| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. 17:36 - Apr 17 with 5129 views | Pippin1970 |
I want to hear the phrase " I don't want to play a team like Ipswich again ". Hopefully next season we will. |  | | |  |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:14 - Apr 17 with 2092 views | BarcaBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:09 - Apr 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Because whilst I think we can bring it better players for how KM wants to play next season. that doesn't mean they aren't the better players of those available in this seasons squad.
If you don't have celina for example what's the other option who's better? there isn't a better option from those available at the club at this time.
Regarding the ignoring bit. Who's ignoring it. He's had 88% squad availability that's insane. |
Maybe try the Edit button again. |  | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:17 - Apr 17 with 2069 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:05 - Apr 17 by itfcjoe |
Cook was the messiah to this poster after utterly failing the 16 games he had last season, and then he totally flip flopped at some point, then he didn’t like McKenna from first presser and has now flip flopped back to start defending Cook at every turn to criticise McKenna
It’s very strange, but best to just stick him on ignore like most of the board have done |
I'm not criticising MCKenna Joe. Good try but don't twist it.
"However also shown its limitations with its goal scoring struggles, inability to win a run of games etc. That's not on him imo, that's due to a full but unbalanced squad" example here where I make it quite clear I don't feel KM is to blame..
I'm also not defending PC, hence me saying he didn't help himself by excluding Wolfenden, not forgetting how he used fraser and of course Jackson left with the u23s. And we don't know the truth on the norwood front.
PC was rightly sacked. He also did a sht job overall. That said. We have no idea how the season would have gone once certain players were available to him based on his positive results with said players like burns prior to his sacking.
So again because clearly it needs spelling out, I appreciate the positives that KM has brought to the squad. The football itself is wonderful to watch and in alot of games the best seen since Burley years. But he has to sort out the goal scoring issues if we have any chance of promotion next season. Just thought I'd add that as for some reason you think I'm criticising KM when I'm not. [Post edited 17 Apr 2022 22:21]
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:37 - Apr 17 with 2026 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:01 - Apr 17 by BarcaBlue |
...but you'd get rid of him. |
Like I've said in other posts. I hope KM gets a back up to him and have a plan next season for when he's marked out the game and keep him fresh. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:49 - Apr 17 with 2018 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:12 - Apr 17 by pointofblue |
Though, on those grounds, you could say it would be interesting to see how McKenna would have done over the last few games with Edmundson, Evans and Jackson available. |
Well tbh with edmundson and not Burgess we probably would have beaten both Oxford and Shrewsbury as we had both games done with before his headloss moments. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 23:26 - Apr 17 with 2014 views | reusersfreekicks |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:05 - Apr 17 by itfcjoe |
Cook was the messiah to this poster after utterly failing the 16 games he had last season, and then he totally flip flopped at some point, then he didn’t like McKenna from first presser and has now flip flopped back to start defending Cook at every turn to criticise McKenna
It’s very strange, but best to just stick him on ignore like most of the board have done |
His posts are mind boggling nonsense aren't they. |  | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 23:34 - Apr 17 with 1978 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 23:26 - Apr 17 by reusersfreekicks |
His posts are mind boggling nonsense aren't they. |
It's OK. Joe will dislike KM when he let's one of his mates go. Suddenly it'll be anti KM every week. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 03:32 - Apr 18 with 1954 views | WonTheCupin78 |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:07 - Apr 17 by ArnieM |
So why are we finish8mg in mid table ? |
Could be 11th if Bolton end up beating Accrington in their home game. | | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:41 - Apr 18 with 1918 views | ArnieM |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:10 - Apr 17 by itfcjoe |
Because we weren’t hard to play against for the first half of the season and had too much to do |
Yet over respective 20 game run the stats between the two managers are very similar .
McKenna has W 10 L 4 D 6
Cook W 7 L 7 D6
Cook has a brand new squad to bed in over that first part of the season . McKenna has had a settled squad ….
There’s not much difference with regard to results , but the quality of football under McKenna is streets ahead .
Question is , what will get us out of League One ? Attractive nice passing football , or an ability to mix it up and cope with this divisions physical sides and get results ? I think yesterdays game in so many ways encapsulates Towns ( and McKenna’s) biggest challenge. Cook couldn’t adapt , and had a one tactic for all games. Is McKenna actually any different in his approach? |  |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:45 - Apr 18 with 1913 views | BlueBadger |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:16 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
Because we had a terrible manager who nearly half the season 'gelling' the team. [Post edited 17 Apr 2022 21:56]
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LOL, Downvoted for truth. |  |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:48 - Apr 18 with 1913 views | BlueBadger |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:41 - Apr 18 by ArnieM |
Yet over respective 20 game run the stats between the two managers are very similar .
McKenna has W 10 L 4 D 6
Cook W 7 L 7 D6
Cook has a brand new squad to bed in over that first part of the season . McKenna has had a settled squad ….
There’s not much difference with regard to results , but the quality of football under McKenna is streets ahead .
Question is , what will get us out of League One ? Attractive nice passing football , or an ability to mix it up and cope with this divisions physical sides and get results ? I think yesterdays game in so many ways encapsulates Towns ( and McKenna’s) biggest challenge. Cook couldn’t adapt , and had a one tactic for all games. Is McKenna actually any different in his approach? |
20 game stats comparison , Cook : McKenna by DJR 16 Apr 2022 17:49Yes, the former would get you roughly 83 points over a season (which even this season should be enough for the play-offs), whereas the latter would get you only 62 points. In any event, it is not just statistics where there is no comparison between the two.
Cookie isn't coming back. Get over it. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:53 - Apr 18 with 1901 views | ArnieM |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:48 - Apr 18 by BlueBadger |
20 game stats comparison , Cook : McKenna by DJR 16 Apr 2022 17:49Yes, the former would get you roughly 83 points over a season (which even this season should be enough for the play-offs), whereas the latter would get you only 62 points. In any event, it is not just statistics where there is no comparison between the two.
Cookie isn't coming back. Get over it. |
You misunderstand ( not that I’m surprised there) . I don’t want Paul Cook back. He is clearly history in most senses of the word . I’m merely asking questions and suggesting that whilst the quality of football is streets ahead under McKenna, the results so far, are not that much different, and have stalked over recent number of games . Does McKenna need to adapt his approach ? I think he does. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 07:58 - Apr 18 with 1880 views | itfcjoe |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 06:41 - Apr 18 by ArnieM |
Yet over respective 20 game run the stats between the two managers are very similar .
McKenna has W 10 L 4 D 6
Cook W 7 L 7 D6
Cook has a brand new squad to bed in over that first part of the season . McKenna has had a settled squad ….
There’s not much difference with regard to results , but the quality of football under McKenna is streets ahead .
Question is , what will get us out of League One ? Attractive nice passing football , or an ability to mix it up and cope with this divisions physical sides and get results ? I think yesterdays game in so many ways encapsulates Towns ( and McKenna’s) biggest challenge. Cook couldn’t adapt , and had a one tactic for all games. Is McKenna actually any different in his approach? |
Firstly the results are very different - and for all talk of settled squad, as things settled under Cook results were going backwards - don’t forget all the cup performances in there as well! Post the Wycombe game (which was excellent) we were poor for a dozen games and had stopped scoring goals.
People keep talking about this need to mix things up, and it just isn’t the case. Do MK mix it up? Look at them - we just need to do what we do better - once McKenna has a window you’d expect him to add players that help in what he is trying to achieve |  |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 08:57 - Apr 18 with 1818 views | BarcaBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 22:37 - Apr 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Like I've said in other posts. I hope KM gets a back up to him and have a plan next season for when he's marked out the game and keep him fresh. |
You said you would get rid of Burns (and Celina) . A day later you added your habitual disclaimer / edit so you could come back later like this and lie. Amazing that so many of your posts contain edits, it's certainly not correcting the grammar or spelling. | | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 09:47 - Apr 18 with 1759 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 08:57 - Apr 18 by BarcaBlue |
You said you would get rid of Burns (and Celina) . A day later you added your habitual disclaimer / edit so you could come back later like this and lie. Amazing that so many of your posts contain edits, it's certainly not correcting the grammar or spelling. |
I actually said I could see some of the fan favourites being replaced and named those in the final third. I also gave reasons as to why each COULD be, You know, adding more to a post like you board police require.
Good twisting tho Barca as the edit was adding further to the post like goal records.
Most my posts have edits as I add to them Barca. And actually most are for changing words when I can be bothered to.
You and the board police say I always double down. Now you re saying I try to take back what I said. So which is it sugar, make your mind up. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 9:49]
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 10:12 - Apr 18 with 1735 views | BiGDonnie |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 21:30 - Apr 17 by FrimleyBlue |
No one has said they haven't seen any improvement under KM of certain aspects. That's the minimum you'd hope for after changing managers.
The players mentioned are because they are the ones available and selected by KM who PC didn't have the opportunity to use as often. So for me it's an unfair comparison of two 20 game periods. Imo. That's not saying PC didn't fk up. End of the day he chose not to play Wolfenden etc so that's on him. But KM has had it easier than PC this season with the players available to him. |
Shut up you absolute thicko. |  |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 10:29 - Apr 18 with 1703 views | FrimleyBlue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 10:12 - Apr 18 by BiGDonnie |
Shut up you absolute thicko. |
Morning Donnie, have a nice bank holiday Monday. Looks like fab weather. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:03 - Apr 18 with 1683 views | pointofblue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 07:58 - Apr 18 by itfcjoe |
Firstly the results are very different - and for all talk of settled squad, as things settled under Cook results were going backwards - don’t forget all the cup performances in there as well! Post the Wycombe game (which was excellent) we were poor for a dozen games and had stopped scoring goals.
People keep talking about this need to mix things up, and it just isn’t the case. Do MK mix it up? Look at them - we just need to do what we do better - once McKenna has a window you’d expect him to add players that help in what he is trying to achieve |
I’m not sure if Wycombe was that great to be honest - benefited from a couple of Stockdale errors but, from memory, it was reasonably even overall. Same with Doncaster; 6-0 was a thrashing but they were more than in it until we grabbed the third. The only dominant performance under Cook this season was at Portsmouth.
In some ways, Cook and McKenna’s runs have been similar to that extent. We had a dominant performance (Plymouth under McKenna was superb but feels a long time ago now) but then slipped back. I think, for me, the way we looked so meek against Cambridge and the second half against Rotherham is the concerning thing. Other than the Rotherham match down here I can’t recall us being pummelled to such an extent this season at any point under Cook.
It’s worrying that I have to add I wouldn’t switch McKenna for Cook for anything but I will. I would love to see three imposing performances to see out the season though; that would settle some concerns and nerves heading into the summer. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:07 - Apr 18 with 1681 views | billlm |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:10 - Apr 17 by itfcjoe |
Because we weren’t hard to play against for the first half of the season and had too much to do |
Still think we're poor down the left physically a weak team for this league, and can't hit a barn door, it's not all on our bad start, |  | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:46 - Apr 18 with 1660 views | itfcjoe |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:03 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
I’m not sure if Wycombe was that great to be honest - benefited from a couple of Stockdale errors but, from memory, it was reasonably even overall. Same with Doncaster; 6-0 was a thrashing but they were more than in it until we grabbed the third. The only dominant performance under Cook this season was at Portsmouth.
In some ways, Cook and McKenna’s runs have been similar to that extent. We had a dominant performance (Plymouth under McKenna was superb but feels a long time ago now) but then slipped back. I think, for me, the way we looked so meek against Cambridge and the second half against Rotherham is the concerning thing. Other than the Rotherham match down here I can’t recall us being pummelled to such an extent this season at any point under Cook.
It’s worrying that I have to add I wouldn’t switch McKenna for Cook for anything but I will. I would love to see three imposing performances to see out the season though; that would settle some concerns and nerves heading into the summer. |
We were pummelled by teams like Crewe down here under Cook, they may have been loose at the back but we couldn’t stop them cutting through us.
We’ve basically had 4 or 5 bad halves in 15 matches under McKenna | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:57 - Apr 18 with 1631 views | pointofblue |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:46 - Apr 18 by itfcjoe |
We were pummelled by teams like Crewe down here under Cook, they may have been loose at the back but we couldn’t stop them cutting through us.
We’ve basically had 4 or 5 bad halves in 15 matches under McKenna |
Not to the extent we were on Saturday but maybe Rotherham are our kryptonite.
In fairness to McKenna, I can only be critical of Cambridge and the second half against Rotherham. Sheffield Wednesday had extenuating circumstances with an inexperienced midfield at the worst possible time. Which means, since Cambridge, I have to hold my hands up and say I’ve over-reacted - it’s just after Plymouth I thought everything had clicked before reality proved otherwise.
I guess my worry is the worst two performances under McKenna have come in the last three games; it’d be easier to handle if we started under him with these performances then built momentum. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 12:10]
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 12:09 - Apr 18 with 1610 views | reusersfreekicks |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 23:34 - Apr 17 by FrimleyBlue |
It's OK. Joe will dislike KM when he let's one of his mates go. Suddenly it'll be anti KM every week. |
I would stop doubling down. You have been proved wrong on so many occasions yet still continue to sprout rubbish. | | | |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 12:21 - Apr 18 with 1590 views | itfcjoe |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 11:57 - Apr 18 by pointofblue |
Not to the extent we were on Saturday but maybe Rotherham are our kryptonite.
In fairness to McKenna, I can only be critical of Cambridge and the second half against Rotherham. Sheffield Wednesday had extenuating circumstances with an inexperienced midfield at the worst possible time. Which means, since Cambridge, I have to hold my hands up and say I’ve over-reacted - it’s just after Plymouth I thought everything had clicked before reality proved otherwise.
I guess my worry is the worst two performances under McKenna have come in the last three games; it’d be easier to handle if we started under him with these performances then built momentum. [Post edited 18 Apr 2022 12:10]
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The lack of goals is a big concern, and whilst Norwood should’ve scored Saturday all strikers miss good chances but they can’t be too heavily criticised and expected to score every time. The xG for that chance was probably something like 0.4 so he’ll miss as many of those as he scores.
We’ve worked out how to control games, and have controlled 90% of our matches - that on its own won’t be enough but gives us a fantastic platform to build from - which hopefully a full pre season and some signings of the type of player McK fancies will massively help with | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 14:33 - Apr 18 with 1519 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:16 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
Because we had a terrible manager who nearly half the season 'gelling' the team. [Post edited 17 Apr 2022 21:56]
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People can mock the 'gelling' all they like but it was obviously an issue with so many players arriving. A number of the players have said words to that effect as well.
You could argue Cook was daft to change so many at once, but that's a slightly tangental issue. |  |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 14:37 - Apr 18 with 1509 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 20:31 - Apr 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Of course it plays a part. But kms now had enough games for people to stop using it like its the ONLY reason we are where we are. The first 20 games didn't result in our form over the last 10 games.
PC era has gone. Its defo played a part in why we didn't finish top 6, but we've had plenty games his sacking to get a higher finish than we are about to have.
We can't score goals. We still haven't won 3 in a row. Etc etc
There's a 3 win difference thats all, between the two 20 game periods being compared on here
1 of which under PC. Had no Walton in it for over 50% of those games. No celina as often as now. No morsy for 8 of those games and no burns for 8 of them.
So is it right to compare the two periods when the players a available were so different?
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I really don't see the point of any of this until McKenna's had a crack at playing with his own hand rather than someone's else's. | |
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| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 14:42 - Apr 18 with 1502 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| " A Very Good Team" the common phrase from opposition managers.. on 21:59 - Apr 17 by BarcaBlue |
You've written a lot of words but very little sense when trying to make sense of the point you are trying to make. I don't see how you're claiming McKenna has had an easier job. I don't see how you think Cook was hampered by Celina and Burns missing some matches when you'd get rid of them anyway. I don't understand how you can ignore McKenna not having a full squad either. |
It's certainly easier in one aspect for McKenna in that he didn't have to wait for the players to gel. When Cook got them they were strangers (albeit he chose to do that). When McKenna got them they'd been playing together for half a season. | |
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