| [Redacted] on 15:00 - Aug 19 with 595 views | victorywilhappen |
| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 14:50 - Aug 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Congrats on some mental gymnastics again.
It clearly was political in many parts of the world, I didn’t make it anything.
Yes I was very concerned from a public health perspective for all kinds of reasons, not just one, as I’ve already noted on this thread. |
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| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 15:03 - Aug 19 with 586 views | Darth_Koont |
No, they were acting. And as I said, the care homes were a disaster. The independent health authority held their hands up on that to say they hadn't realised how unprepared/unsuited the care homes were to lock down and lower the risks themselves. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 15:13 - Aug 19 with 553 views | victorywilhappen |
| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 15:03 - Aug 19 by Darth_Koont |
No, they were acting. And as I said, the care homes were a disaster. The independent health authority held their hands up on that to say they hadn't realised how unprepared/unsuited the care homes were to lock down and lower the risks themselves. |
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| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 15:28 - Aug 19 with 519 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes but the care homes were largely privatised and weren’t under the same control.
That may well change particularly with regard to infectious disease but also the overall care and medical gaps exposed.
Sweden was under restrictions more widely to slow the spread. But these were through social behaviour and letting people work from home rather than legal restrictions per se. Not to mention financial measures like furloughing staff even before the UK did it. | |
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| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 20:18 - Aug 19 with 454 views | Mullet |
The debate was fairly straightforward though, herd immunity was a myth and a recipe for disaster given the density and lack of health amongst our population.
It's surely not coincidental that COVID and diabetes (the article doesn't differentiate between 1 and 2 at all does it?) and circulatory diseases all disproportionately affect the obese.
This idea we could just sacrifice people who were unlucky or "weaker" was abhorrent as was "let the bodies pile high". There's far more complexity than you are presenting here and lockdowns were exacerbated by the dallying of a government too busy divvying up the cash they could redirect to their mates.
"The usual suspects" seems rather vague and unhelpful given it seems to be a coverall for those who could see beyond themselves all too often. |  |
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| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 21:12 - Aug 19 with 431 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 20:18 - Aug 19 by Mullet |
The debate was fairly straightforward though, herd immunity was a myth and a recipe for disaster given the density and lack of health amongst our population.
It's surely not coincidental that COVID and diabetes (the article doesn't differentiate between 1 and 2 at all does it?) and circulatory diseases all disproportionately affect the obese.
This idea we could just sacrifice people who were unlucky or "weaker" was abhorrent as was "let the bodies pile high". There's far more complexity than you are presenting here and lockdowns were exacerbated by the dallying of a government too busy divvying up the cash they could redirect to their mates.
"The usual suspects" seems rather vague and unhelpful given it seems to be a coverall for those who could see beyond themselves all too often. |
Come off it, I spent ages going into the complexities particularly on the lockdown and travel restriction thread but all I got was it would have been much worse, told to shove bleach up my arse and called a selfish you know what etc.
Locking down tens of millions of healthy people after the horse had left the stable wasn’t correct IMO, given that Covid wasn’t going anywhere, we knew who we needed to shield and had vaccines. It was damaging other areas of public health. Not to mention the economic issues which we going to be paying for, for a long time. A lot of the SAGE models have now proved to be rubbish.
Either way there’s studies clearly highlighting some of my concerns and I’m happy to listen to others views on it, doesn’t make someone a bad person because they disagree. |  | | |
| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 21:14 - Aug 19 with 428 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 13:48 - Aug 19 by DanTheMan |
"Of course those who put forward that any of this was up for debate were attacked by the usual suspects."
Because putting that in is going to help matters 
On subject, I don't think anyone was of the opinion there were no downsides to lockdown(s), just that they were perhaps the best of a bad situation.
Think of it this way, do you think there would be no backlog if we'd have just not bothered and let it spread on mass, especially when we didn't have vaccines to prevent serious illnesses? Hospitals would have been completely overwhelmed which would have also caused a backlog.
Personally I think a long running public health emergency was probably going to cause a backlog one way or another. It doesn't help that we've underfunded the NHS for some time. |
It was also very clearly argued that earlier, shorter lockdowns would have been more effective and not had such a severe effect. But the Government feared it so much they ignored that advice. |  |
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| Worrying trends linked to extended lockdowns on 22:03 - Aug 19 with 386 views | Swansea_Blue |
So the NHS needs more support to enable it to keep on top of demand and needed more support during Covid to allow it to cope with Covid and other cases. Tell us something we don’t know. |  |
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