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New law coming in next week for the maximum sentence for both dangerous driving that kills and dangerous driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs and kill to go from 14 years to life. . I can sort of understand it a bit more for the latter of those two situations but the first is very harsh imo. Not sure someone making a genuine mistake for potentially 1 second of their life should cost them the remainder of it behind bars even if they’ve caused a death.
Saw some old boy turning in off a junction to go the wrong way down the motorway a few months back. Now whilst it was an incredibly stupid mistake to have made, if a car had hit him and it killed the other driver, I don’t think him being jailed for the rest of his life is fair when it would have been a genuine (albeit hugely costly) mistake. Perhaps I’m too soft but it just seems harsh. 14 years maximum sentence is enough already. Will need to be an equally tough judge anyway to ever give that maximum sentence even for the most clear cut case of dangerous driving.
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 16:36 - Jun 26 by LeoMuff
Would disagree, cannabis can be detected in your urine 30 days after, and 90 days in a hair follicle.
I doubt after 30 to 90 days there is any influence on your judgement, but presumably may influence your sentencing.
I would argue that its effects on judgment are rather long-lasting too. However, that is simply on observation rather than scientific evidence. One would assume there would be a level at which it is considered relevant but I don't really know the detail of the law referred to.
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 11:51 - Jun 26 by BloomBlue
Ridiculous statement
Are you saying they accidentally got drunk and accidentally drove a car?? No, they deliberately went and got drunk / took drugs and then deliberately got into a car and drove it.
I was going to reply to this but it's so stupid there's really just no point.
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A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 21:41 - Jun 26 with 1222 views
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 14:01 - Jun 26 by eireblue
It seems perfectly reasonably to suggest that if someone gets into a car whilst drunk, and kills someone, that is equivalent to killing someone by some other criminal means.
The result is the same. So yes, I think it is a fair comparison.
You don’t drive drunk by accident.
Therefore the consequences of driving whilst drunk, is not an accident.
Someone who goes over the limit and drives is an idiot... but they're not setting out to kill someone are they? Of course it's different to someone getting a gun and shooting people.
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A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 21:44 - Jun 26 with 1205 views
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 21:41 - Jun 26 by The_Flashing_Smile
Someone who goes over the limit and drives is an idiot... but they're not setting out to kill someone are they? Of course it's different to someone getting a gun and shooting people.
But I think what many people on here are saying is, it shouldn’t be treated differently.
You’re in a spoiling for a spat mood, so I won’t reply again - but you potentially don’t need to be quite so contrarian on a topic which I don’t doubt has impacted some people on this board very personally.
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A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 21:45 - Jun 26 with 1195 views
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 21:45 - Jun 26 by Swailsey
But I think what many people on here are saying is, it shouldn’t be treated differently.
You’re in a spoiling for a spat mood, so I won’t reply again - but you potentially don’t need to be quite so contrarian on a topic which I don’t doubt has impacted some people on this board very personally.
Again, where have I said it should be treated differently?
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A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 07:44 - Jun 27 with 1033 views
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 14:01 - Jun 26 by eireblue
It seems perfectly reasonably to suggest that if someone gets into a car whilst drunk, and kills someone, that is equivalent to killing someone by some other criminal means.
The result is the same. So yes, I think it is a fair comparison.
You don’t drive drunk by accident.
Therefore the consequences of driving whilst drunk, is not an accident.
Given alcohol is well known for being an impediment to judgement, it’s entirely possible to drink drive by accident. You could have someone who’s just over the limit, but thinks they’re not, all the way through to someone who’s too pissed to realise what they’re doing. Neither would be deliberately setting out to kill someone.
It’s long past the time we had breath tests linked to the starter - the technology’s there and could remove 99% of drink drive cases in one go.
Rommy, isn't most of what you describe 'mitigation', which in most normal courts will result in a reduced sentence anyway.
14 years is nowhere near enough in many cases. A lad driving pissed, (and already banned for drink driving), round here a few years ago hit and killed a 12 year old. He got 4 and a half years, thats not right.
The government just like to announce 'tougher sentencing' every now and then - meanwhile they've basically destroyed the criminal justice system by underfunding it meaning it often takes years for anything to get to trial, and lots of cases are dropped / prosecutions fail because of the long time lag involved.
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A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 10:19 - Jun 27 with 943 views
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 09:54 - Jun 27 by gordon
The government just like to announce 'tougher sentencing' every now and then - meanwhile they've basically destroyed the criminal justice system by underfunding it meaning it often takes years for anything to get to trial, and lots of cases are dropped / prosecutions fail because of the long time lag involved.
Yeah, there is certainly that element to these types of announcements.
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 10:19 - Jun 27 by Swansea_Blue
Yeah, there is certainly that element to these types of announcements.
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Indeed. And there is zero evidence that stiff sentences act as any sort of deterrent for acts that are usually stupid & reckless, rather than with criminal intent. However, they will please a certain element of the public.
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 09:54 - Jun 27 by gordon
The government just like to announce 'tougher sentencing' every now and then - meanwhile they've basically destroyed the criminal justice system by underfunding it meaning it often takes years for anything to get to trial, and lots of cases are dropped / prosecutions fail because of the long time lag involved.
A potential life sentence for dangerous driving on 12:31 - Jun 27 by Radlett_blue
Indeed. And there is zero evidence that stiff sentences act as any sort of deterrent for acts that are usually stupid & reckless, rather than with criminal intent. However, they will please a certain element of the public.
The death penalty for miscarriages of justice will, though. According to Priti Patel anyway.
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