| Christmas Shortage Warnings 08:10 - Sep 4 with 12980 views | wkj |
I see that a few brands are making these claims - yet I can't help but feel it is merely a ploy to drum up sales and stimulate spending. Am I being overly cynical? |  |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:31 - Sep 5 with 1660 views | Bluedicea |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:26 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
When you say large retailers are you talking about the likes of Tesco etc?
When we were talking with Ocado they wanted us to have some system in place that their system spoke to our system every night so as they sold things it would automatically generate orders to us very regularly - rather than the very old fashioned way of ordering what they think they will want for say a month.
This was about 7 years ago and I think the investment for us was about £50k which we probably wouldn’t have done but it all turned to sh1t anyway.
However - the multiples are also buying FOB and the stock genuinely isn’t coming in. Also, many lines are impossible to ship at the moment because the freight prices have made certain low value products unviable. |
Yeah, it's mostly done by the bigger retailers/wholesalers, because the cost of storage for them are more astronomical than for small businesses, who maybe only sell a few 100 of a line each week. There is a lot of trickle down too, which affect the medium and smaller businesses in the same way, they find it harder to source goods as they are more likely to become short stocked and as less infrequent buyers they don't have the priority that larger businesses can enforce when buying products.
The problem was always the JIT method, as it doesn't work if there are issues to supply lines, so increased costs for shipping, shortages of drivers, Brexit, etc. all this does is put pressure onto a weak system, so shortages/breaks in the chain appear.
The system is only good if it works properly, and the fact that we are getting issues yet again in this area, shows the system isn't able to cope with the fluctuations to the supply we currently have. |  |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:37 - Sep 5 with 1649 views | wkj |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 08:36 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Of course the downside of no Christmas boom is that many stores will go bust. These days many businesses rely on Christmas as their life saver, they go all year plodding along and Christmas is the only time they make the bucks.
I think it’s got out of hand but there needs to be a middle ground, aside from my rant about too many presents I think Christmas is a wonderful time.
I don’t fully agree with your staff comments although I accept some of what you say, I guess it’s an employer thing and people should be paid a bonus. Without Christmas a lot of these people would be out of work. |
If you are an all-year-round business and you have to rely on Christmas as a lifesaver, then you have terrible people driving adaptability. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:57 - Sep 5 with 1636 views | Bluedicea |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:37 - Sep 5 by wkj |
If you are an all-year-round business and you have to rely on Christmas as a lifesaver, then you have terrible people driving adaptability. |
Not necessarily, most toy manufacturers are a year round business, but many make up to 40% of their turnover in the Christmas period.
Trading for most businesses can be very seasonal, with peaks and troughs. Most folks tend to make more home furnishing purchases in the autumn, to nest their homes for the winter. Garden equipment and plants drop almost to nothing over the late autumn and winter periods, yet spring they make up to 50% of their turnover.
People are more likely to buy a house in the late spring early summer than any other period in the year(usually).
Seasons affect people's moods and activity levels, more dark chocolate is consumed in winter than the rest of the year, in part because it has certain chemicals in it that boost and elevate the mood and is a good energy source, our bodies know this so we consume more. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 22:08 - Sep 5 with 1624 views | J2BLUE |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 06:19 - Sep 5 by Ely_Blue |
So you’re saying retail should be shut on Boxing Day but those selling pies and pints, stewards, planet blue staff, hospitality hosts/chefs etc are all ok to work at a football match because it’s something that you want to do? |
No, I just knew if I posted about football i'd get crucified! |  |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:03 - Sep 5 with 1579 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 21:57 - Sep 5 by Bluedicea |
Not necessarily, most toy manufacturers are a year round business, but many make up to 40% of their turnover in the Christmas period.
Trading for most businesses can be very seasonal, with peaks and troughs. Most folks tend to make more home furnishing purchases in the autumn, to nest their homes for the winter. Garden equipment and plants drop almost to nothing over the late autumn and winter periods, yet spring they make up to 50% of their turnover.
People are more likely to buy a house in the late spring early summer than any other period in the year(usually).
Seasons affect people's moods and activity levels, more dark chocolate is consumed in winter than the rest of the year, in part because it has certain chemicals in it that boost and elevate the mood and is a good energy source, our bodies know this so we consume more. |
Yeah. You know what you are talking about, that’s for sure.
Garden centres peak sales used to be Easter for plants when the weather warmed up a bit and the bank holiday was the “Easter Avalanche” - now they make more at Christmas with all the gifts, decorations and Christmas Trees. The buyer at Longacres (biggest independent garden centre chain in the country) told me how many trees they sold. I won’t say what the figure was because I genuinely can’t remember but it was mind blowing. I went there last Christmas to have a look and take the Mrs out for the day and the place is incredible. I’m not sure I saw a plant in there, it was all about Christmas, books, games, decorations, they even have butcher and baker units rented out in there. Garden centres are a prime example of adapting, they knew they had the footfall so they have exploited it - same as B&Q in a way by going from DIY into plants and garden stuff - although I will never know how B&Q haven’t gone bust yet as their centres are too big. They were in talks with Morrison’s to split their premises with them but that hasn’t happened and I think Morrison’s have been sold haven’t they?
You know what, I can remember when supermarkets didn’t sell milk, I think we are only talking about the 80,s - then they started and then Ernie bit the dust.
The high street is finished and Covid has accelerated the demise, there was only one man who could of saved it and he’s dead.
Now we are going to see walk in and out Amazon high street stores, in 5 - 10 years time they will be in every town, no queuing, no paying, just face recognition and your goods go on your Amazon account. The supermarkets are scared enough so god knows what is going to happen to the independents, I think the only independents in the long run will be very specialised stores. The worrying thing though is that Amazon have actually no competitor and they are so advanced I can’t see them being challenged anytime soon. They are absolutely unstoppable, they are a juggernaut - and as Freddie said they are out of control. |  |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:55 - Sep 5 with 1542 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:03 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Yeah. You know what you are talking about, that’s for sure.
Garden centres peak sales used to be Easter for plants when the weather warmed up a bit and the bank holiday was the “Easter Avalanche” - now they make more at Christmas with all the gifts, decorations and Christmas Trees. The buyer at Longacres (biggest independent garden centre chain in the country) told me how many trees they sold. I won’t say what the figure was because I genuinely can’t remember but it was mind blowing. I went there last Christmas to have a look and take the Mrs out for the day and the place is incredible. I’m not sure I saw a plant in there, it was all about Christmas, books, games, decorations, they even have butcher and baker units rented out in there. Garden centres are a prime example of adapting, they knew they had the footfall so they have exploited it - same as B&Q in a way by going from DIY into plants and garden stuff - although I will never know how B&Q haven’t gone bust yet as their centres are too big. They were in talks with Morrison’s to split their premises with them but that hasn’t happened and I think Morrison’s have been sold haven’t they?
You know what, I can remember when supermarkets didn’t sell milk, I think we are only talking about the 80,s - then they started and then Ernie bit the dust.
The high street is finished and Covid has accelerated the demise, there was only one man who could of saved it and he’s dead.
Now we are going to see walk in and out Amazon high street stores, in 5 - 10 years time they will be in every town, no queuing, no paying, just face recognition and your goods go on your Amazon account. The supermarkets are scared enough so god knows what is going to happen to the independents, I think the only independents in the long run will be very specialised stores. The worrying thing though is that Amazon have actually no competitor and they are so advanced I can’t see them being challenged anytime soon. They are absolutely unstoppable, they are a juggernaut - and as Freddie said they are out of control. |
As with Tesco and others, things can change dramatically. Not many years back the outer town supermarket seemed unstoppable. People would buy all they (thought) they needed for a week in one go.
We now see that expansion brought to a halt with a number of these shops left with undeveloped sites. I doubt anyone would have predicted the rise of Tesco Express/ Metro etc and the others following. Able to compete with often two or three with close proximity.
Look at cashless payments. I well remember discussing this way back, saying that the average person is not too bright and will happily hand over pretty much all their details if you offer them some worthless bauble. You get a ha'ppeny in the pound at Sainsburys in return for telling them about every single but of your shopping and it's habits in their shop. A numpty family member had not grasped that her pub/club spending habits could be accessed by lord knows who if she used a card.
Shops like B&Q will see sales of goods decrease as the expectation of owning something...lawnmower etc decreases, if only through smaller living space. Likewise with car ownership. The movement is now towards an 'experience' rather than ownership of things.
It is something that has made the absurdity that is HS2 already obsolete a decade before it is hoped it might be partially complete. Saving 20 minutes to move a few people between a very few places is as pointless teaching 20 somethings to be an HGV driver. The requirement is not to move people to places of work, but to move data to people as quickly as possible.
Why should anyone pay a solicitor to rent expensive oak panelled offices in the centre of town when the solicitor can be living anywhere in the UK and accessible via Skype etc ? Much as with doctors, university lectures - even the courts use an internet connection to deal with miscreants.
Vested interests will fight back, as with those owning commercial office space, owning student rental property and such like. However, just as we adapted to the phone, the fax and online shopping so interacting via Skype will become normal practice (unfortunately, the UK in all its stupidity is lagging behind with installing fast fibre broadband. Market and business requirements and pressure will change that attitude).
And among all of this brave new world we will see the sale and consumption of sprouts fade away, just as snuff has  |  | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 01:02 - Sep 6 with 1531 views | Bluedicea |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:03 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Yeah. You know what you are talking about, that’s for sure.
Garden centres peak sales used to be Easter for plants when the weather warmed up a bit and the bank holiday was the “Easter Avalanche” - now they make more at Christmas with all the gifts, decorations and Christmas Trees. The buyer at Longacres (biggest independent garden centre chain in the country) told me how many trees they sold. I won’t say what the figure was because I genuinely can’t remember but it was mind blowing. I went there last Christmas to have a look and take the Mrs out for the day and the place is incredible. I’m not sure I saw a plant in there, it was all about Christmas, books, games, decorations, they even have butcher and baker units rented out in there. Garden centres are a prime example of adapting, they knew they had the footfall so they have exploited it - same as B&Q in a way by going from DIY into plants and garden stuff - although I will never know how B&Q haven’t gone bust yet as their centres are too big. They were in talks with Morrison’s to split their premises with them but that hasn’t happened and I think Morrison’s have been sold haven’t they?
You know what, I can remember when supermarkets didn’t sell milk, I think we are only talking about the 80,s - then they started and then Ernie bit the dust.
The high street is finished and Covid has accelerated the demise, there was only one man who could of saved it and he’s dead.
Now we are going to see walk in and out Amazon high street stores, in 5 - 10 years time they will be in every town, no queuing, no paying, just face recognition and your goods go on your Amazon account. The supermarkets are scared enough so god knows what is going to happen to the independents, I think the only independents in the long run will be very specialised stores. The worrying thing though is that Amazon have actually no competitor and they are so advanced I can’t see them being challenged anytime soon. They are absolutely unstoppable, they are a juggernaut - and as Freddie said they are out of control. |
Fair enough, it's been a few years since I last looked over shopping trends, so things have evolved since. The point still stands though, a large proportion of most business is seasonal, and a lot rely on particular periods for a large proportion of their income.
The high street isn't finished, it has been on the decline for a long time, since the supermarkets started selling everything under one roof on retail parks, now those parks are starting to go out of fashion, but it's smaller independent traders that are slowly increasing on the high street, they offer the uniqueness of what we had before all the retail department stores and retail parks took that personalisation away.
A big cycle, which Amazon has hijacked a little but I don't think they will have the long term need that people want, already people are bored with the novelty of their no pay shops, customer footfall has halved in their shops in the same period that most other supermarkets have increased their footfall. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 07:36 - Sep 6 with 1458 views | WeWereZombies |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 23:03 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Yeah. You know what you are talking about, that’s for sure.
Garden centres peak sales used to be Easter for plants when the weather warmed up a bit and the bank holiday was the “Easter Avalanche” - now they make more at Christmas with all the gifts, decorations and Christmas Trees. The buyer at Longacres (biggest independent garden centre chain in the country) told me how many trees they sold. I won’t say what the figure was because I genuinely can’t remember but it was mind blowing. I went there last Christmas to have a look and take the Mrs out for the day and the place is incredible. I’m not sure I saw a plant in there, it was all about Christmas, books, games, decorations, they even have butcher and baker units rented out in there. Garden centres are a prime example of adapting, they knew they had the footfall so they have exploited it - same as B&Q in a way by going from DIY into plants and garden stuff - although I will never know how B&Q haven’t gone bust yet as their centres are too big. They were in talks with Morrison’s to split their premises with them but that hasn’t happened and I think Morrison’s have been sold haven’t they?
You know what, I can remember when supermarkets didn’t sell milk, I think we are only talking about the 80,s - then they started and then Ernie bit the dust.
The high street is finished and Covid has accelerated the demise, there was only one man who could of saved it and he’s dead.
Now we are going to see walk in and out Amazon high street stores, in 5 - 10 years time they will be in every town, no queuing, no paying, just face recognition and your goods go on your Amazon account. The supermarkets are scared enough so god knows what is going to happen to the independents, I think the only independents in the long run will be very specialised stores. The worrying thing though is that Amazon have actually no competitor and they are so advanced I can’t see them being challenged anytime soon. They are absolutely unstoppable, they are a juggernaut - and as Freddie said they are out of control. |
Morrisons have been bought but not by a competitor, it's a private equity deal. Will this change the fundamentals of their business or is it just access to finance to let the existing management team, well those that survive the review of the business, get more expansive? I suspect it will be the latter and it reminds me of something else.
[edit] forgot to add link https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/19/morrisons-strikes-7bn-takeover- [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 7:36]
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 08:35 - Sep 6 with 1417 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 01:02 - Sep 6 by Bluedicea |
Fair enough, it's been a few years since I last looked over shopping trends, so things have evolved since. The point still stands though, a large proportion of most business is seasonal, and a lot rely on particular periods for a large proportion of their income.
The high street isn't finished, it has been on the decline for a long time, since the supermarkets started selling everything under one roof on retail parks, now those parks are starting to go out of fashion, but it's smaller independent traders that are slowly increasing on the high street, they offer the uniqueness of what we had before all the retail department stores and retail parks took that personalisation away.
A big cycle, which Amazon has hijacked a little but I don't think they will have the long term need that people want, already people are bored with the novelty of their no pay shops, customer footfall has halved in their shops in the same period that most other supermarkets have increased their footfall. |
I’m agreeing with you.
The only way brick built stores will survive is if they’re offering something unique, that may be by way of specialised goods or specialised service | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 08:38 - Sep 6 with 1413 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
It is quite possible that it is a ploy, however I have purchased a few electrical (switch/xbox) type items this weekend for my kids just in case it isn't. | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 09:20 - Sep 6 with 1380 views | gtsb1966 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:07 - Sep 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Two dates I refuse to go in the pub - Christmas Eve and NYE |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 09:24 - Sep 6 with 1379 views | solomon |
With the way things are in September getting a good proportion of us to spread our purchases over the next 4 months could avoid real shortages in December? May be some logic in it? |  | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:27 - Sep 6 with 1311 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 09:24 - Sep 6 by solomon |
With the way things are in September getting a good proportion of us to spread our purchases over the next 4 months could avoid real shortages in December? May be some logic in it? |
eh ?
If there is a reduction (as there is) in the amount of goods produced, and also a reduction in the number delivered, I fail to see how 'spreading out' will solve anything
any item bought in September is an item that cannot be bought in December
it is as simple as that | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:44 - Sep 6 with 1283 views | J2BLUE |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:27 - Sep 6 by HARRY10 |
eh ?
If there is a reduction (as there is) in the amount of goods produced, and also a reduction in the number delivered, I fail to see how 'spreading out' will solve anything
any item bought in September is an item that cannot be bought in December
it is as simple as that |
True but have you noticed the tins of sweets and biscuit selections are always on offer at this time of year? Clearly in previous years it has been a tactic of the retailers/manufacturers to sell these products early knowing many will use them before Christmas and have to re-buy. Maybe with these shortage rumours people will buy them and not actually use them before Christmas.
Also, if lorry drivers are the issue then spreading purchases out might do some good. If non perishable items sell out three months before Christmas more stock will come. If they sell out on December 22nd then there might not be another delivery. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:51 - Sep 6 with 1281 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:44 - Sep 6 by J2BLUE |
True but have you noticed the tins of sweets and biscuit selections are always on offer at this time of year? Clearly in previous years it has been a tactic of the retailers/manufacturers to sell these products early knowing many will use them before Christmas and have to re-buy. Maybe with these shortage rumours people will buy them and not actually use them before Christmas.
Also, if lorry drivers are the issue then spreading purchases out might do some good. If non perishable items sell out three months before Christmas more stock will come. If they sell out on December 22nd then there might not be another delivery. |
a fair [pint re tins of sweets, though as with last years 'eat out to help out' it is much about clearing out old stock
I am not sure if the problem of lorry driver shortage is down to the number of them who have been issued
and as there will be a finite number of goods and deliveries the only benefit would be in buying stuff now when it is available
however if it is not bought in September then it would be available in December
as in, the time you divide up a cake does not make it a bigger or smaller cake | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:56 - Sep 6 with 1271 views | J2BLUE |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:51 - Sep 6 by HARRY10 |
a fair [pint re tins of sweets, though as with last years 'eat out to help out' it is much about clearing out old stock
I am not sure if the problem of lorry driver shortage is down to the number of them who have been issued
and as there will be a finite number of goods and deliveries the only benefit would be in buying stuff now when it is available
however if it is not bought in September then it would be available in December
as in, the time you divide up a cake does not make it a bigger or smaller cake |
If you can only eat one slice of the cake per week, you can eat more of the cake if you start earlier. You're a bit fooked if you want another slice two days before Christmas and the next slice won't be delivered until December 28th. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:00 - Sep 6 with 1269 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 16:56 - Sep 6 by J2BLUE |
If you can only eat one slice of the cake per week, you can eat more of the cake if you start earlier. You're a bit fooked if you want another slice two days before Christmas and the next slice won't be delivered until December 28th. |
err, that has always been the case
however if the purchase of goods increases in September it simply means any shortage will merely be brought forward
you are not addressing the fact that a shortage means what it says....... a shortage | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:05 - Sep 6 with 1260 views | J2BLUE |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:00 - Sep 6 by HARRY10 |
err, that has always been the case
however if the purchase of goods increases in September it simply means any shortage will merely be brought forward
you are not addressing the fact that a shortage means what it says....... a shortage |
I am just suggesting a shortage may be due to their inability to deliver rather than a genuine shortage. Of course with a genuine shortage you are absolutely correct. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:28 - Sep 6 with 1249 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:05 - Sep 6 by J2BLUE |
I am just suggesting a shortage may be due to their inability to deliver rather than a genuine shortage. Of course with a genuine shortage you are absolutely correct. |
it matters little either way as the shortage is/will be measured by what is available in the shop - not what is stuck in a warehouse/docks that cannot be delivered
there will be less meat processed items ..... pies, sausages, bacon etc as there has not been the staff to make them and there is not the capacity to 'catch up' were the staff levels to return to normal tomorrow - other bakery and seasonal foodstuffs will see a reduction in the amount for the same reason
imported goods (China) are already reduced due, in part, to an increase in cost (containers), and delays caused by restrictions, costs and hold ups imposed by brexit
deliveries are affected not just be a driver shortage, with the thought that some HGV may have moved to courier driving jobs, but the shortage of staff at both end - loading and unloading the goods
what this has exposed is one of the sheer stupidities of brexit, that being a failure to recognise the role a flexible labour force plays in a growing economy - and the idiocy of the bleat about 'furriners taking our jobs', the latter being highlighted by there being a huge absence of the unemployed from Brexit voting areas to take up the labour shortage..... perhaps it was a bit more complex that the witless slogans put out by Farage etc
flexible labour means the ability to take up short term seasonal work.... fruit/veg harvest, fluctuations in hospitality work and other variations - Xmas post, building projects and increased immigration/border checks(peak holiday period)
a system that have evolved and developed over five decades to simplify and speed things up has suddenly been slowed down so as to placate a group of bigots whose thought seems to have been that if we can't have it, then nor will you
what is curreently happening is merely a consequence of that mindset | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 18:09 - Sep 6 with 1228 views | Bluedicea |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 17:28 - Sep 6 by HARRY10 |
it matters little either way as the shortage is/will be measured by what is available in the shop - not what is stuck in a warehouse/docks that cannot be delivered
there will be less meat processed items ..... pies, sausages, bacon etc as there has not been the staff to make them and there is not the capacity to 'catch up' were the staff levels to return to normal tomorrow - other bakery and seasonal foodstuffs will see a reduction in the amount for the same reason
imported goods (China) are already reduced due, in part, to an increase in cost (containers), and delays caused by restrictions, costs and hold ups imposed by brexit
deliveries are affected not just be a driver shortage, with the thought that some HGV may have moved to courier driving jobs, but the shortage of staff at both end - loading and unloading the goods
what this has exposed is one of the sheer stupidities of brexit, that being a failure to recognise the role a flexible labour force plays in a growing economy - and the idiocy of the bleat about 'furriners taking our jobs', the latter being highlighted by there being a huge absence of the unemployed from Brexit voting areas to take up the labour shortage..... perhaps it was a bit more complex that the witless slogans put out by Farage etc
flexible labour means the ability to take up short term seasonal work.... fruit/veg harvest, fluctuations in hospitality work and other variations - Xmas post, building projects and increased immigration/border checks(peak holiday period)
a system that have evolved and developed over five decades to simplify and speed things up has suddenly been slowed down so as to placate a group of bigots whose thought seems to have been that if we can't have it, then nor will you
what is curreently happening is merely a consequence of that mindset |
Brexit isn't responsible for the labour shortages. Years ago, pre 1995, we would have students spending their time filling these seasonal jobs. The bigger problem is for years we have been outsourcing the labour market to the cheapest price, many younger folks look down on manual work or field work, as it's beneath them.
You like them are bigoted in your view.
Currently 19% of under 25's are out of work, yet all spring and summer the industry has been begging for people to fill the jobs. The problem are with people being elitist and thinking they deserve something easy and are not prepared to get on with a real job, whereas those who used to fill those roles don't care what job they do as long as they earn money because they know what life is like without all the privilege that most folks in this country have. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 18:46 - Sep 6 with 1211 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 18:09 - Sep 6 by Bluedicea |
Brexit isn't responsible for the labour shortages. Years ago, pre 1995, we would have students spending their time filling these seasonal jobs. The bigger problem is for years we have been outsourcing the labour market to the cheapest price, many younger folks look down on manual work or field work, as it's beneath them.
You like them are bigoted in your view.
Currently 19% of under 25's are out of work, yet all spring and summer the industry has been begging for people to fill the jobs. The problem are with people being elitist and thinking they deserve something easy and are not prepared to get on with a real job, whereas those who used to fill those roles don't care what job they do as long as they earn money because they know what life is like without all the privilege that most folks in this country have. |
Utter nonsense, guff that some rightwing 'news' media has filled your silly head with ie too many youngsters are going to university so won't be happy sweeping the streets.
Being a 'rightie' basic logic unsurprisingly seems to have eluded you.
If all these jobs were previously filled by "those who used to fill those roles" why is it now a case of
'used to' ? | | | |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:18 - Sep 6 with 1200 views | Bluedicea |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 18:46 - Sep 6 by HARRY10 |
Utter nonsense, guff that some rightwing 'news' media has filled your silly head with ie too many youngsters are going to university so won't be happy sweeping the streets.
Being a 'rightie' basic logic unsurprisingly seems to have eluded you.
If all these jobs were previously filled by "those who used to fill those roles" why is it now a case of
'used to' ? |
Well seeing as I'm more left centre than right, I would say you are wrong. But it's typical of the far left to challenge facts with abuse, questioning people's intelligence, and being completely bigoted that your view is the only one that matters and anyone that doesn't think the exact same as you if a right wing knuckle dragger.
The jobs used to be filled by students and school leavers, but after 25 years most young people expect to stay in education and also very few now have to work to live.
I'm all for education, it's just kind of damning when it's estimated that 3/4 of people that get further education don't end up in a job that they got the education for
We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country, everyone is taught you have to get a office job, or be a high flier. Other than the recent clap for key workers, when was the last time you heard of binmen or porters or farmers or dockers being celebrated, you don't because most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs.
So maybe stop being such tool, be part of the discussion, help others don't try to abuse and belittle them because they are different to you. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:38 - Sep 6 with 1175 views | J2BLUE |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:18 - Sep 6 by Bluedicea |
Well seeing as I'm more left centre than right, I would say you are wrong. But it's typical of the far left to challenge facts with abuse, questioning people's intelligence, and being completely bigoted that your view is the only one that matters and anyone that doesn't think the exact same as you if a right wing knuckle dragger.
The jobs used to be filled by students and school leavers, but after 25 years most young people expect to stay in education and also very few now have to work to live.
I'm all for education, it's just kind of damning when it's estimated that 3/4 of people that get further education don't end up in a job that they got the education for
We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country, everyone is taught you have to get a office job, or be a high flier. Other than the recent clap for key workers, when was the last time you heard of binmen or porters or farmers or dockers being celebrated, you don't because most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs.
So maybe stop being such tool, be part of the discussion, help others don't try to abuse and belittle them because they are different to you. |
I've had my share of disagreements with Harry but I have to say I think if you re-read the interaction the two of you have had you've been the aggressor here. You called him bigoted and then a tool before saying he resorted to abuse.
I have found you a decent poster so far so post supposed to be constructive criticism, not just looking to have a dig. | |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:39 - Sep 6 with 1175 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:18 - Sep 6 by Bluedicea |
Well seeing as I'm more left centre than right, I would say you are wrong. But it's typical of the far left to challenge facts with abuse, questioning people's intelligence, and being completely bigoted that your view is the only one that matters and anyone that doesn't think the exact same as you if a right wing knuckle dragger.
The jobs used to be filled by students and school leavers, but after 25 years most young people expect to stay in education and also very few now have to work to live.
I'm all for education, it's just kind of damning when it's estimated that 3/4 of people that get further education don't end up in a job that they got the education for
We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country, everyone is taught you have to get a office job, or be a high flier. Other than the recent clap for key workers, when was the last time you heard of binmen or porters or farmers or dockers being celebrated, you don't because most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs.
So maybe stop being such tool, be part of the discussion, help others don't try to abuse and belittle them because they are different to you. |
Used to do a fair bit of it myself along with a motley crew of other punks, hippies and traveller types.....great times. |  |
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| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 20:19 - Sep 6 with 1147 views | HARRY10 |
| Christmas Shortage Warnings on 19:18 - Sep 6 by Bluedicea |
Well seeing as I'm more left centre than right, I would say you are wrong. But it's typical of the far left to challenge facts with abuse, questioning people's intelligence, and being completely bigoted that your view is the only one that matters and anyone that doesn't think the exact same as you if a right wing knuckle dragger.
The jobs used to be filled by students and school leavers, but after 25 years most young people expect to stay in education and also very few now have to work to live.
I'm all for education, it's just kind of damning when it's estimated that 3/4 of people that get further education don't end up in a job that they got the education for
We have gone far too middle/upper class in this country, everyone is taught you have to get a office job, or be a high flier. Other than the recent clap for key workers, when was the last time you heard of binmen or porters or farmers or dockers being celebrated, you don't because most people in this country have become bigoted to working class jobs.
So maybe stop being such tool, be part of the discussion, help others don't try to abuse and belittle them because they are different to you. |
I am not far left
I have not challenged your supposed 'facts'
You have not explained why those who used to do these jobs (migrant labour) no longer do those jobs
"when was the last time you heard of binmen or porters or farmers or dockers being celebrated,"
perhaps you can tell us when they were
the nonsense you continue to peddle is that of the blame for this mess lies with this conjured up group who are some 'metropolitan, liberal elite' - your posts reek of this - but NO evidence to back this up
you bleat about students being to 'elite' to take manual work - but offer no explanation as to why the hundreds of thousands of unemployed in the so called redwall seats have not taken these jobs
and if you had a clue about any of this, beyond what your betters have told yu, you might grasp ath students at any age will be back to school/uni etc this month and so will not be available with veg harvest, building work and driving jobs
and you give yourself away by talk of farmers, as anyone in East Anglia will be aware that the average farmer does not work in the fields or engage in any manual work - and they certainly would not consider themselves as 'working class'
now why not address the point I actually made, rather than making up stuff | | | |
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