| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:02 - Jul 13 with 800 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 17:16 - Jul 13 by TractorWood |
This wasn't old school hoolies. These were youngsters and opportunists. Some in their teens.
As Texters said, the police were a fifth or maybe less of the required number to keep things in line. Also and fundamentally there was just too many people on Wembley Way. Easily over 100k. Should have been a dispersal order for unticketed fans given we remain in a pandemic to boot. Sounds ridiculously obvious writing that. |
3 of the 4 who were next to me without tickets were probably late thirties and told me they were banned from Bristol City. Proper lumps. Sniffing coke, drinking whisky etc.
It was a complete mix of people who jibbed and kids who stormed the gates largely. |  | |  |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:04 - Jul 13 with 795 views | XYZ |
Shefki would have dived in over the arch. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:19 - Jul 13 with 774 views | Churchman |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 14:49 - Jul 13 by Price_1991 |
Part of the issue is the fact that the number of police on the streets have been cut dramatically over the years due to cuts in public spending. If we were to be successful in any bid to hold the world cup I would imagine 3rd party companies would be brought in like they did for the 2012 Olympics to help with stewarding they would also likely use the military to bolster the security around venues. |
I think this is a key point. The government have cut police numbers by a third and hamstrung what those left can do. When do you ever see a policeman these days unless it’s the state opening of Parliament or the Royals are out and about? The police have far more to deal with, including cyber crime, modern slavery/people tracking than 11 years ago yet the government priority is still cuts cuts cuts. Under resourced, under supported.
The government have given a free pass to people to do as they please, including the racists, thieves and witless animals that litter our society. A few mealy mouthed words from tub of lard and his lackeys does not reflect their actions. |  | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:25 - Jul 13 with 763 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:19 - Jul 13 by Churchman |
I think this is a key point. The government have cut police numbers by a third and hamstrung what those left can do. When do you ever see a policeman these days unless it’s the state opening of Parliament or the Royals are out and about? The police have far more to deal with, including cyber crime, modern slavery/people tracking than 11 years ago yet the government priority is still cuts cuts cuts. Under resourced, under supported.
The government have given a free pass to people to do as they please, including the racists, thieves and witless animals that litter our society. A few mealy mouthed words from tub of lard and his lackeys does not reflect their actions. |
That isn’t an excuse for their being circa 450 on duty on Sunday. Thousands more were available to work and often are required to work for other major sporting occasions. They got it massively wrong and should be held to account for that. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:10 - Jul 13 with 735 views | Churchman |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:25 - Jul 13 by PrideOfTheEast |
That isn’t an excuse for their being circa 450 on duty on Sunday. Thousands more were available to work and often are required to work for other major sporting occasions. They got it massively wrong and should be held to account for that. |
Sorry, badly worded post - thanks to my mega annoyance and disappointment with so much that went wrong on Sunday.
You are right and it is no excuse and wasn’t meant to be. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:35 - Jul 13 with 714 views | DebsyAngel |
Disgusts me that the worm next door to me managed to get him and his son in - heard him bragging about how he "blagged" it, not by fighting. And that family have been so called "isolating" all week due to the kid's school ordering it. But ok to go to Wembley for the day, then back to staying away from school again this week. How do they get away with it? |  | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:36 - Jul 13 with 708 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:10 - Jul 13 by Churchman |
Sorry, badly worded post - thanks to my mega annoyance and disappointment with so much that went wrong on Sunday.
You are right and it is no excuse and wasn’t meant to be. |
It’s unbelievable isn’t it. You really do question their motivation behind doing naff all - there’s so much more to this. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:45 - Jul 13 with 702 views | textbackup |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:36 - Jul 13 by PrideOfTheEast |
It’s unbelievable isn’t it. You really do question their motivation behind doing naff all - there’s so much more to this. |
it's laughable when you see the worlds most tame derby get hundreds of police on duty for a 12pm kick off..... but sunday was about 450 at Wembley for 250k people!
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:56 - Jul 13 with 699 views | NBVJohn |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 11:38 - Jul 13 by XYZ |
Sounds like Wembley was understaffed and under-policed.
Uk & Ireland bid for 2030 World Cup could be damaged. |
Drunken idiots fighting and entering the stadium without tickets,
Booing other countries national anthems,
The racism
I would suggest that the 2030 World Cup is the least of our worries. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:00 - Jul 13 with 689 views | Radlett_blue |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 19:25 - Jul 13 by PrideOfTheEast |
That isn’t an excuse for their being circa 450 on duty on Sunday. Thousands more were available to work and often are required to work for other major sporting occasions. They got it massively wrong and should be held to account for that. |
So, who was responsible for deciding appropriate police numbers for Sunday?
Yes, it does seem that policing was inadequate & the burden fell on stewards, whom we know aren't well paid or trained. |  |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:22 - Jul 13 with 670 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:00 - Jul 13 by Radlett_blue |
So, who was responsible for deciding appropriate police numbers for Sunday?
Yes, it does seem that policing was inadequate & the burden fell on stewards, whom we know aren't well paid or trained. |
The police are responsible for their numbers. Wembley for the stewarding.
Problem is, what happens when the Met fck up? If it's anything like the policing of the Sarah Everard vigil, they get some other police to do a review and tell us that everything was fine and in order.
They are largely unaccountable for their mistakes, same old, same old. |  |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:27 - Jul 13 with 663 views | Churchman |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 20:35 - Jul 13 by DebsyAngel |
Disgusts me that the worm next door to me managed to get him and his son in - heard him bragging about how he "blagged" it, not by fighting. And that family have been so called "isolating" all week due to the kid's school ordering it. But ok to go to Wembley for the day, then back to staying away from school again this week. How do they get away with it? |
That’s awful on all counts. Dregs of the earth. | | | |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:28 - Jul 13 with 662 views | Chrisd |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:22 - Jul 13 by bluelagos |
The police are responsible for their numbers. Wembley for the stewarding.
Problem is, what happens when the Met fck up? If it's anything like the policing of the Sarah Everard vigil, they get some other police to do a review and tell us that everything was fine and in order.
They are largely unaccountable for their mistakes, same old, same old. |
Sorry, but that is total BS you are talking about there. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:41 - Jul 13 with 651 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:28 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
Sorry, but that is total BS you are talking about there. |
You need to be a little more detailed please. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:47 - Jul 13 with 640 views | Chrisd |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:41 - Jul 13 by bluelagos |
You need to be a little more detailed please. |
Blue Lagos my wife works for Essex Police. The reality is the police are under constant scrutiny and investigation about their actions. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:51 - Jul 13 with 634 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:47 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
Blue Lagos my wife works for Essex Police. The reality is the police are under constant scrutiny and investigation about their actions. |
So you are hardly an impartial person to comment on the lack of accountability demonstrated over many years by a whole series of police forces.
Just because they have processes doesnt mean they are effective in holding the police to account for their actions.
Are you aware who was the most senior Met officer in charge when they killed JC DeMenzes? [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 21:56]
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:57 - Jul 13 with 623 views | Chrisd |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:51 - Jul 13 by bluelagos |
So you are hardly an impartial person to comment on the lack of accountability demonstrated over many years by a whole series of police forces.
Just because they have processes doesnt mean they are effective in holding the police to account for their actions.
Are you aware who was the most senior Met officer in charge when they killed JC DeMenzes? [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 21:56]
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So you are more qualified and a better judge because you know nothing about what they have to deal with and the accountability they actually face, but the fact you are ranting about it means you know all the ins and out?! Ok, then. Think I’ll finish there. 🙄 | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:01 - Jul 13 with 620 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:57 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
So you are more qualified and a better judge because you know nothing about what they have to deal with and the accountability they actually face, but the fact you are ranting about it means you know all the ins and out?! Ok, then. Think I’ll finish there. 🙄 |
I currently have 5 outstanding complaints with the Iopc who have been invesitigating complaints I first made in 2014 against officers from 2 police forces. I know quite a bit about how the police are held to account (or not). | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:04 - Jul 13 with 613 views | jeera |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:57 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
So you are more qualified and a better judge because you know nothing about what they have to deal with and the accountability they actually face, but the fact you are ranting about it means you know all the ins and out?! Ok, then. Think I’ll finish there. 🙄 |
Bang out of order considering how many times BL has been involved fighting police lies over the course of almost 3 decades.
It's you who's coming across as thinking you know it all.
I know from personal experience how corrupt elements of the police are, but that is getting off topic. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 22:05]
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:09 - Jul 13 with 596 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:04 - Jul 13 by jeera |
Bang out of order considering how many times BL has been involved fighting police lies over the course of almost 3 decades.
It's you who's coming across as thinking you know it all.
I know from personal experience how corrupt elements of the police are, but that is getting off topic. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 22:05]
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I'll cut him some slack and assume he knows nothing of my experiences dealing with corrupt dishonest police Jeera.
Natural that someone will be protective of their partner's uniform, even when it's becoming increasing clear their operation was woeful.
Cheers for having my back though, appreciated. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:10 - Jul 13 with 595 views | TractorWood |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 21:57 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
So you are more qualified and a better judge because you know nothing about what they have to deal with and the accountability they actually face, but the fact you are ranting about it means you know all the ins and out?! Ok, then. Think I’ll finish there. 🙄 |
Lagos has experienced horrific stuff first hand and has fought it valiantly and with great dignity. |  |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:17 - Jul 13 with 569 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:10 - Jul 13 by TractorWood |
Lagos has experienced horrific stuff first hand and has fought it valiantly and with great dignity. |
Enough. I hate a pile on and am sure ChrisD is unaware of my expereinces. Am also sure he is protective of his wife's job, which is no bad thing in itself. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:33 - Jul 13 with 545 views | Chrisd |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:17 - Jul 13 by bluelagos |
Enough. I hate a pile on and am sure ChrisD is unaware of my expereinces. Am also sure he is protective of his wife's job, which is no bad thing in itself. |
Apologies Blue Lagos for not knowing your personal circumstances, but naturally I’m going to support my wife - I’m sure many others would do the same on here - especially as I get it first hand with what she deals with on a daily basis through her own experiences. That’s not being arrogant like others are suggesting about my comments that’s coming from her and what she has to deal with, with the job she has. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 22:39]
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:36 - Jul 13 with 541 views | bluelagos |
| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 22:33 - Jul 13 by Chrisd |
Apologies Blue Lagos for not knowing your personal circumstances, but naturally I’m going to support my wife - I’m sure many others would do the same on here - especially as I get it first hand with what she deals with on a daily basis through her own experiences. That’s not being arrogant like others are suggesting about my comments that’s coming from her and what she has to deal with, with the job she has. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 22:39]
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No worries.
On another occasion we can debate how effective we think police accountability is. Suspect we won't agree but that's fine,
Cheers for coming back too. | |
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| The Met Police respond to criticism of Sunday night's policing at Wembley... on 18:36 - Jul 14 with 391 views | bluelagos |
So the Police Fed rep was on the radio earlier and apparently the failure to adequately police the disorder outside the stadium was the fault of Wembley, for not asking the police for help earlier.
I genuinely haven't made that up. | |
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