| Israel gonna Israel on 10:38 - Sep 4 with 759 views | Ryorry |
| Israel gonna Israel on 09:57 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Exactly. It’s not so much that we support such regimes and their wars/occupations against innocent men, women and children.
But incredible that there’s little to no political, media or public debate about it. |
I've seen shedloads of debate & protest about Saudi Arabia & UK arms sales etc to it on both MSM & sm, including here. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:38 - Sep 4 with 783 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:21 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
So we’re fully against Putin but arm, train and apologise for the Saudis because of the scale and geopolitical significance?
It’s an awful look. |
Nobody is defending UK foreign policy here.
You were having difficulty understanding why the Ukraine War might get more media coverage in the UK than Yemen. |  | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:46 - Sep 4 with 727 views | lowhouseblue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:34 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t agree with anyone supporting Iran and its regime on its own terms. But we’re talking about Press TV which allows media criticism of Israel and support for Palestinians within the West. At a time when the Palestinians are being ignored.
Would I prefer it to be on other outlets not connected to a backward regime? Absolutely. Show me the way.
Yet we do legitimise, support and even arm the Saudis and you have NOTHING to say about that because it’s not some pro-Palestinian left-wingers on a TV show …
Top tip: when discussing morality and standards, you probably need at least a passing acquaintance with them first. |
i never start threads about the middle east. i rarely join threads about israeli actions (though you do tend very often bring israel into threads about the uk so i can't avoid those). you constantly / obsessively post about israel and never mention the really evil regime in iran. and you're even prepared to turn a blind eye to that regime because press tv broadcasts stuff that supports your world view. apparently, you'd 'prefer' to have those views spouted somewhere else, but your opposition to the evil regime in iran isn't sufficient to stop you supporting their propaganda arm. your political hero has taken money from the iranian regime. lovely. what moral high ground you occupy.
i do wonder why you are comfortable with such appalling double standards?? |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:48 - Sep 4 with 744 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:38 - Sep 4 by Ryorry |
I've seen shedloads of debate & protest about Saudi Arabia & UK arms sales etc to it on both MSM & sm, including here. |
On social media, of course there’s criticism. People generally aren’t as stupid, selfish and dully trotting out narratives as our politicians and media. You can apply that to almost any issue too.
Where in the media is the debate and protest about Saudi Arabia and our support of their war in Yemen (let alone propping up their regime ? I’ve seen a column or two.
Our media (and opposition parties) should be all over it but it’s just not in their own interests. You can double that for covering Israel given how the pressure has been ramped up on those calling out the Israeli government in the 2000s. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:57 - Sep 4 with 708 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:34 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t agree with anyone supporting Iran and its regime on its own terms. But we’re talking about Press TV which allows media criticism of Israel and support for Palestinians within the West. At a time when the Palestinians are being ignored.
Would I prefer it to be on other outlets not connected to a backward regime? Absolutely. Show me the way.
Yet we do legitimise, support and even arm the Saudis and you have NOTHING to say about that because it’s not some pro-Palestinian left-wingers on a TV show …
Top tip: when discussing morality and standards, you probably need at least a passing acquaintance with them first. |
Press TV also supported protests against LGBT lessons in the UK. It’s a vile peddler of hate and propaganda. | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:57 - Sep 4 with 707 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:46 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
i never start threads about the middle east. i rarely join threads about israeli actions (though you do tend very often bring israel into threads about the uk so i can't avoid those). you constantly / obsessively post about israel and never mention the really evil regime in iran. and you're even prepared to turn a blind eye to that regime because press tv broadcasts stuff that supports your world view. apparently, you'd 'prefer' to have those views spouted somewhere else, but your opposition to the evil regime in iran isn't sufficient to stop you supporting their propaganda arm. your political hero has taken money from the iranian regime. lovely. what moral high ground you occupy.
i do wonder why you are comfortable with such appalling double standards?? |
Don’t be such a smeary dick.
I bring up Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians because it’s the longest-running occupation and injustice over generations. And because Israel is our own strategic partner so we’re complicit.
And I also bring up Saudi Arabia for the exact same reason. Another UK strategic partner and another dodgy regime.
What’s your excuse for always taking the other side (or at least apologising for it) when it comes to injustice – abroad or at home? | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 10:59 - Sep 4 with 702 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:57 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Press TV also supported protests against LGBT lessons in the UK. It’s a vile peddler of hate and propaganda. |
As bad as the Sun or the Mail? Wow!
Let me know when I defend someone saying anything like that. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 11:06 - Sep 4 with 685 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:38 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Nobody is defending UK foreign policy here.
You were having difficulty understanding why the Ukraine War might get more media coverage in the UK than Yemen. |
“Nobody is defending UK foreign policy here.”
Silence and/or specious arguments that Ukraine is completely different is a defence of UK foreign policy. It’s not a very good defence but it’s all about moving on and not addressing or challenging the central point that we support some pretty evil and Putinesque stuff. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 11:13 - Sep 4 with 667 views | brazil1982 |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:59 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
As bad as the Sun or the Mail? Wow!
Let me know when I defend someone saying anything like that. |
Why are you so interested in Israel / Palestine? |  | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 11:15 - Sep 4 with 661 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 11:13 - Sep 4 by brazil1982 |
Why are you so interested in Israel / Palestine? |
Why isn’t everyone?
And I’m interested in lots of things. | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 12:01 - Sep 4 with 617 views | Darth_Koont |
| Israel gonna Israel on 11:15 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
Why isn’t everyone?
And I’m interested in lots of things. |
Well? | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 13:30 - Sep 4 with 573 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:59 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
As bad as the Sun or the Mail? Wow!
Let me know when I defend someone saying anything like that. |
Indeed.
The propaganda arm of a pariah state, which broadcasts overt homophobia and antisemitism is definitely the type of employer I’d be looking for if I was to push a ‘kinder, gentler politics’. | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 13:37 - Sep 4 with 564 views | monytowbray |
| Israel gonna Israel on 10:08 - Sep 4 by lowhouseblue |
so the press reporting on ukraine but not yemen = double standards.
dk obsessively focusing on israel and never mentioning the appalling regime in iran while actively supporting its propaganda arm = absolutely fine, nothing to see here.
lovely. |
This from the bloke who criticises any progressive movement on an estimated 9:1 ratio vs having any decisive views on anything remotely progressive.
And here is he is again, doing the usual GOTCHA, YOUR MOVE LIBS act. |  |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 15:55 - Sep 4 with 512 views | ZXBlue |
| Israel gonna Israel on 11:06 - Sep 4 by Darth_Koont |
“Nobody is defending UK foreign policy here.”
Silence and/or specious arguments that Ukraine is completely different is a defence of UK foreign policy. It’s not a very good defence but it’s all about moving on and not addressing or challenging the central point that we support some pretty evil and Putinesque stuff. |
To note that something is not the same issue, is not a "defence". | | | |
| Israel gonna Israel on 16:17 - Sep 4 with 487 views | monytowbray |
| Israel gonna Israel on 15:55 - Sep 4 by ZXBlue |
To note that something is not the same issue, is not a "defence". |
Why are you getting the arse because DK proved your statement about media coverage as wrong?
You’ve moved the goalposts of debate from “It’s called out all the time (wrong)” to “not everything is given equal air time (correct but whatteraboutery)” via Lowhouse giving you a small thread to hang off.
Arguing about how much air time a subject does or does not get doesn’t take away from the original point. And anyone with half a brain cell and an A-Level in media/history can see the context of that sits in the realms of propaganda. Of course the government and UK press want to make a big thing of our heroic spirit helping Ukraine whilst ignoring the fact we also arm multiple terrorist states in the name of resources and control. It’s not some limited binary thing about topicality or locality.
You can curate an social media feed to tell any story you like based on personally interesting topics you care about, do you not think media isn’t guilty of this as well? | |
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| Israel gonna Israel on 16:27 - Sep 4 with 478 views | monytowbray |
| Israel gonna Israel on 13:30 - Sep 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed.
The propaganda arm of a pariah state, which broadcasts overt homophobia and antisemitism is definitely the type of employer I’d be looking for if I was to push a ‘kinder, gentler politics’. |
So basically we’ve gone from criticising apartheid to linking the thread with Corbyn and Antisemitism, which somehow proves… hang on, what is your point here and how does it link to the OP? What are you suggesting James? [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 16:28]
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| Israel gonna Israel on 17:41 - Sep 4 with 429 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel gonna Israel on 16:27 - Sep 4 by monytowbray |
So basically we’ve gone from criticising apartheid to linking the thread with Corbyn and Antisemitism, which somehow proves… hang on, what is your point here and how does it link to the OP? What are you suggesting James? [Post edited 4 Sep 2022 16:28]
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He's another constant goalpost mover. |  |
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