| Post match thoughts 22:41 - Feb 22 with 3311 views | Garv |
- Thompson isn't a wing back. He just doesn't go far enough forward, last 10 mins you had Edmundson marauding forward and desperate for him for make a run forward but he was static. Penney is better suited and we're solid enough defensively to take the risk.
- Pigott did okay on Saturday, but not much more than that. He added nothing tonight. Find it hard to believe that if it was a choice of bringing him or Norwood on (had he been on the bench) that Pigott would have got on. Perhaps unlucky that he was the one that took it off Celina's toes 8 yards out, but it really sums up his situation. Bonne no better unfortunately.
- We didn't vary our game enough during the last 10-15 mins. Did we ever really try putting men in the box and chucking the ball in? Other than getting to the byline and cutting it back occasionally, we didn't cross it. Last 5 mins there was next to no one in the box.
- Missed Evans, both in open play and from set pieces.
- Aluko unlucky not to get on
- Not the end of the world, but one helluva frustrating night.
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| Post match thoughts on 10:50 - Feb 23 with 543 views | BarcaBlue |
| Post match thoughts on 10:30 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
You must have been watching a different game or you've forgotten. Given our abysmal failure to score a goal when we dominated the first half with our attractive football, we were not excellent. |
We certainly were excellent first half, football not seen by us in years at PR. We didn't score, abysmal failure is pure hyperbole. |  | | |
| Post match thoughts on 10:59 - Feb 23 with 520 views | Chrisd |
| Post match thoughts on 23:11 - Feb 22 by Illinoisblue |
He looks like a different player, sadly. Whatever happens this season going to be an interesting summer for our strikers. Could easily make a case for replacing all of them. |
The bottom-line is a striker is there to score goals and that's what they are ultimately judged on. I'd say all our strikers now have a big question mark hanging over them from now until the end of the season. |  |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:02 - Feb 23 with 513 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Post match thoughts on 10:30 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
You must have been watching a different game or you've forgotten. Given our abysmal failure to score a goal when we dominated the first half with our attractive football, we were not excellent. |
McKenna called it the best first half since he's been here, so I'll go with him rather than you. |  |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:04 - Feb 23 with 508 views | AlanG296 |
| Post match thoughts on 10:50 - Feb 23 by BarcaBlue |
We certainly were excellent first half, football not seen by us in years at PR. We didn't score, abysmal failure is pure hyperbole. |
What adjective would you use if we had actually had some end product from the very good play then? The finishing and much of the crossing was far from excellent. It was mainly very good to watch but football is measured in goals. You don't get points for style. | | | |
| Post match thoughts on 11:14 - Feb 23 with 492 views | AlanG296 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:02 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
McKenna called it the best first half since he's been here, so I'll go with him rather than you. |
He did not say it was "excellent" though. I agree with him that the play was the best first half under him but to call it excellent is hyperbole. | | | |
| Post match thoughts on 11:20 - Feb 23 with 478 views | BarcaBlue |
| Post match thoughts on 11:04 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
What adjective would you use if we had actually had some end product from the very good play then? The finishing and much of the crossing was far from excellent. It was mainly very good to watch but football is measured in goals. You don't get points for style. |
I would probably have used the adjective "excellent". | | | |
| Post match thoughts on 11:21 - Feb 23 with 477 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Post match thoughts on 11:14 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
He did not say it was "excellent" though. I agree with him that the play was the best first half under him but to call it excellent is hyperbole. |
So you think the games since McKenna has come in have been way less than excellent then, given that he described last night's first half as the best ever and you still wouldn't describe it as excellent? Ok then.
Hatch, who I was replying to, described Thompson's performance as "woeful... walking pace... didn’t seem to be capable... seems to just want to sit in a left back role and have the game tick along around him rather than try and make anything happen."
Now THAT's hyperbole! | |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:25 - Feb 23 with 471 views | hype313 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:21 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So you think the games since McKenna has come in have been way less than excellent then, given that he described last night's first half as the best ever and you still wouldn't describe it as excellent? Ok then.
Hatch, who I was replying to, described Thompson's performance as "woeful... walking pace... didn’t seem to be capable... seems to just want to sit in a left back role and have the game tick along around him rather than try and make anything happen."
Now THAT's hyperbole! |
I thought Thompson's performance was quite flat overall, most of our attacking threat in the first half came from JD and Burns on the right.
To be fair to Thompson he's played a lot of games in succession having not played much this season at Brentford, so his fitness might not be up to speed, he certainly flagged in the second half.
Might be wise to put Penny in on Saturday to give Thompson a little break.
Some might say that could be Pennywise... [Post edited 23 Feb 2022 11:39]
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| Post match thoughts on 11:26 - Feb 23 with 468 views | jayessess |
| Post match thoughts on 11:04 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
What adjective would you use if we had actually had some end product from the very good play then? The finishing and much of the crossing was far from excellent. It was mainly very good to watch but football is measured in goals. You don't get points for style. |
You don't get points for style, but general performances are what put you in a position to consistently win points and ordinarily that first half performance wins you the game.
As a team you're going to get a lot of variety in how well you finish. Some days you'll blaze a dozen presentable chances into the stands or the keeper makes half a dozen good saves. Other days you score with virtually every shot.
I'm not sure how useful it is to decide, regardless of anything else that happens, that the good finishing days are good performances and the poor finishing days are bad ones. We're looking for consistent, replicable performances, and that means consistently making a lot more big chances than the opposition. We did that yesterday. If we do it 12 more times, we'll probably make the play-offs. |  |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:32 - Feb 23 with 457 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Post match thoughts on 11:25 - Feb 23 by hype313 |
I thought Thompson's performance was quite flat overall, most of our attacking threat in the first half came from JD and Burns on the right.
To be fair to Thompson he's played a lot of games in succession having not played much this season at Brentford, so his fitness might not be up to speed, he certainly flagged in the second half.
Might be wise to put Penny in on Saturday to give Thompson a little break.
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You're incorrect on two counts I'm afraid. We saw several attacks from Celina on the left in the first half - aided by Thompson. Mick Mills even commented on it.
Thompson flagged because he was injured - and even signalled to come off a while before he did.
I'm not Thompson's biggest fan or anything, I was merely responding to the assertion that he was "woeful, at walking pace, didn’t want to try and make anything happen, etc." | |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:34 - Feb 23 with 452 views | hype313 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:32 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're incorrect on two counts I'm afraid. We saw several attacks from Celina on the left in the first half - aided by Thompson. Mick Mills even commented on it.
Thompson flagged because he was injured - and even signalled to come off a while before he did.
I'm not Thompson's biggest fan or anything, I was merely responding to the assertion that he was "woeful, at walking pace, didn’t want to try and make anything happen, etc." |
Well I'm not, because I witnessed it with my own eyes, our attacking threat predominantly came from the right, that's not me digging out Thomson, or saying he was pedestrian or woeful, he just seemed tired from the amount of games he has played.
Nothing sinister going on here. | |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:41 - Feb 23 with 438 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Post match thoughts on 11:34 - Feb 23 by hype313 |
Well I'm not, because I witnessed it with my own eyes, our attacking threat predominantly came from the right, that's not me digging out Thomson, or saying he was pedestrian or woeful, he just seemed tired from the amount of games he has played.
Nothing sinister going on here. |
Were you at the game? Genuine question. You obviously are incorrect because as I've stated, Mick Mills even commented on it. And why would I make it up?
You originally said " all of our attacking threat in the first half came from JD and Burns on the right", now you've changed it to "predominantly."
There's nothing sinister going on here either, I think you've just somehow missed some stuff. | |
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| Post match thoughts on 11:58 - Feb 23 with 423 views | hype313 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:41 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Were you at the game? Genuine question. You obviously are incorrect because as I've stated, Mick Mills even commented on it. And why would I make it up?
You originally said " all of our attacking threat in the first half came from JD and Burns on the right", now you've changed it to "predominantly."
There's nothing sinister going on here either, I think you've just somehow missed some stuff. |
Yes, I was at the game, I can send you a picture of my ticket if needed.
Our threats in the first half were , in the main, from the right flank, I was sat in the Magnus stand and had a great view of the game.
You seem to be tarnishing me with the same brush with others who have called him woeful, I really haven't, I'm just merely pointing out that he had quite a flat game but there are mitigating circumstances around this which I've already alluded to. | |
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| Post match thoughts on 12:00 - Feb 23 with 422 views | AlanG296 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:21 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So you think the games since McKenna has come in have been way less than excellent then, given that he described last night's first half as the best ever and you still wouldn't describe it as excellent? Ok then.
Hatch, who I was replying to, described Thompson's performance as "woeful... walking pace... didn’t seem to be capable... seems to just want to sit in a left back role and have the game tick along around him rather than try and make anything happen."
Now THAT's hyperbole! |
You have to take McKenna's "best ever" comment in context of the short period he has been manager. Parts of the performance were excellent at times but to say "excellent, as the whole team were" as you did earlier is hyperbole. If the finishing, shooting and crossing had been anywhere near the same standard as much of the play, we would have won the game comfortably. | | | |
| Post match thoughts on 12:04 - Feb 23 with 415 views | AlanG296 |
| Post match thoughts on 11:26 - Feb 23 by jayessess |
You don't get points for style, but general performances are what put you in a position to consistently win points and ordinarily that first half performance wins you the game.
As a team you're going to get a lot of variety in how well you finish. Some days you'll blaze a dozen presentable chances into the stands or the keeper makes half a dozen good saves. Other days you score with virtually every shot.
I'm not sure how useful it is to decide, regardless of anything else that happens, that the good finishing days are good performances and the poor finishing days are bad ones. We're looking for consistent, replicable performances, and that means consistently making a lot more big chances than the opposition. We did that yesterday. If we do it 12 more times, we'll probably make the play-offs. |
Games are won without being excellent, scoring goals does not on it's own make a performance excellent. Neither does dominating with very good football but failing to convert that into a single goal make a performance excellent. | | | |
| Post match thoughts on 12:12 - Feb 23 with 402 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I was disappointed with Thompson. I thought we gave him a lot of the ball and he didn't do enough with it.
However, overall we created a good number of chances and didn't make their keeper make anything other than regulation saves.
Defensively, Walton had nothing other than regulation saves to make either. We were reasonably solid but Cheltenham could have snatched the win. The miss at the end by them was poor.
First half I thought we played really good high tempo, passing football and completely stopped them by our very high press. Second half either we lacked the energy or they changed something that allowed them to stop us playing. Our passing was off second half and then their time-wasting clearly frustrated us. I would imagine they loved being sung "boring, boring Cheltenham" - it showed that they had done their job effectively. |  |
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| Post match thoughts on 12:19 - Feb 23 with 395 views | jayessess |
| Post match thoughts on 12:04 - Feb 23 by AlanG296 |
Games are won without being excellent, scoring goals does not on it's own make a performance excellent. Neither does dominating with very good football but failing to convert that into a single goal make a performance excellent. |
I think if you can't describe a performance where we dominated, played good football and created big chances as "excellent", we might as well retire the concept and stick to talking solely about wins and losses. | |
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| Post match thoughts on 12:22 - Feb 23 with 389 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Post match thoughts on 11:58 - Feb 23 by hype313 |
Yes, I was at the game, I can send you a picture of my ticket if needed.
Our threats in the first half were , in the main, from the right flank, I was sat in the Magnus stand and had a great view of the game.
You seem to be tarnishing me with the same brush with others who have called him woeful, I really haven't, I'm just merely pointing out that he had quite a flat game but there are mitigating circumstances around this which I've already alluded to. |
I wasn't having a dig - I couldn't make the game due to food poisoning - so had a different perspective to normal watching on iFollow. That's why I asked - if you were at the game you might not've had the same perspective.
He wasn't flat at all in the first half. Celina was getting a lot of joy on the left - he even had a couple of shots from there - and Thompson was involved in several build ups with Celina.
Second half Thompson was flat, after getting injured. | |
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| Post match thoughts on 13:07 - Feb 23 with 366 views | BiGDonnie |
Piggot is useless.
I'd like to start with Bonne and Jackson up top with Celina in behind. We're nowhere near s good with the two behind the lone striker. |  |
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