| Why do we have to have a head of state? 09:01 - Sep 11 with 4710 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The choice is always presented as monarch or president but why can't it be neither? |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:31 - Sep 11 with 711 views | ZXBlue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:29 - Sep 11 by buoyant |
It's subjective and prejudiced, but hey let's just ignore that bit. |
Of course its subjective. How can it be otherwise?
Equally, you can't simply say its prejudiced. Apart from anything, a system of honours does not have a motivation, only the people running it. |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:31 - Sep 11 with 716 views | leitrimblue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:26 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
"everyone in society has equal access to all the resources needed for a happy and successful life? "
What bit of that is not communism? Equal access to everything needed for happiness and success. Not just social basics, but everything necessary for happiness and success.... |
So your suggesting that all early and many modern hunter gatherer societies lived in a state of communism thousands of years prior to the concept evolving? |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:32 - Sep 11 with 714 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:12 - Sep 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah but we both voted for Brexit so maybe they gave a point. |
Speak for yourself. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:42 - Sep 11 with 683 views | jeera |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:26 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
"everyone in society has equal access to all the resources needed for a happy and successful life? "
What bit of that is not communism? Equal access to everything needed for happiness and success. Not just social basics, but everything necessary for happiness and success.... |
That's a bizarre take.
The social basics are an absolute necessity for anyone to be able to build a happy and successful life.
That in isolation is hardly communism.
I'll go ahead and guess your intention then to argue those are already in place and accessible to all. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:56 - Sep 11 with 676 views | BlueNomad |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 09:11 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Other reforms are available and anyway let's face it, Presidents come from the same stock. The ultimate check and balance should come from a well informed, engaged public perhaps.
Edit....the general point is really that it is only ever presented as an either or thing which only occurred to me this morning. [Post edited 11 Sep 2022 9:13]
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The well informed and engaged public who said “I like Boris, he’s fun…….” |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:02 - Sep 11 with 668 views | BlueNomad |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:50 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
Its an honour in recognition of achievement or service. No obvious harm in that. |
Is it an achievement to be one of Johnson’s Russian mates? | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:10 - Sep 11 with 649 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:56 - Sep 11 by BlueNomad |
The well informed and engaged public who said “I like Boris, he’s fun…….” |
Agreed. And that’s really a consequence of the absence of a well-informed and engaged media.
Our media should be one of the most important checks and balances in a democracy plus a key source of actual information and evidence. But in practice it’s generally what props up our undemocratic system and is the tool to spread opinion to counter and marginalise the facts.
We need reform of the actual system and structures of power. That’s big but much more pragmatic than expecting the public to be able to see beyond the Matrix of narrative. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:16 - Sep 11 with 634 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:56 - Sep 11 by BlueNomad |
The well informed and engaged public who said “I like Boris, he’s fun…….” |
I was suggesting that's what we should strive for, not what we have. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:26 - Sep 11 with 623 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:31 - Sep 11 by leitrimblue |
So your suggesting that all early and many modern hunter gatherer societies lived in a state of communism thousands of years prior to the concept evolving? |
Did Communism evolve ? There were socialistic ideas before Karl Marx but it took long hours of study in The British Library for him to come up with a manifesto and Das Kapital, they were strongly thought out and designed tracts that didn't just happen.
And anyway Jesus Christ was the the first communist... |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:31 - Sep 11 with 613 views | jaykay |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:10 - Sep 11 by jeera |
It's interesting if people read words that spell out equality and automatically see communism.
Equality shouldn't be seen as something to fear which is of course the root problem.
The 'haves' frightened they may have to share a little of what they've taken out of society with other members of that same society. [Post edited 11 Sep 2022 13:17]
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i remember reading about someone who said if i give food to the poor i am a saint , but if i ask the reason why these people are poor ,i am a communist.
which is more or less proven by the poster you answered |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 17:09 - Sep 11 with 565 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:31 - Sep 11 by jaykay |
i remember reading about someone who said if i give food to the poor i am a saint , but if i ask the reason why these people are poor ,i am a communist.
which is more or less proven by the poster you answered |
Helder Camara ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9lder_C%C3%A2mara |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 18:59 - Sep 11 with 544 views | WeWereZombies |
And I only find out who held a camera after all the puns have been done on another thread. But, anyway, concerning my earlier post on this thread I note from that Wikipedia page "My socialism is special, it's a socialism that respects the human person and goes back to the Gospels. My socialism is justice."
And going back to the first post and the original question in this thread, I wonder how Bankster would feel if the United Kingdom decided to do without a head of state and we found out that through the jumble of laws made and repealed over the centuries it then meant we had to go to the Pope for a final say ? | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 19:27 - Sep 11 with 532 views | BlueNomad |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 14:16 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was suggesting that's what we should strive for, not what we have. |
I know. I was just being cynical about the lack of interest or knowledge to make informed decisions | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 19:48 - Sep 11 with 524 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Why can't we have discussions like this, (and its quite a reasonable conversation to have by the way), at a more appropriate time?
Like when she's in the ground. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 19:54 - Sep 11 with 515 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 19:48 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why can't we have discussions like this, (and its quite a reasonable conversation to have by the way), at a more appropriate time?
Like when she's in the ground. |
I would say it is perhaps the most appropriate time seeing as how the latest one is in the process of being installed. I'm not sure this thread has been in any way disrespectful tbh. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:05 - Sep 11 with 505 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 19:54 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I would say it is perhaps the most appropriate time seeing as how the latest one is in the process of being installed. I'm not sure this thread has been in any way disrespectful tbh. |
OK, then its a pointless conversation. No change can be made to the monarchy without an act of parliament. Its parliament that sustains it, not the monarchy itself.
If you want it gone, which is fair enough, write to your MP. I've not mentioned the thread being disrespectful by the way, but the timing is. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:16 - Sep 11 with 484 views | bluelagos |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:05 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
OK, then its a pointless conversation. No change can be made to the monarchy without an act of parliament. Its parliament that sustains it, not the monarchy itself.
If you want it gone, which is fair enough, write to your MP. I've not mentioned the thread being disrespectful by the way, but the timing is. |
Why is the timing wrong? One Monarch has died, and before they are even buried the next Monarch is being installed with the full weight of the establishment, all the pomp and circumstance, all broadcast to the masses, without so much as debate or discussion.
But we can't comment, question or debate this now? Yet they can install the next Monarch now?
Seems a rather bizarre position to me and far from consistent. Either wait til the late Queen is buried or don't. Yet you literally want it both ways. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:22 - Sep 11 with 481 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:16 - Sep 11 by bluelagos |
Why is the timing wrong? One Monarch has died, and before they are even buried the next Monarch is being installed with the full weight of the establishment, all the pomp and circumstance, all broadcast to the masses, without so much as debate or discussion.
But we can't comment, question or debate this now? Yet they can install the next Monarch now?
Seems a rather bizarre position to me and far from consistent. Either wait til the late Queen is buried or don't. Yet you literally want it both ways. |
Yes, they can install the next monarch now. Its covered in the Succession to the Crown Act 2013.
Again, if you don't like it, and thats your right, your recourse is to write to your MP.
Or you could start using a hashtag as in your previous thread. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:27 - Sep 11 with 466 views | bluelagos |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:22 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yes, they can install the next monarch now. Its covered in the Succession to the Crown Act 2013.
Again, if you don't like it, and thats your right, your recourse is to write to your MP.
Or you could start using a hashtag as in your previous thread. |
Thanks for the tips. When you joining the debate? | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:31 - Sep 11 with 454 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:27 - Sep 11 by bluelagos |
Thanks for the tips. When you joining the debate? |
As I've said. I'm very happy to debate this a week Tuesday. And I can see the benefits of both positions, both pro and anti monarchy.
But, at the moment, it's not really a debate is it? Just you voicing your opinion and being entirely blinkered about it, which to be honest, isn't exactly unexpected is it? | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:33 - Sep 11 with 443 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:31 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As I've said. I'm very happy to debate this a week Tuesday. And I can see the benefits of both positions, both pro and anti monarchy.
But, at the moment, it's not really a debate is it? Just you voicing your opinion and being entirely blinkered about it, which to be honest, isn't exactly unexpected is it? |
You are coming across somewhat triggered this evening CB....perhaps not a good time to engage. Although if you disagree perhaps write to your MP. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:35 - Sep 11 with 440 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:33 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You are coming across somewhat triggered this evening CB....perhaps not a good time to engage. Although if you disagree perhaps write to your MP. |
No, not at all.
In fact, you are literally the one who has just replied with an entirely flippant post. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:36 - Sep 11 with 437 views | bluelagos |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:31 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
As I've said. I'm very happy to debate this a week Tuesday. And I can see the benefits of both positions, both pro and anti monarchy.
But, at the moment, it's not really a debate is it? Just you voicing your opinion and being entirely blinkered about it, which to be honest, isn't exactly unexpected is it? |
Eh?
I gave an opinion, you've not challenged them other than stating now is not the time for a debate. I don't agree with that, but that is being blinkered?
Anyhow, you clearly don't wish to debate things now so I'll wish you a restful week. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:41 - Sep 11 with 433 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:36 - Sep 11 by bluelagos |
Eh?
I gave an opinion, you've not challenged them other than stating now is not the time for a debate. I don't agree with that, but that is being blinkered?
Anyhow, you clearly don't wish to debate things now so I'll wish you a restful week. |
BL.
You've signed off another post with, "Not My King".
How is that not a completely blinkered point of view? Will you bring anything to the debate or will it just be you re-enforcing your position?
If thats all it is, then its not really going to be a debate at all. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:44 - Sep 11 with 432 views | bluelagos |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 20:41 - Sep 11 by Cheltenham_Blue |
BL.
You've signed off another post with, "Not My King".
How is that not a completely blinkered point of view? Will you bring anything to the debate or will it just be you re-enforcing your position?
If thats all it is, then its not really going to be a debate at all. |
My opening position is I am a republican. So no, Chalres is not my King.
But I am still very open to being convinced that having an unelected head of state is something I should get behind.
The floor is yours :-) | |
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