| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani 21:12 - Jan 10 with 3660 views | Garv |
A block that you see several times a game at corners and free kicks, which are regularly praised for being clever defending.
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 10:20 - Jan 11 with 397 views | meekreech |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 22:10 - Jan 10 by RamRob |
Sorry I disagree.
I don't see how VAR can do it any differently.
Firstly they have to check matters of fact i.e. offsides/handballs. There were 3 possible points players could've been offside, the ball being very close to Watkins boot and Ings arm. This took the longest.
Only then could they check for anything subjective i.e. fouls
VAR can't make that decision without asking ref if he has seen the incident, I assume he didn't, so he took the opportunity to view the monitor.
You can disagree with the Refs decision, but I don't think the VAR did anything wrong.
The player that "blocked" Cavani was offside when the ball was played in, so if he stopped him having the chance to defend the ball you can argue he was affecting play.
It took so long because there was so much to check. VAR got it right, Refs decision is debatable. |
They were just trying to find a reason anywhere to stop United losing. The game should be replayed as the referee was anything but neutral. |  |
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 10:54 - Jan 11 with 380 views | Churchman |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 22:10 - Jan 10 by RamRob |
Sorry I disagree.
I don't see how VAR can do it any differently.
Firstly they have to check matters of fact i.e. offsides/handballs. There were 3 possible points players could've been offside, the ball being very close to Watkins boot and Ings arm. This took the longest.
Only then could they check for anything subjective i.e. fouls
VAR can't make that decision without asking ref if he has seen the incident, I assume he didn't, so he took the opportunity to view the monitor.
You can disagree with the Refs decision, but I don't think the VAR did anything wrong.
The player that "blocked" Cavani was offside when the ball was played in, so if he stopped him having the chance to defend the ball you can argue he was affecting play.
It took so long because there was so much to check. VAR got it right, Refs decision is debatable. |
Sorry, there really wasn’t much to check. The ref and Lino’s were on the spot. In real time it looked to them (and me from 200 miles away) a perfectly good goal. If you are going to use dreadful VAR it should be a max 30 second check to see if there is anything obvious to change the decision such as a handball.
Football is meant to be a continuous game. Get up and get on with it. Cricket is not like that and technology can accurately tell if a ball pitches in line, ball tracker, gloves etc, but even that takes too long.
What next for football and VAR? Maybe four or five more cameras to review? One from a blimp maybe? Perhaps interviews with the players concerned? Do all that and I bet like all other sport that use tech, including cricket, they’ll still get it wrong - obviously in favour of the big clubs.
Even before this rubbish system you never saw marginal decisions go against big clubs unless they played each other. Why? Because the big 5 or 6 run the Premier League and if you are a referee, you’d better get your decision ‘right’ if you want to ref again at the top level. I heard that some while back directly from a PL referee, so it’s not just me have my regular rant! |  | | |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 10:57 - Jan 11 with 374 views | GeoffSentence |
Wasn't it that Ramsey was in an offside position and he was in the way of Cavani he was interfering with play, so offside given. |  |
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 11:10 - Jan 11 with 363 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 10:57 - Jan 11 by GeoffSentence |
Wasn't it that Ramsey was in an offside position and he was in the way of Cavani he was interfering with play, so offside given. |
Yes, but critically it need to be proved that Ramsey was stopping Cavani making a genuine attempt to play the ball. That's debatable at best as it looked like Cavani wasn't going to get anywhere near it.
It's all a bit of a mess. I thought VAR was supposed to be used to rule on clear and obvious errors. A 3.5 minute examination of each stage of a movement to try and find something to prevent the goal being given isn't clear and obvious imo.
The issue, as usual, is that so much of football is based on interpretation of the laws, so there isn't a definitive answer. [Post edited 11 Jan 2022 11:20]
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 11:47 - Jan 11 with 347 views | RamRob |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 10:54 - Jan 11 by Churchman |
Sorry, there really wasn’t much to check. The ref and Lino’s were on the spot. In real time it looked to them (and me from 200 miles away) a perfectly good goal. If you are going to use dreadful VAR it should be a max 30 second check to see if there is anything obvious to change the decision such as a handball.
Football is meant to be a continuous game. Get up and get on with it. Cricket is not like that and technology can accurately tell if a ball pitches in line, ball tracker, gloves etc, but even that takes too long.
What next for football and VAR? Maybe four or five more cameras to review? One from a blimp maybe? Perhaps interviews with the players concerned? Do all that and I bet like all other sport that use tech, including cricket, they’ll still get it wrong - obviously in favour of the big clubs.
Even before this rubbish system you never saw marginal decisions go against big clubs unless they played each other. Why? Because the big 5 or 6 run the Premier League and if you are a referee, you’d better get your decision ‘right’ if you want to ref again at the top level. I heard that some while back directly from a PL referee, so it’s not just me have my regular rant! |
You really think the ref and lino could've seen how close the ball was to Watkins foot and Ings arm? If it had touched either it would've ruled the goal out in less than half the time. They needed to check all the angles, maybe they could've given each angle 5 seconds and if it wasn't clear move on.
I don't understand why people are saying the VAR seemed to want to check for every possible thing to rule the goal out , that's precisely what they are meant to do.
You can debate the final decision, you can say they took to long, but you can't say VAR did wrong by checking every possible thing when there were so many in that one incident. |  |
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 11:49 - Jan 11 with 342 views | RamRob |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 11:10 - Jan 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, but critically it need to be proved that Ramsey was stopping Cavani making a genuine attempt to play the ball. That's debatable at best as it looked like Cavani wasn't going to get anywhere near it.
It's all a bit of a mess. I thought VAR was supposed to be used to rule on clear and obvious errors. A 3.5 minute examination of each stage of a movement to try and find something to prevent the goal being given isn't clear and obvious imo.
The issue, as usual, is that so much of football is based on interpretation of the laws, so there isn't a definitive answer. [Post edited 11 Jan 2022 11:20]
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He can be offside and affecting play just by being in the way, whether it was a foul or not. | |
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| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 12:34 - Jan 11 with 323 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Villa goal ruled out for the block on Cavani on 09:22 - Jan 11 by rickw |
I agree they got the right decision but disagree they couldn't do it differently.
The offside block on Cavani was the first incident of the action so looking at anything after that is completely pointless unless it's deemed as fair.
It could have been done in 30 seconds, Ramsey clearly started offside, then did he impede Cavani - yes.... |
I disagree with you. In most instances the offence, or lack of, occurs close to, or immediately prior to a goal being scored. E.g. offside.
If we take your approach and look at the initial phase of play the act of scoring, which is when most faults of offside etc arise, would be the last thing looked at. Everyone would the be squealing about the time wasted looking all the way through the build up to a goal. |  | | |
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