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I see that a few brands are making these claims - yet I can't help but feel it is merely a ploy to drum up sales and stimulate spending. Am I being overly cynical?
I would suggest we have gone way beyond the point where someone could tell you to stop digging.
Almost everyone knows that the warnings about the consequences of brexit were dismissed by your sort..... "project fear, baa baa". The reality is that the UK has lost access to hundreds of thousands of EU workers, whose flexibility in the labour market was one of it's strengths
Even those well aware of what would happen in that regard were never going to be able to bypass the bureaucratic and costly visa requirements. They were never going to be able to bypass the red tape and restrictions put in place at UK ports by Brexit either. And they still can't now - hence the ever growing number of shortages.
And it is only you, and nutters posting comments in the Daily Mail who are trying to defend their betters and brexit by peddling this absurd blame game.
First it was 'lefties' encouraging youngsters to educate themselves beyond their true station in life (as you would have it). It is now the fault of producers, packers, distributors, haulage, shops, hoteliers, farmers, bars etc for not preparing for events which ................. they were told would not happen. (see clip below)
And even if they did try to prepare, their hands were tied with the crippling over regulation and barriers Brexit has brought about. But I am sure there will be (yet) another twist, about face as we are told how the blame now lies at yet another door.
As to your political allegiance, I would suggest that anyone reading your desperate and contradictory old tosh wouldn't need much in the way of study to work out where your sympathies lie.
In that light, maybe you and others of a similar mindset could stand outside of colleges/unis and separate off those students who your sort deem are not fit to be educated and so should be taken away to work at 'working class' jobs they have tried to avoid.
Maybe a quick check on their accent might help you.
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Christmas Shortage Warnin on 22:11 - Sep 8 with 1969 views
Christmas Shortage Warnin on 20:14 - Sep 7 by Bluedicea
Look mate. You obviously are completely unbalanced. As I have stated numerous times to you, I was a remainer, the only 2 parties I have ever voted for are Labour and Greens. Do you similarly abuse every black person that has a view that is slightly different from your warped hatred of anyone that doesn't instantly agree with you?
Your posts show you are clearly having some sort of meltdown, I am concerned for you and I honestly don't want to engage with someone so full of vile hate and pure BS. So my suggestion mate, go outside for a walk, calm yourself down, try some meditation or something.
Once you have calmed down I don't mind helping you understand how economics works in a reasoned discussion, but the continued aggressive name calling, hate filled excerpts is just not my thing.
So toodle pip!
Are you an economist, Bluedicea?
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Christmas Shortage Warnin on 22:27 - Sep 8 with 1948 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:29 - Sep 8 by HARRY10
I would suggest we have gone way beyond the point where someone could tell you to stop digging.
Almost everyone knows that the warnings about the consequences of brexit were dismissed by your sort..... "project fear, baa baa". The reality is that the UK has lost access to hundreds of thousands of EU workers, whose flexibility in the labour market was one of it's strengths
Even those well aware of what would happen in that regard were never going to be able to bypass the bureaucratic and costly visa requirements. They were never going to be able to bypass the red tape and restrictions put in place at UK ports by Brexit either. And they still can't now - hence the ever growing number of shortages.
And it is only you, and nutters posting comments in the Daily Mail who are trying to defend their betters and brexit by peddling this absurd blame game.
First it was 'lefties' encouraging youngsters to educate themselves beyond their true station in life (as you would have it). It is now the fault of producers, packers, distributors, haulage, shops, hoteliers, farmers, bars etc for not preparing for events which ................. they were told would not happen. (see clip below)
And even if they did try to prepare, their hands were tied with the crippling over regulation and barriers Brexit has brought about. But I am sure there will be (yet) another twist, about face as we are told how the blame now lies at yet another door.
As to your political allegiance, I would suggest that anyone reading your desperate and contradictory old tosh wouldn't need much in the way of study to work out where your sympathies lie.
In that light, maybe you and others of a similar mindset could stand outside of colleges/unis and separate off those students who your sort deem are not fit to be educated and so should be taken away to work at 'working class' jobs they have tried to avoid.
Maybe a quick check on their accent might help you.
12th time of saying it. I was against leaving the EU, this is just becoming boring and tiresome.
Once again please stop putting words in my mouth. I have not blamed anyone, what I said was people didn't plan ahead of time, and that's why they are having issues. Your desperate need to find someone to blame for every single problem, is just insane. Why do you feel the need to start a witch hunt at every obstacle in the road, is it because you are scared and lost in this world and so lash out at every challenge because it scares you and presenting a offensive attack on others covers you inadequacies?
As I have said many times in my life, Education is key, if you don't push yourself to learn every day, you are just wasting your potential. So please stop trying to smear me with lies. I said people would rather get further education than do manual labour or working class jobs. That is what is known as a statement of fact, it is a very well established fact over the centuries more and more people have found a way out of poverty through education and this is a good thing, I have never, and would never, say otherwise as I am very well educated and it's because of that I have a good job, which allows me to help others too.
Really strange because as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas, so they would not be affected by the new rules and could carry on doing the good work they had for years. We planned ahead, because we knew what was coming, we had several different plans in place due to the length of time it took to sort out those rules. Covid caused us more problems than Brexit did, because it was an unexpected change so couldn't really be planned for.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnin on 22:39 - Sep 8 with 1936 views
Christmas Shortage Warnin on 22:11 - Sep 8 by CoachRob
Are you an economist, Bluedicea?
Sorry no, I'm not that smart. I studied socioeconomics for nearly a year but dropped out due to family problems. It gave me an understanding and has been useful in my life, but I changed what I wanted to do so didn't re study it.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:51 - Sep 8 with 1908 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 22:28 - Sep 8 by Bluedicea
12th time of saying it. I was against leaving the EU, this is just becoming boring and tiresome.
Once again please stop putting words in my mouth. I have not blamed anyone, what I said was people didn't plan ahead of time, and that's why they are having issues. Your desperate need to find someone to blame for every single problem, is just insane. Why do you feel the need to start a witch hunt at every obstacle in the road, is it because you are scared and lost in this world and so lash out at every challenge because it scares you and presenting a offensive attack on others covers you inadequacies?
As I have said many times in my life, Education is key, if you don't push yourself to learn every day, you are just wasting your potential. So please stop trying to smear me with lies. I said people would rather get further education than do manual labour or working class jobs. That is what is known as a statement of fact, it is a very well established fact over the centuries more and more people have found a way out of poverty through education and this is a good thing, I have never, and would never, say otherwise as I am very well educated and it's because of that I have a good job, which allows me to help others too.
Really strange because as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas, so they would not be affected by the new rules and could carry on doing the good work they had for years. We planned ahead, because we knew what was coming, we had several different plans in place due to the length of time it took to sort out those rules. Covid caused us more problems than Brexit did, because it was an unexpected change so couldn't really be planned for.
There are whirling dervishes with a more sedate position that you occupy on this thread.
We now have education is good - not a bad thing that has supposedly encouraged so many youngsters to have ideas above their station.
"Really strange because as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas"
Whereas, most will know that visas were not needed for EU workers when you heard about Brexit - 2015. They then could not be applied for until around early 2020.
However, the flaw in your absurd guff is that there was always a constant churn in migrant labour - which required a constant flow of new migrant workers. Much as with the armed forces, where those retiring or leaving are replaced by new recruits. What Brexit has done is simply blocked that recruitment into the UK labour market.
If you had the slightest idea about any of this, you would be aware that the minimum salary threshold is around £25,000 which is above what the jobs, that are currently not being filled, pay.
" I have not blamed anyone" or "because the labour is there it just doesn't want to do it. "
"The problem are with people being elitist and thinking they deserve something easy and are not prepared to get on with a real job"
"We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country"
"most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs"
"we have a system in this country that puts down the working class and manual labour/physically demanding jobs"
"but they are only looking for non labour jobs"
all of which would suggest you are quite happy to apportion blame - albeit in a desperate attempt to distract grom the real cause.... brexit
however, some progress is being made with you as you recently gave us this "the last 18 months, so many EU nationals would have returned home during this period " infortunately as with your complete lack of knowledge re the visa system you seem blissfully away that the problem is not that those workers went home, but they are others can no longer get back into the UK...... a direct result of brexit
likewise you haven't the slightest idea of how this wotks - many migrant workers come over for a specific job, unviversity students will do summer fruit picking work but will not be able to continue after September, much as many in the hospitality industry, which fits as both are predominately seasonal (summer)........others will be looking for long term work in food production etc
thanks to the salary levels required none can now come to the UK to work
so until you righties stop making up stuff like anti-vaxxers we will have these lies continuing to spread and cause unrest
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 00:43 - Sep 9 with 1885 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 00:05 - Sep 9 by HARRY10
There are whirling dervishes with a more sedate position that you occupy on this thread.
We now have education is good - not a bad thing that has supposedly encouraged so many youngsters to have ideas above their station.
"Really strange because as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas"
Whereas, most will know that visas were not needed for EU workers when you heard about Brexit - 2015. They then could not be applied for until around early 2020.
However, the flaw in your absurd guff is that there was always a constant churn in migrant labour - which required a constant flow of new migrant workers. Much as with the armed forces, where those retiring or leaving are replaced by new recruits. What Brexit has done is simply blocked that recruitment into the UK labour market.
If you had the slightest idea about any of this, you would be aware that the minimum salary threshold is around £25,000 which is above what the jobs, that are currently not being filled, pay.
" I have not blamed anyone" or "because the labour is there it just doesn't want to do it. "
"The problem are with people being elitist and thinking they deserve something easy and are not prepared to get on with a real job"
"We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country"
"most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs"
"we have a system in this country that puts down the working class and manual labour/physically demanding jobs"
"but they are only looking for non labour jobs"
all of which would suggest you are quite happy to apportion blame - albeit in a desperate attempt to distract grom the real cause.... brexit
however, some progress is being made with you as you recently gave us this "the last 18 months, so many EU nationals would have returned home during this period " infortunately as with your complete lack of knowledge re the visa system you seem blissfully away that the problem is not that those workers went home, but they are others can no longer get back into the UK...... a direct result of brexit
likewise you haven't the slightest idea of how this wotks - many migrant workers come over for a specific job, unviversity students will do summer fruit picking work but will not be able to continue after September, much as many in the hospitality industry, which fits as both are predominately seasonal (summer)........others will be looking for long term work in food production etc
thanks to the salary levels required none can now come to the UK to work
so until you righties stop making up stuff like anti-vaxxers we will have these lies continuing to spread and cause unrest
Describing a situation in society, isn't the same as apportioning blame onto a specific person, institution, or group. Which is what you are doing. I have merely pointed out the realities of the situations. If I was to blame anything or anyone, I would squarely lay the blame on you, on myself, on every twtder here, because it's society's fault and we are all part of that whether we agree with directions it takes or not, because it's in our power to change things we want to change.
Regarding the Visas, I'm a reasonably smart person, I guessed/presumed they would need to be sorted out. So I looked into it, as I said we developed several different plans over the years in preparation for it. It's not rocket science. EDIT: as a note of point, we actually have a few people who are from outside the EU, so we had to check those too. It's called prudence, or being prepared.
There are very many more extremely important and pressing issues than Brexit. Yet you seem to want to die on that hill, rather than get on and change the world for the better. Aren't you appalled at what's going on in Afghanistan, in Myanmar, people are dying, but no you'd rather keep banging on about righties and lefties and Brexit is the worst thing in the world ever.
As I said before, grow up, grow a pair and do something positive to change the world for the better. Brexit is over, we lost, it's time to move on.
[Post edited 9 Sep 2021 4:04]
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 00:43 - Sep 9 by Bluedicea
Describing a situation in society, isn't the same as apportioning blame onto a specific person, institution, or group. Which is what you are doing. I have merely pointed out the realities of the situations. If I was to blame anything or anyone, I would squarely lay the blame on you, on myself, on every twtder here, because it's society's fault and we are all part of that whether we agree with directions it takes or not, because it's in our power to change things we want to change.
Regarding the Visas, I'm a reasonably smart person, I guessed/presumed they would need to be sorted out. So I looked into it, as I said we developed several different plans over the years in preparation for it. It's not rocket science. EDIT: as a note of point, we actually have a few people who are from outside the EU, so we had to check those too. It's called prudence, or being prepared.
There are very many more extremely important and pressing issues than Brexit. Yet you seem to want to die on that hill, rather than get on and change the world for the better. Aren't you appalled at what's going on in Afghanistan, in Myanmar, people are dying, but no you'd rather keep banging on about righties and lefties and Brexit is the worst thing in the world ever.
As I said before, grow up, grow a pair and do something positive to change the world for the better. Brexit is over, we lost, it's time to move on.
[Post edited 9 Sep 2021 4:04]
"Problems that could be solved by rejoining the EU"?
Is that OK in your "move on" world?
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 01:21 - Sep 9 with 1870 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 00:57 - Sep 9 by XYZ
"Problems that could be solved by rejoining the EU"?
Is that OK in your "move on" world?
I give it a decade, maybe 15 years and we'll be back in or at least on the way to it, at least I hope we can go back. But I'm also intrigued to see if what we are doing does eventually work better, I only hope it does because I don't want to see people suffer and currently the only way I see us going back in is because it ends up a massive failure, which would be far more devastating to people lives.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 02:33 - Sep 9 with 1849 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 01:21 - Sep 9 by Bluedicea
I give it a decade, maybe 15 years and we'll be back in or at least on the way to it, at least I hope we can go back. But I'm also intrigued to see if what we are doing does eventually work better, I only hope it does because I don't want to see people suffer and currently the only way I see us going back in is because it ends up a massive failure, which would be far more devastating to people lives.
It's already a massive failure.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 03:36 - Sep 9 with 1841 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 02:33 - Sep 9 by XYZ
It's already a massive failure.
Not true, it's started badly but it's early days, only time will tell us if ends up goodor bad. You're thinking too much like chicken little. Take Ipswich for example, it looks good but isn't working well yet, give it more time to come good.
Why do so few people have patience, you can only judge something when you have a large enough dataset to work from, the effects of Brexit won't be fully understood for at least 4 or 5 years. Only then can it be judged to be a failure or not, the season and team can't be judged a failure at 5 games in.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 06:29 - Sep 9 with 1793 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 03:36 - Sep 9 by Bluedicea
Not true, it's started badly but it's early days, only time will tell us if ends up goodor bad. You're thinking too much like chicken little. Take Ipswich for example, it looks good but isn't working well yet, give it more time to come good.
Why do so few people have patience, you can only judge something when you have a large enough dataset to work from, the effects of Brexit won't be fully understood for at least 4 or 5 years. Only then can it be judged to be a failure or not, the season and team can't be judged a failure at 5 games in.
5 games in we’re starting to get a hint, a bit like Brexit.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 11:50 - Sep 9 with 1701 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 00:43 - Sep 9 by Bluedicea
Describing a situation in society, isn't the same as apportioning blame onto a specific person, institution, or group. Which is what you are doing. I have merely pointed out the realities of the situations. If I was to blame anything or anyone, I would squarely lay the blame on you, on myself, on every twtder here, because it's society's fault and we are all part of that whether we agree with directions it takes or not, because it's in our power to change things we want to change.
Regarding the Visas, I'm a reasonably smart person, I guessed/presumed they would need to be sorted out. So I looked into it, as I said we developed several different plans over the years in preparation for it. It's not rocket science. EDIT: as a note of point, we actually have a few people who are from outside the EU, so we had to check those too. It's called prudence, or being prepared.
There are very many more extremely important and pressing issues than Brexit. Yet you seem to want to die on that hill, rather than get on and change the world for the better. Aren't you appalled at what's going on in Afghanistan, in Myanmar, people are dying, but no you'd rather keep banging on about righties and lefties and Brexit is the worst thing in the world ever.
As I said before, grow up, grow a pair and do something positive to change the world for the better. Brexit is over, we lost, it's time to move on.
[Post edited 9 Sep 2021 4:04]
Brexit isn't really over though. In Scotland there are still massive projects and jobs reliant on a continuation of European Union involvement. Go over to Northern Ireland and the continuation is stronger still, not just in project work but in the very fabric of trade making a compliance with European Union methods unavoidable.
" as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas, so they would not be affected by the new rules and could carry on doing the good work they had for years. "
"searched for recruits last year so he would have had a pool of labour he could then convince to come back this year. "
you haven't a clue about any of this have you - you are just making it up as you go
the visa requirements do not affect EU migrants who were, and are, already working in the EU - that is a pretty basic fact, as were it not then we would be seeing migrant workers being deported
odd you didn't know that
it is not about convincing migrants to return anyone either, it is about the wage threshold (£25,000) being above what the jobs are offering - therefore blocking those jobs from being filled
odd you didn't know that
I should imagine most on here have now seen through you and your ignorance of this and your constant contradictions - but do continue, it is a source of amusement
you are a Paul Nuttall of notre jours (as the Welsh would say)
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:05 - Sep 9 with 1609 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 06:29 - Sep 9 by solomon
5 games in we’re starting to get a hint, a bit like Brexit.
That's very true, the signs are there already. But as always, we don't know what will happen tomorrow, or in the next game. We can only speculate on the data available, more time, more data, better understanding and clearer picture.
Going on the data so far, Ipswich will continue to play really good football but we won't ever win a game. At this point it's a concern, just like Brexit. But at 10 games in(with some wins I hope), we will be able to have more precise idea of how it's going. Same with Brexit, the first year or 2 is the gelling period, things should work but aren't. So by year 3 we should see if it's good or bad, if good then fine, if it's bad then changes need to be made. So it's by year 5 you know if those changes have done good or not.
The problem with humans, and it's got worse since instant communication became standard, is we tend to think and look at the short term the next few weeks or months. But when you're talking about economies and such the scale is usually in the decades because they involve so many different moving parts. That's why few of us can really understand the subject, because that sort of long term thinking and planning is more alien to our thoughts.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:16 - Sep 9 with 1596 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 11:50 - Sep 9 by WeWereZombies
Brexit isn't really over though. In Scotland there are still massive projects and jobs reliant on a continuation of European Union involvement. Go over to Northern Ireland and the continuation is stronger still, not just in project work but in the very fabric of trade making a compliance with European Union methods unavoidable.
I understand what you mean. Brexit will be with us for years but it has already happened, we are now living in the framework of Brexit, so while yes it's over and in the past, we are still having to adjust to that change and will for a while. It's like that extra money Bojo promised we should have from leaving the EU, we do have it, but it's being spent on the stuff that the EU used to fund, so it hasn't really changed anything. Bojo didn't really lie about it, he just wasn't honest and fully truthful about it, which is the same thing but isn't. (How many of us have told a story but neglected to give our full details because we want people to focus on the other part not us) It's why I hate politics, and people like Harry10 annoy me. Is because yes they are being truthful in some of what they say, they are just manipulating and using certain facts to push their own agenda, rather than providing all the facts.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:52 - Sep 9 with 1570 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 14:04 - Sep 9 by HARRY10
it gets worse
" as soon as we heard about Brexit, we looked into changing several employees contracts and visas, so they would not be affected by the new rules and could carry on doing the good work they had for years. "
"searched for recruits last year so he would have had a pool of labour he could then convince to come back this year. "
you haven't a clue about any of this have you - you are just making it up as you go
the visa requirements do not affect EU migrants who were, and are, already working in the EU - that is a pretty basic fact, as were it not then we would be seeing migrant workers being deported
odd you didn't know that
it is not about convincing migrants to return anyone either, it is about the wage threshold (£25,000) being above what the jobs are offering - therefore blocking those jobs from being filled
odd you didn't know that
I should imagine most on here have now seen through you and your ignorance of this and your constant contradictions - but do continue, it is a source of amusement
you are a Paul Nuttall of notre jours (as the Welsh would say)
Manipulative knee jerk reaction from you, what a suprise......
I'm an ideas man mostly, so when I said we, I wasn't just being polite, I meant it. We had a meeting about it, a month after the the confirmation we lost Brexit vote. In that meeting I suggested to our human resources manager " if it's going to go the way I think it will, you will have to look into the Visa needs and status for our nurses, doctors and carers, because I will get seriously upset if we lose people like blank, who has done more for people in this country than those (expletive) idiots in the out camp" . I got a reprimand for that, as someone in the meeting got offended.
Did I know the income limit, vaguely, I'm sure it was mentioned I just didn't know offhand what it was but I knew there was one. Did I know whether they would need visas or not, or would anything change, yes because I'm smart enough to know the right wing government want more control over immigration, so to look at the process is essential to retain the staff we want.
You claim not to be a bigot, yet your focus on only migrant workers shows you refuse to think of others. When I said "searched for recruits last year so he could have pool of workers to try this year" I meant just that, WORKERS, white, black, pink, green, UK EU, Aus...... Whereas you think he should only employ migrant workers from the EU, why is that you elitist, are UK workers not good enough to employ as manual labour????
Your hypocrisy is beyond a joke now. The time and effort you have wasted into trying to bully, berate, insult, and have the final word so it doesn't look like you lost the discussion, would be much better spent living a life, helping people, starting a revolution to shape the future of the world. But by all means continue to master bate to yourself, in your parents basement, while telling yourself you're the world's greatest person because you won the internet.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:54 - Sep 9 with 1567 views
"It's why I hate politics, and people like Harry10 annoy me. Is because yes they are being truthful in some of what they say, they are just manipulating and using certain facts to push their own agenda, rather than providing all the facts. "
There's a simple answer to that.
Refute what I have said with evidence that does that.
Maybe start by telling us why you had not a clue about how the visa system works, yet claimed to have used it to prepare 'your' workforce. Give an example where I have 'manipulated' a fact - and why you have not pointed it out.
So far, you have backtracked on your earlier claim of the current labour shortage not being down to Brexit. You have tried to weasel out of saying that 'lefties' have encouraged youngsters to believe they are better than manual labour. You have also consistently avoided answering the point about why unemployed brexiteers have not filled the vacant jobs.
Furthermore, you have posted up numerous smears making allegations relating to what I never said - and have littered your posts with derogatory comments about my supposed mental health etc
I have simply put up the facts that are pertinent. No one has stopped you putting up your 'facts', except you. The evidence is there for all to read
So lets have these facts of yours, starting with a quote from any of my posts that back your claim " if you swear, troll, abuse me or call me an idiot again " - or perhaps we could start with an apology from you admitting that you lied as I never said/did ANY of this, as we both know. As does anyone who has read, or bothers to read this thread
Because part of the integrity of this or any other forum is that people do not lie about what another poster has posted. Disagree, dispute and challenge anything that has been said, but lying by making up what they have not said undermines much of what a forum is about - and that has been what you have done consistently on this thread (as shown).
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:55 - Sep 9 with 1566 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:16 - Sep 9 by Bluedicea
I understand what you mean. Brexit will be with us for years but it has already happened, we are now living in the framework of Brexit, so while yes it's over and in the past, we are still having to adjust to that change and will for a while. It's like that extra money Bojo promised we should have from leaving the EU, we do have it, but it's being spent on the stuff that the EU used to fund, so it hasn't really changed anything. Bojo didn't really lie about it, he just wasn't honest and fully truthful about it, which is the same thing but isn't. (How many of us have told a story but neglected to give our full details because we want people to focus on the other part not us) It's why I hate politics, and people like Harry10 annoy me. Is because yes they are being truthful in some of what they say, they are just manipulating and using certain facts to push their own agenda, rather than providing all the facts.
No, what I mean is that two of the four nations in the United Kingdom are partially ignoring Brexit (they also happen to be the two nations who voted to remain in the European Union) and will continue to do so until they either find a way fully back in or Westminster comes up with ways to make Brexit economically and socially viable - which it probably cannot do now that the pandemic has shot the finances to pieces.
So the economics are changing and either maximal devolution or break up of the Union seem to be the only ways to go...or a third way of new alliances with northern partners who have shared interests such as Norway (the most EU regulation adhering nation, despite it not being in the European Union) present themselves. There is a good life to be had, just not in Brexitland.
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:55 - Sep 9 by WeWereZombies
No, what I mean is that two of the four nations in the United Kingdom are partially ignoring Brexit (they also happen to be the two nations who voted to remain in the European Union) and will continue to do so until they either find a way fully back in or Westminster comes up with ways to make Brexit economically and socially viable - which it probably cannot do now that the pandemic has shot the finances to pieces.
So the economics are changing and either maximal devolution or break up of the Union seem to be the only ways to go...or a third way of new alliances with northern partners who have shared interests such as Norway (the most EU regulation adhering nation, despite it not being in the European Union) present themselves. There is a good life to be had, just not in Brexitland.
Apologies. Make that all 4 nations, England is still receiving EU funds for certain projects, just as the UK is still funding certain EU projects. That's a whole kettle of fish, as contracts for projects can only be broken by going through the courts, or if they are broken, which is costly and it's easier to just let most of them run and renegotiate at the termed points.
An interesting point. It's my belief, the EU will change itself in the future. The plans for Europe are slow going, but without us in it anymore, there is hopes that a US style EU will progress faster.
The world maps are all going to change at some point soon, with new allies and enemies, Russia and China are both pushing for more. The Danes have recently rebuffed several offers from China, Russia, USA, Canada to sell Greenland to each of them. America no longer cares about the middle east, as they have been losing ground in the Pacific the last few years so need to protect that. Several countries are powder kegs, just need a spark to set them off into either a revolution or crackdown(a la Afghanistan/Myanmar). And someone has to convince them all that if we don't act soon, we're going to end up killing ourselves off soon enough through the environment damage we've already done.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 22:06 - Sep 9 with 1531 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:54 - Sep 9 by HARRY10
"It's why I hate politics, and people like Harry10 annoy me. Is because yes they are being truthful in some of what they say, they are just manipulating and using certain facts to push their own agenda, rather than providing all the facts. "
There's a simple answer to that.
Refute what I have said with evidence that does that.
Maybe start by telling us why you had not a clue about how the visa system works, yet claimed to have used it to prepare 'your' workforce. Give an example where I have 'manipulated' a fact - and why you have not pointed it out.
So far, you have backtracked on your earlier claim of the current labour shortage not being down to Brexit. You have tried to weasel out of saying that 'lefties' have encouraged youngsters to believe they are better than manual labour. You have also consistently avoided answering the point about why unemployed brexiteers have not filled the vacant jobs.
Furthermore, you have posted up numerous smears making allegations relating to what I never said - and have littered your posts with derogatory comments about my supposed mental health etc
I have simply put up the facts that are pertinent. No one has stopped you putting up your 'facts', except you. The evidence is there for all to read
So lets have these facts of yours, starting with a quote from any of my posts that back your claim " if you swear, troll, abuse me or call me an idiot again " - or perhaps we could start with an apology from you admitting that you lied as I never said/did ANY of this, as we both know. As does anyone who has read, or bothers to read this thread
Because part of the integrity of this or any other forum is that people do not lie about what another poster has posted. Disagree, dispute and challenge anything that has been said, but lying by making up what they have not said undermines much of what a forum is about - and that has been what you have done consistently on this thread (as shown).
You are obviously incapable of reading as I have several times already.
I have refuted, and so have several other posters, most of what you have said, but because you think you're smarter than everyone else here, you keep coming back to pick apart a few isolated words, taken out of all context, to try and show how you are right and I'm just a nasty, nasty man.
I have no clue about Visas because it's not my department. I don't work in human resources or for the home office, so whilst I am part of a team that makes decisions, we rely on specialists in the field to do the work.
Unless you think that a business man or woman should know and be able to carry out operations on people because they work in company that provides it.
No not at all. I will state it again because I haven't backtracked on anything. Brexit isn't responsible for the labour shortage, the reason there is a labour shortage is because the workers we do have that could fill the roles currently don't want to.
The posts are there for all to read. You were also cautioned by a moderator for the way you were talking to me, because said moderator replied to the reports of abuse you had been giving me.
I have only questioned your intelligence and suggested you were insane, in the replies of which you did the same and were being abusive towards me. All my other posts are quite informative and discuss things in a calm professional manner. You see I treat everyone with respect, if they choose to talk to me in an abusive way, I will add a little to mine, because to talk with some people, you have to go down to their level, so they can understand, whereas you do it to try and pull people into losing their temper so you can then claim the moral victory of 'look how nasty he is'. It's called baiting, and as a black man I've faced more of it in my life than you ever will.
Funny to see you talk of integrity, do you even understand what it means? The way you have switched tacks and disregarded things you have previously written, shows you either don't understand it or have no respect for it.
But please do reply, as you have to have the final word, to show you won. We have strayed so far from the topic under discussion, because each time you keep dragging us further away, in your quest to be right about something, anything because you are desperate to be able to say. "Hey look everyone, I was right, I won the internet!!"
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 22:35 - Sep 9 with 1514 views
"I have refuted, and so have several other posters, most of what you have said"
Nope that is just you lying again - but do free to give evidence to prove either claim.
"I have refuted, and so have several other posters, most of what you have sad"
Whereas you previously stated what you had done - backtracking now because it has been shown you lied, yet again.
I have never claimed to be smarter than everyone, another of your lies. And Brexit has caused a labour shortage, only you seem to imagine it hasn't
"suggested you were insane, in the replies of which you did the same and were being abusive towards me"
another lie, which despite my requests you have consistently failed to quote where I have said that
so here is your chance - quote where I said you were insane and where I was abusive
as the reality is that having being caught out consistently you are trying to weasel your way out by distraction
an interesting clip shows why it is important to expose those who would lie and misrepresent as, Delingpole was always regarded as one of the brains' behind Brexit - yet when (finally) challenged you can see how his nonsense is so easily exposed
they lie, I reply
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:36 - Sep 9 with 1492 views
Christmas Shortage Warnings on 22:35 - Sep 9 by HARRY10
"I have refuted, and so have several other posters, most of what you have said"
Nope that is just you lying again - but do free to give evidence to prove either claim.
"I have refuted, and so have several other posters, most of what you have sad"
Whereas you previously stated what you had done - backtracking now because it has been shown you lied, yet again.
I have never claimed to be smarter than everyone, another of your lies. And Brexit has caused a labour shortage, only you seem to imagine it hasn't
"suggested you were insane, in the replies of which you did the same and were being abusive towards me"
another lie, which despite my requests you have consistently failed to quote where I have said that
so here is your chance - quote where I said you were insane and where I was abusive
as the reality is that having being caught out consistently you are trying to weasel your way out by distraction
an interesting clip shows why it is important to expose those who would lie and misrepresent as, Delingpole was always regarded as one of the brains' behind Brexit - yet when (finally) challenged you can see how his nonsense is so easily exposed
they lie, I reply
More manipulations
I never said you claimed to be smarter. I said you think you are smarter which is an entirely different thing as you well know. So you manipulate my words so you can then pounce on it and go ' Ha, he's wrong, I'm right' And considering it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion you lost, you think everyone will see you as a hero(?) and were right about everything.
I extrapolated that you think this way from the way you are constantly attacking and changing tacks to attack something else each time you fail, it shows a desire and need to prove you are smarter than the other person because you just can't let something go until you win. You just don't realise how ridiculous you are being and appearing.
This was 2 pages of discussion, and then 4 pages of you trying every single post to insult and upset me so I respond with anger, which I didn't, so you then started to deconstruct my sentences and pull out phrases that you thought were your best chance at proving one thing I said was wrong, when that failed it was insults again, and finally were back again with you trying to prove there was something I said that was inaccurate, which is failing miserably.
So please stop trying to attack me. If you have anything to add to the discussion the thread was about, then go ahead, but the last 25 posts from you have been more about attacking my character and views, than it has about progressing the discussion in this thread. You keep replying to me despite me asking you not to if you were going to continue attacking me, it is beyond a joke now, and quite frankly I am fully aware I should just have put you on ignore a dozen posts ago, because bigots never change their spots, but I thought I'd give you enough rope, which going by the messages I've received, most already know you are just a troll full of BS.
What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.
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Christmas Shortage Warnings on 14:37 - Sep 10 with 1385 views
"The figures came as business leaders sounded the alarm over the economic recovery as a shortage of workers and materials fuels the worst supply chain meltdown since the 1970s, threatening to delay the UK’s economic recovery from Covid-19.
Alpesh Paleja, the lead economist at the CBI lobby group, said temporary, targeted interventions from the government were needed to enable businesses to keep their doors open, including relaxing post-Brexit migration rules to help companies hire workers."
elsewhere
"Ian Wright, chief executive of the Food and Drink Federation, said the days when UK consumers could pick up almost any product they like are over.
"The result of the labour shortages is that the just-in-time system that has sustained supermarkets, convenience stores and restaurants - so the food has arrived on shelf or in the kitchen, just when you need it - is no longer working,” he said. “And I don't think it will work again, I think we will see we are now in for permanent shortages.”
and
"Some UK farmers have been told to throw away milk because of a shortage of lorry drivers to collect it, while one dairy logistics firm warned of a “collapse of parts of the supply chain”.
The National Farmers' Union (NFU) said that while most farms were "just about surviving" the current lack of drivers was unsustainable and urgent action was needed to prevent more serious problems with food deliveries"[vb]
Go back a month or so and you will recall righties telling us there were no shortages, and when it was seen there were.... they were temporary. Whereas the reality, coming from right across the board, is that the shortages are set to get worse, and will continue to do so.
The dismantling of Brexit needs to be accelerated. Another delay of checks on food imports in October is merely putting off dealing with the slow and systematic 'destruction' of UK business/trade.
"British food and drink exports to the EU fell by £2bn in the first three months of 2021, with sales of dairy products plummeting by 90%, according to an analysis of HMRC data.
“The loss of £2bn of exports to the EU is a disaster for our industry, and is a very clear indication of the scale of losses that UK manufacturers face in the longer-term due to new trade barriers with the EU,” said Dominic Goudie, the head of international trade at the Food and Drink Federation (FDF)."
And as seen, those markets are being lost permanently as EU businesses continue to source those goods from local suppliers. Easier and cheaper, as they now avoid the costly delays and red tape Brexit has imposed.
At a time when the UK has record numbers of food banks and food shortages in the shops, farmers are having to pour milk down the drain and let fruit/veg rot in the fields - all the time while producers are finding it increasingly difficult to sell into the EU. How many of the above will fold, handing business to the EU ?
Fishing, especially shellfish, have shown the way this brexit lunacy is taking the country. Week after week, the brexit lies are being exposed - at painful cost to us all.
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