AJ fight was still being negotiated and they've very quickly made that fight rather than exploring options to avoid having to fight Wilder. It smacks a bit of using AJ's name and profile to help promote a third Wilder fight that they know the public has little interest in. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:01 - May 23 with 2162 views | Herbivore |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:58 - May 23 by Barneycurley |
Re your last paragraph - you would say that wouldn't you... |
Erm, Footers has been pretty open about being a big Fury fan. He's just trying not to let that completely blind him. It's pretty clear what's gone on here. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:02 - May 23 with 2161 views | footers |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:58 - May 23 by Barneycurley |
Re your last paragraph - you would say that wouldn't you... |
Erm, no? I favour Fury in the fight. I'm just sad to see most of this seems to be coming from their end. So not sure what your point is, fella. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:10 - May 23 with 2141 views | Radlett_blue |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 09:45 - May 23 by footers |
Yeah, that's true. But here's what I don't get, Herb - Hearn and Arum aren't daft. How have they let themselves build and sign the biggest fight in a generation presumably knowing there was a pending arbitration for the trilogy? Doesn't make sense to me unless all parties were ITK from the get-go, but then we're entering tinfoil hat territory.
Really disappointed in Fury and his team for this, though. Doesn't seem to be any shenanigans on AJ's behalf. |
Fury & Co were hoping that the arbitrator would rule in their favour i.e. that the rematch clause had expired & that if it didn't go that way, they could pay Wilder enough step-aside money. Wilder's camp either see a chance to drive a hard bargain or think another fight with Fury will generate a huge sum. I doubt people will pay up to see Fury-Wilder III. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:24 - May 23 with 2118 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:10 - May 23 by Radlett_blue |
Fury & Co were hoping that the arbitrator would rule in their favour i.e. that the rematch clause had expired & that if it didn't go that way, they could pay Wilder enough step-aside money. Wilder's camp either see a chance to drive a hard bargain or think another fight with Fury will generate a huge sum. I doubt people will pay up to see Fury-Wilder III. |
Exactly, why would Wilder Step aside? It's his last chance of staying relevant. 20 mill or not, Wilder has nothing to lose enforcing the clause.
Why that's deemed Furys fault I am unsure. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:47 - May 23 with 2098 views | Herbivore |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:24 - May 23 by Barneycurley |
Exactly, why would Wilder Step aside? It's his last chance of staying relevant. 20 mill or not, Wilder has nothing to lose enforcing the clause.
Why that's deemed Furys fault I am unsure. |
$20m is probably more than Wilder has made in his entire career and it's more than he'd earn for actually fighting Fury for a third time. It's a smarter business move to step aside, take the money, and then push for a fight with the winner of Fury v AJ. I doubt Fury's team have even made him an offer to step aside, as soon as the arbitrator's decision was announced suddenly there was a date and a venue and the fight was all but signed. | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 11:21 - May 23 with 2068 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:47 - May 23 by Herbivore |
$20m is probably more than Wilder has made in his entire career and it's more than he'd earn for actually fighting Fury for a third time. It's a smarter business move to step aside, take the money, and then push for a fight with the winner of Fury v AJ. I doubt Fury's team have even made him an offer to step aside, as soon as the arbitrator's decision was announced suddenly there was a date and a venue and the fight was all but signed. |
Plenty of jumping to conclusions there, nice work | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 11:26 - May 23 with 2065 views | pointofblue |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 10:24 - May 23 by Barneycurley |
Exactly, why would Wilder Step aside? It's his last chance of staying relevant. 20 mill or not, Wilder has nothing to lose enforcing the clause.
Why that's deemed Furys fault I am unsure. |
Because, if that is the case, why did Fury’s team much a song and dance about fighting Joshua and having the unification fight? Why not say straight away that the Wilder clause could be an issue, or even state that they would prefer to adhere to it than pay Wilder off? | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 11:26 - May 23 with 2064 views | Herbivore |
| AJ fighting Usyk now on 11:21 - May 23 by Barneycurley |
Plenty of jumping to conclusions there, nice work |
Eh? What do you disagree with? | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 12:16 - May 23 with 2023 views | J2BLUE |
If it makes Wembley viable for this mega fight next year then i'm happy with the delay.
No doubt they'll find some reason to follow the money though.
I'd love Whyte to get his title shot soon. I want to see him as world champ, as unlikely as that might be. |  |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 15:53 - May 23 with 1912 views | Herbivore |
Amazing how they managed to get that fight signed off in under a week after spending 6 months dicking AJ about........ | |
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| AJ fighting Usyk now on 15:59 - May 23 with 1902 views | footers |
Who's actually going to buy that fight though? | |
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