| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:31 - Mar 1 with 950 views | Seablu |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:25 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
The Sun & the Daily mail is part of MSM so no. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:26]
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Now I’m intrigued.
I had you down as a stonewall tory for which I wholeheartedly apologise.
Can you tell me where the truth lies?…. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:34]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:31 - Mar 1 with 949 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:23 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Depends on what you are looking into, but there are somethings we will never know the complete truth about because the powers that be will never allow it. The JFK assassination is just one for example.
But what I can tell you is the you won't find the 'the truth' you are looking for a Netflix Documentary. Any documentary that was getting too close to the truth would at best be heavily edited or not make it on to Netflix in the first place. Surely you understand that all MSM is controlled? |
Have you seen The Great Hack? |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:36 - Mar 1 with 930 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:31 - Mar 1 by Seablu |
Now I’m intrigued.
I had you down as a stonewall tory for which I wholeheartedly apologise.
Can you tell me where the truth lies?…. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:34]
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I'll give you evens on RT, Breitbart or Skawkbox, 2/1 on some kind of random Youtube loon/Steven Yaxley Lennon or David Icke, 3/1 Parler, and 25/1 BBC World Service. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:38]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:37 - Mar 1 with 925 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:31 - Mar 1 by Seablu |
Now I’m intrigued.
I had you down as a stonewall tory for which I wholeheartedly apologise.
Can you tell me where the truth lies?…. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:34]
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The truth for what? Like I said it depends what you are looking into and also we will go to our graves not know the full truth about so many things.
I agree that Carole Cadwalleder is a top notch proper Journalist. There are sadly very few about these days. |  | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:38 - Mar 1 with 914 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:36 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
I'll give you evens on RT, Breitbart or Skawkbox, 2/1 on some kind of random Youtube loon/Steven Yaxley Lennon or David Icke, 3/1 Parler, and 25/1 BBC World Service. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:38]
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I haven't heard of any of those apart from BBC world service. | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:38 - Mar 1 with 909 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:37 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
The truth for what? Like I said it depends what you are looking into and also we will go to our graves not know the full truth about so many things.
I agree that Carole Cadwalleder is a top notch proper Journalist. There are sadly very few about these days. |
Oh my god, teeing it out the park here.
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU CAROLE CADWALLADA IS IN THE GREAT HACK AND MUCH OF THE STORY IS ABOUT HER INSIGHT? | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:40 - Mar 1 with 897 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:31 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
Have you seen The Great Hack? |
Wouldn't be much point as I would have to take it with a huge pinch of salt. Any independent documentaries on the same subject you can recommend? | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:42 - Mar 1 with 883 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:38 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
Oh my god, teeing it out the park here.
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU CAROLE CADWALLADA IS IN THE GREAT HACK AND MUCH OF THE STORY IS ABOUT HER INSIGHT? |
Well then I might just have to change my mind about her. Like I said any documentary getting too close to the truth would either be heavily edited or not make into Netflix in the first place. | | | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:43 - Mar 1 with 880 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:38 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
I haven't heard of any of those apart from BBC world service. |
LOL, righto. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:45]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:43 - Mar 1 with 877 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:40 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Wouldn't be much point as I would have to take it with a huge pinch of salt. Any independent documentaries on the same subject you can recommend? |
I think the paranoia has got to you mate, Netflix is not what you think it is. Yeah it’s a corp but they do so much for airing investigative journalism.
If you haven’t seen The Great Hack I can tell you now you’re going to be a bit embarrassed writing it off. Trust me.
I couldn’t think of any other film in existence on the matter. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:46 - Mar 1 with 859 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:42 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Well then I might just have to change my mind about her. Like I said any documentary getting too close to the truth would either be heavily edited or not make into Netflix in the first place. |
Wait, you are changing your mind about her because of what?!
You are going to change your mind about someone based on something you haven’t seen, FFS.
FWIW, everything she has said anywhere else made it to the doc. It’s not censored in any form. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:47 - Mar 1 with 858 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:42 - Mar 1 by Ewan_Oozami |
If that's your take on it (which I find surprising tbh), then they've done their job pretty well I'd say...
As Callis said, start with the Great Hack, then watch the Adam Curtis documentaries, then have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street
then this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
and finally this:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9472/
Many who work in the IT cybersecurity sector have been following this for years - the way the social media algorithms were gamed to push the right people down the the right rabbit holes is something that only recently the SM platforms have started to deal with - you don't have to be duped, you just have to have your existing prejudices gradually reinforced - anything that has potential to destabilise the community/country will be amplified, and people (especially those not media-savvy) won't even realise what's happening.. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 20:43]
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The comment is purely in relation to the 14 or whatever tweets which say very little in themselves and I am not familiar with her wider work.
Have watched all the Curtis stuff. Haven't watched the Great Hack, apart from the trailer just now, but it looks very similar to the other documentary Callis mentioned which I have. I would suggest though that as valid as all these social media concerns might be that a large demographic of say Brexit voters do not engage with these platforms so for 'liberals' (sic) to try and brush off all the things that they would prefer not to have happened as gullible people being led astray by their phones is a little disingenuous and over simplified. It probably explains why I don't much like shopping though.
As an aside, if this issue is as pervasive and successful as suggested there are certainly much more powerful players than Russia who would be ahead of the game imho. |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:48 - Mar 1 with 842 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:43 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
I think the paranoia has got to you mate, Netflix is not what you think it is. Yeah it’s a corp but they do so much for airing investigative journalism.
If you haven’t seen The Great Hack I can tell you now you’re going to be a bit embarrassed writing it off. Trust me.
I couldn’t think of any other film in existence on the matter. |
think the paranoia has got to you mate, Netflix is not what you think it is. Yeah it’s a corp but they do so much for airing investigative journalism. "
Not in.my experience but if I was to explain why I would probably get banned.
I will give the documentary a go though. I have more trust in independent documentaries and I have my reasons for that. | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:50 - Mar 1 with 829 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:46 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
Wait, you are changing your mind about her because of what?!
You are going to change your mind about someone based on something you haven’t seen, FFS.
FWIW, everything she has said anywhere else made it to the doc. It’s not censored in any form. |
See my last reply I will give it a go when I get the chance. If you recommend it that much I won't completely write it off before I have seen it . [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:51]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:52 - Mar 1 with 816 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:37 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
The truth for what? Like I said it depends what you are looking into and also we will go to our graves not know the full truth about so many things.
I agree that Carole Cadwalleder is a top notch proper Journalist. There are sadly very few about these days. |
A fundamental problem in this country is the prohibitive cost of justice and telling truth against powerful people and institutions who use the courts to silence it. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:54 - Mar 1 with 808 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:25 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
The Sun & the Daily mail is part of MSM so no. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:26]
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If the MSM weren’t capable of investigative journalism to uncover the truth, people like Carole Cadwalladr wouldn’t be being hit with SLAP suits by those she’s getting to close to. |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:54 - Mar 1 with 805 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:25 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
The Sun & the Daily mail is part of MSM so no. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:26]
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If the MSM weren’t capable of investigative journalism to uncover the truth, people like Carole Cadwalladr wouldn’t be being hit with SLAP suits by those she’s getting too close to. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:55 - Mar 1 with 796 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:43 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
LOL, righto. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 21:45]
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This is great stuff - get your popcorn out reading. | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:56 - Mar 1 with 794 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:38 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
Oh my god, teeing it out the park here.
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU CAROLE CADWALLADA IS IN THE GREAT HACK AND MUCH OF THE STORY IS ABOUT HER INSIGHT? |
Why haven’t you mentioned it before? It’s a bit late to be bringing it up now ffs!  | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:57 - Mar 1 with 790 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:47 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The comment is purely in relation to the 14 or whatever tweets which say very little in themselves and I am not familiar with her wider work.
Have watched all the Curtis stuff. Haven't watched the Great Hack, apart from the trailer just now, but it looks very similar to the other documentary Callis mentioned which I have. I would suggest though that as valid as all these social media concerns might be that a large demographic of say Brexit voters do not engage with these platforms so for 'liberals' (sic) to try and brush off all the things that they would prefer not to have happened as gullible people being led astray by their phones is a little disingenuous and over simplified. It probably explains why I don't much like shopping though.
As an aside, if this issue is as pervasive and successful as suggested there are certainly much more powerful players than Russia who would be ahead of the game imho. |
The Brexit audience and age demographic are MASSIVELY engaged on Facebook. This idea of it being a younger thing is long gone.
The thing is the propaganda wasn’t that clever. But it happened in closed circles at a time when even social media/tech experts were not aware of it, let alone able to connect any dots from the odd hint. If not for Cambridge Analytica whistle blowers we may have never known.
In fact many ITK on the topic have said part of the reason it is failing now is A) the methods of psyop haven’t advanced since it’s inception, B) folks are more savvy, C) There is a counter disinformation journalist space to combat it that didn’t exist around Brexit/Trump and D) social media has took some (alas limited and poor) responsibility in deplatforming the worst offenders.
Look at the popularity of Qanon - that wasn’t organic via a random 8chan community. It was lowkey seeded on Facebook/Twitter, and still is being rehashed as “Save the Children, AntiVaxx, Trucker Conveys”, these groups leave footprints that anyone with a bit of snoping/tech savvy can uncover.
It sounds like a kids prank, but it’s real. Humans are dumb and largely unaware of how the internet/social media works. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:58 - Mar 1 with 783 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:52 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A fundamental problem in this country is the prohibitive cost of justice and telling truth against powerful people and institutions who use the courts to silence it. |
True and some institutions are able to influence the police so certain suspects never get tried in a court of law. | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 22:01 - Mar 1 with 766 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:55 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
This is great stuff - get your popcorn out reading. |
It's the glorious squirming of a man hoist upon his own petard - wants to claim an 'edgy' source of 'real' news. Trouble is, I've already taken the piss out of all of his choices, so all he's got left is a bit of bluster and the 'you wouldn't know them, they're pretty underground' posturing' like an indie hipster in a tinfoil hat. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 22:34]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 22:02 - Mar 1 with 748 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:58 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
True and some institutions are able to influence the police so certain suspects never get tried in a court of law. |
You’re allowed to say Prince Andrew is a Nonce on here and not get banned I think.
I’m not sure you’re allowed to talk about Princess Diana being offed for sniffing around the Savile care homes though.
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 22:08 - Mar 1 with 730 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:57 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
The Brexit audience and age demographic are MASSIVELY engaged on Facebook. This idea of it being a younger thing is long gone.
The thing is the propaganda wasn’t that clever. But it happened in closed circles at a time when even social media/tech experts were not aware of it, let alone able to connect any dots from the odd hint. If not for Cambridge Analytica whistle blowers we may have never known.
In fact many ITK on the topic have said part of the reason it is failing now is A) the methods of psyop haven’t advanced since it’s inception, B) folks are more savvy, C) There is a counter disinformation journalist space to combat it that didn’t exist around Brexit/Trump and D) social media has took some (alas limited and poor) responsibility in deplatforming the worst offenders.
Look at the popularity of Qanon - that wasn’t organic via a random 8chan community. It was lowkey seeded on Facebook/Twitter, and still is being rehashed as “Save the Children, AntiVaxx, Trucker Conveys”, these groups leave footprints that anyone with a bit of snoping/tech savvy can uncover.
It sounds like a kids prank, but it’s real. Humans are dumb and largely unaware of how the internet/social media works. |
Oh come off it we all know that Brexit was voted for by stupid old people with Nokia 3310's and land lines. Also , I am not sure that Qanon can be described as popular. On a positive note facebook are losing users (especially in America) so there s some hope! | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 22:09 - Mar 1 with 725 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 22:01 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
It's the glorious squirming of a man hoist upon his own petard - wants to claim an 'edgy' source of 'real' news. Trouble is, I've already taken the piss out of all of his choices, so all he's got left is a bit of bluster and the 'you wouldn't know them, they're pretty underground' posturing' like an indie hipster in a tinfoil hat. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 22:34]
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There is no one source of 'real news' that's the point. it would be great if there was was one stop shop for reliable factual news but unfortunately there isnt. In my experience the bigger the 'news' story the more sources of information you should use to get a better idea of the Truth. That means looking at right wing, left wing and politically neutral news sources.
Oh and stop trying so hard to impress your 'friends'. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 22:09]
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