| Cook and Richardson fall out? 10:10 - Jun 20 with 7894 views | BryanPlug |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:16 - Jun 20 with 977 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:09 - Jun 20 by itfcjoe |
Well it is obvious they would have spoken about that, and it is also obvious it’s not a criticism of Cook, or something he’s done wrong but just a situation that has changed which doesn’t help us as a club.
Even if Cook and Richardson hadn’t spoken since he left Wigan, Richardson getting the job and Wigan getting money is far from ideal as they will have very similar philosophies and players they rate as worked in each other’s pockets for years and years.
Not everything has to be pro or anti Cook, there can just be observations about things which are or aren’t in the clubs favour |
Nope, not obvious at all that Cook would be sharing his plans for players when there was a chance Richardson would be made perm Wigan manager. |  |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:18 - Jun 20 with 968 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:16 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Nope, not obvious at all that Cook would be sharing his plans for players when there was a chance Richardson would be made perm Wigan manager. |
On the pod in question, Stu and Andy said that Cook and Richardson were speaking to each other every day - of course no one bar them knows the exact convos but it’s hardly that much of a leap to suggest they were talking about players amongst other things |  |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:23 - Jun 20 with 944 views | Vic |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:18 - Jun 20 by itfcjoe |
On the pod in question, Stu and Andy said that Cook and Richardson were speaking to each other every day - of course no one bar them knows the exact convos but it’s hardly that much of a leap to suggest they were talking about players amongst other things |
Cooks comments re his assistant in the first few weeks showed that he clearly expected LR to join him. Given that the two spoke every day I think it’s likely Cook would be talking players and selling the club to LR. |  |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:04 - Jun 20 with 893 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:18 - Jun 20 by itfcjoe |
On the pod in question, Stu and Andy said that Cook and Richardson were speaking to each other every day - of course no one bar them knows the exact convos but it’s hardly that much of a leap to suggest they were talking about players amongst other things |
We're going round in circles Joe. Yeah they may well discuss players. I'm saying I disagree with Bryan's theory that Cook was SHARING HIS PLANS for players... and now Richardson's snapping up the players Cook wanted.
It's no biggie, feel free to disagree. But to me it's all conjecture and there's no evidence for it. Nor do I think it's very likely that he'd go into details when there was still a chance Richardson would be made perm at Wigan.
It's inventing a problem that probably isn't there IMO. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:06 - Jun 20 with 882 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:23 - Jun 20 by Vic |
Cooks comments re his assistant in the first few weeks showed that he clearly expected LR to join him. Given that the two spoke every day I think it’s likely Cook would be talking players and selling the club to LR. |
"he clearly expected LR to join him"
Got a link to these quotes? It's not how I remember it. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:13 - Jun 20 with 862 views | Moriarty |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 17:11 - Jun 20 by Vic |
It is indeed speculation - but it’s not unrealistic is it. I think it’s pretty clear that Cooke expected Richardson to join him here, so any conversation, discussion would be to a future colleague, not a direct rival.
What would be very unlikely, in my opinion, is that after committing himself to Wigan long term LR would then sit down and deliberately target the players they had talked about just to spite him. It’s much more likely that given they have worked together so well for so long that they will have similar styles and therefore similar players they want to sign. |
Those are fair points and clearly managers will talk about things and run things by one another.
But the OP has gone way beyond that.
PC’s passing of the buck to the players and his stated intention to give them all (or practical all of them) the chop meant a massive rebuild funded by new owners. Notwithstanding my belief that PC’s start is more a source of concern than optimism, If OP wants to make that sort of allegation against PC - and it’s a serious one - he shouldn’t do so on flimsy deduction driven by an overwhelming desire to get attention.
The OP’s conclusions are ridiculous and he seems oblivious to the gravity of what he is accusing PC of. |  |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:21 - Jun 20 with 850 views | Moriarty |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:23 - Jun 20 by Vic |
Cooks comments re his assistant in the first few weeks showed that he clearly expected LR to join him. Given that the two spoke every day I think it’s likely Cook would be talking players and selling the club to LR. |
That’s true Vic but PC’s duty is to the club, not LR. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:33 - Jun 20 with 845 views | itfcjoe |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:13 - Jun 20 by Moriarty |
Those are fair points and clearly managers will talk about things and run things by one another.
But the OP has gone way beyond that.
PC’s passing of the buck to the players and his stated intention to give them all (or practical all of them) the chop meant a massive rebuild funded by new owners. Notwithstanding my belief that PC’s start is more a source of concern than optimism, If OP wants to make that sort of allegation against PC - and it’s a serious one - he shouldn’t do so on flimsy deduction driven by an overwhelming desire to get attention.
The OP’s conclusions are ridiculous and he seems oblivious to the gravity of what he is accusing PC of. |
For me it’s this….
Do I think Cook would have shared potential plans with Richardson? Most probably.
Do I think it’s a big deal? No
Do I think Cook has done anything wrong? No
Do I think combination of Richardson getting Wigan job and them getting investment is a bad thing for ITFC? Yes
Do I think the conversations they’ve had have made any difference to either of their plans this summer? No
There were very few players Cook wanted to keep this summer, one of those was Gwion Edwards - whatever people’s thoughts in him individually - any player the manager wants to buy or wants to keep that he can’t isn’t good news. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:43 - Jun 20 with 817 views | BryanPlug |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:13 - Jun 20 by Moriarty |
Those are fair points and clearly managers will talk about things and run things by one another.
But the OP has gone way beyond that.
PC’s passing of the buck to the players and his stated intention to give them all (or practical all of them) the chop meant a massive rebuild funded by new owners. Notwithstanding my belief that PC’s start is more a source of concern than optimism, If OP wants to make that sort of allegation against PC - and it’s a serious one - he shouldn’t do so on flimsy deduction driven by an overwhelming desire to get attention.
The OP’s conclusions are ridiculous and he seems oblivious to the gravity of what he is accusing PC of. |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:46 - Jun 20 with 808 views | BryanPlug |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:09 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You got a tap on Cook's phone?
If this isn't all conjecture, show me some proof. |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 20:40 - Jun 20 with 748 views | SpruceMoose |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 19:46 - Jun 20 by BryanPlug |
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Needlessly abusive again. Bullying on here getting out of hand. |  |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 21:13 - Jun 20 with 718 views | Seablu |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 20:40 - Jun 20 by SpruceMoose |
Needlessly abusive again. Bullying on here getting out of hand. |
Indeed, and this Bryanplug character was also against players taking the knee as early as last September.
Thoroughly unsavoury individual. |  | | |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:14 - Jun 20 with 638 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
You thought I wouldn't bother reading those didn't you?
There's absolutely nothing in either link that says he expects Richardson to join him. The best I can find in link one, on your behalf, is Richardson saying “I think everybody’s seen my commitment to Wigan at the minute, there’s a job to be done. I don’t think anybody can question anybody’s integrity, so we’ll see what happens.”
How on earth do you equate that to "Cook expects LR to join him"?
In link two, the only thing remotely close is Cook saying "he would love Liam (sic) Richardson back as his assistant."
That's it. No expectation of it at all.
Nice try sunshine. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:16 - Jun 20 with 624 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 21:13 - Jun 20 by Seablu |
Indeed, and this Bryanplug character was also against players taking the knee as early as last September.
Thoroughly unsavoury individual. |
Wow, is that true? It gets worse! | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:28 - Jun 20 with 586 views | Vic |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:14 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You thought I wouldn't bother reading those didn't you?
There's absolutely nothing in either link that says he expects Richardson to join him. The best I can find in link one, on your behalf, is Richardson saying “I think everybody’s seen my commitment to Wigan at the minute, there’s a job to be done. I don’t think anybody can question anybody’s integrity, so we’ll see what happens.”
How on earth do you equate that to "Cook expects LR to join him"?
In link two, the only thing remotely close is Cook saying "he would love Liam (sic) Richardson back as his assistant."
That's it. No expectation of it at all.
Nice try sunshine. |
Not at all! I see this as a friendly place - we support the same team, I’m really not into point scoring against people I’d hope are my friends.
I couldn’t find the quote I’m thinking off - where PC, when asked about Richardson joining him played coy and said something like ‘not now, he’s got a big job at Wigan, but let’s see what happens in the future’.
It’s no big deal, I’m just expressing an opinion. We happen to differ. Let’s not make it an arguement - the team is more important. | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:46 - Jun 20 with 556 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 22:28 - Jun 20 by Vic |
Not at all! I see this as a friendly place - we support the same team, I’m really not into point scoring against people I’d hope are my friends.
I couldn’t find the quote I’m thinking off - where PC, when asked about Richardson joining him played coy and said something like ‘not now, he’s got a big job at Wigan, but let’s see what happens in the future’.
It’s no big deal, I’m just expressing an opinion. We happen to differ. Let’s not make it an arguement - the team is more important. |
I'm not after an argument - but why supply links that don't say what you're claiming they do?
It's fine to have an opinion though, just as it's fine for people to disagree with it.
Just don't try to pretend it's a fact, that's all! | |
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| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 10:47 - Jun 21 with 404 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Cook and Richardson fall out? on 18:18 - Jun 20 by itfcjoe |
On the pod in question, Stu and Andy said that Cook and Richardson were speaking to each other every day - of course no one bar them knows the exact convos but it’s hardly that much of a leap to suggest they were talking about players amongst other things |
I'm listening to the pod now, and Stu said "I wonder if there's been too many phone calls between them.." (meaning there likely hasn't been too many). Nothing about speaking to each other every day, unless we're talking about different pods. This is the one of Jun 16th entitled "Trust the process" (a phrase, incidentally, one or two on here could do with taking on board). | |
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