| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 22:31 - Sep 22 with 706 views | Lord_Lucan |
It's an extremely problematic situation. I would think that undoubtably the residents of Eire would have it but then you have the NI Protestants who would be against it.
I don't claim to be any authority on the Island of Ireland or in particular Northern Ireland but I do have a good few connections in the north. My take - for what it's worth - is that the start of a reunification would lead to a reverse repeat of the IRA troubles
IMHO the only reason the Protestants were willing to talk about peace was because they knew they would be outbred. I remember having this conversation relatively recently on here but I was rather poo pooed.
If it is done without bloodshed I would say it will take at least two generations. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 22:48]
|  |
|  |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 22:46 - Sep 22 with 686 views | Lord_Lucan |
Of course if you were to think outside of the box you could rename the country to something like New Ireland and have have it as a completely unified state on it's own - with links to Eire and GB | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:43 - Sep 22 with 641 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:37 - Sep 22 by HARRY10 |
They could rename the southern bit the Republic of Ireland (ROI) 
I think as with much else, the thought is to allow things to take their course. A few more years of NI being part of the Single Market, and them seeing the disastrous effect it is having in GB, greater integration will continue. As stated there's a whole generation grown up who have only known the border to be the same as Suffolk and Essex.
NI prosperity is coming from being part of that. Cutting itself off from the rest of the world in some isolationist inward looking dystopian future is never going to appeal.
And even that is already being rowed back on. Greater numbers of work permits are being issued and it will become a flood if the UK is to survive - NHS, care homes, agriculture, food processing....
The guff about taking back control has backfired badly. Being outside the Dublin Accord has meant a free for all in crossing the channel. And the government looks to have given up on the idea of import controls as well.
Not only has the implementation date been pushed back for the fourth time, but there has been little infrastructure built either. The thought there being as it will never be used then why bother. There is also the no small matter that as the staff would need to come from the EU (vets especially) it would not sit well.
So, it will be like watching the tide come in. A slow movement towards a united Ireland and the UK back in the EU, and the loudest voices against change will be long dead. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 23:57]
|
I didn't explain myself properly, apologies - I was talking about renaming Ulster. | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:55 - Sep 22 with 635 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 22:31 - Sep 22 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an extremely problematic situation. I would think that undoubtably the residents of Eire would have it but then you have the NI Protestants who would be against it.
I don't claim to be any authority on the Island of Ireland or in particular Northern Ireland but I do have a good few connections in the north. My take - for what it's worth - is that the start of a reunification would lead to a reverse repeat of the IRA troubles
IMHO the only reason the Protestants were willing to talk about peace was because they knew they would be outbred. I remember having this conversation relatively recently on here but I was rather poo pooed.
If it is done without bloodshed I would say it will take at least two generations. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 22:48]
|
I don't think anyone's rushing it.
But it is happening. Hearts and minds. |  | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:59 - Sep 22 with 630 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:55 - Sep 22 by XYZ |
I don't think anyone's rushing it.
But it is happening. Hearts and minds. |
Yes, I agree, it will happen and it's not something that I have a right to criticise.
If you want my honest opinion I would be a bit sad because I don't want to break up the UK - but I have no skin in this game and I can appreciate the popular opinion of the day. | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:11 - Sep 23 with 622 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:59 - Sep 22 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, I agree, it will happen and it's not something that I have a right to criticise.
If you want my honest opinion I would be a bit sad because I don't want to break up the UK - but I have no skin in this game and I can appreciate the popular opinion of the day. |
That's fair enough. I'm no historian so I can't provide an analysis, but it always seemed an inevitability to me as an immigrant to the UK. | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:23 - Sep 23 with 615 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:11 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
That's fair enough. I'm no historian so I can't provide an analysis, but it always seemed an inevitability to me as an immigrant to the UK. |
The problem with history is that historians only go back to the date that suits their narrative.
I would like to think I have a just about above average take on modern history but then I will have a conversation with someone and they will blow me away - so what the hell do I know.
The Irish thing though is complicated enough for mere mortals like myself but having spoken on a friends basis from people on both sides of the divide my conclusion is that I am not in the remotest bit learned enough to preach about anything. I have had conversations on numerous occasions with people from both sides of the divide and on each occasion I have become more confused - and on that basis - I'm out! | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:30 - Sep 23 with 612 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:23 - Sep 23 by Lord_Lucan |
The problem with history is that historians only go back to the date that suits their narrative.
I would like to think I have a just about above average take on modern history but then I will have a conversation with someone and they will blow me away - so what the hell do I know.
The Irish thing though is complicated enough for mere mortals like myself but having spoken on a friends basis from people on both sides of the divide my conclusion is that I am not in the remotest bit learned enough to preach about anything. I have had conversations on numerous occasions with people from both sides of the divide and on each occasion I have become more confused - and on that basis - I'm out! |
It was always the physical thing for me - it's an island FFS. Why is it split in two?
Oh, Britain! Lord of all division. Israel/ Palestine - India/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh - etc etc
Failing empires take ages to fail completely. | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:46 - Sep 23 with 605 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:30 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
It was always the physical thing for me - it's an island FFS. Why is it split in two?
Oh, Britain! Lord of all division. Israel/ Palestine - India/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh - etc etc
Failing empires take ages to fail completely. |
Ah, well you see, I have a genuine medical condition in that I don't remember short term things - so, unless you are deep stained into my mind I don't know who people are on here - inasmuch as for all I know you could be a right wing or left wing loon.
On the basis of your last post you seem to be carrying some historic UK guilt. I hope you pull through and move on.
I'm gonna split anyway.
Nighty night dear boy. I wish you well. | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 01:03 - Sep 23 with 598 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:46 - Sep 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Ah, well you see, I have a genuine medical condition in that I don't remember short term things - so, unless you are deep stained into my mind I don't know who people are on here - inasmuch as for all I know you could be a right wing or left wing loon.
On the basis of your last post you seem to be carrying some historic UK guilt. I hope you pull through and move on.
I'm gonna split anyway.
Nighty night dear boy. I wish you well. |
Go see a doctor, you seem to have an extended family that depend on your explosive skills, which may be waning, going by your comments.
I'm left wing.
I have no UK guilt because I'm not originally UK. I'm an outsider.
Talk to a doctor. | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 07:08 - Sep 23 with 526 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 00:30 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
It was always the physical thing for me - it's an island FFS. Why is it split in two?
Oh, Britain! Lord of all division. Israel/ Palestine - India/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh - etc etc
Failing empires take ages to fail completely. |
Indeed. Do you apply the same logic to this Island?
It’s a physical thing. Why split it into three? |  |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:47 - Sep 23 with 489 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 23:43 - Sep 22 by Lord_Lucan |
I didn't explain myself properly, apologies - I was talking about renaming Ulster. |
Sorry about being pedantic but the province of Ulster contains counties that are in the RoI. Easy mistake to make as the Unionists don't seem to get that either.
Cavan,Donegal and Monaghan are in the Republic of Ireland.
I have a simpler solution, combine both parts and call the resulting country Ireland. |  | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:49 - Sep 23 with 489 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 01:03 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
Go see a doctor, you seem to have an extended family that depend on your explosive skills, which may be waning, going by your comments.
I'm left wing.
I have no UK guilt because I'm not originally UK. I'm an outsider.
Talk to a doctor. |
I went to a doctor for a memory test and I passed with flying colours.
My wife thinks it's because I have too much on my mind and don't concentrate and my daughter who specialises in dementia says I have alcohol induced dementia.
I forget what my boy thinks.
Where are you originally from dear boy, anywhere exciting? | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:53 - Sep 23 with 487 views | Radlett_blue |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 22:31 - Sep 22 by Lord_Lucan |
It's an extremely problematic situation. I would think that undoubtably the residents of Eire would have it but then you have the NI Protestants who would be against it.
I don't claim to be any authority on the Island of Ireland or in particular Northern Ireland but I do have a good few connections in the north. My take - for what it's worth - is that the start of a reunification would lead to a reverse repeat of the IRA troubles
IMHO the only reason the Protestants were willing to talk about peace was because they knew they would be outbred. I remember having this conversation relatively recently on here but I was rather poo pooed.
If it is done without bloodshed I would say it will take at least two generations. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 22:48]
|
Step one would be de-segregating the schools. But yes, it will take at least one generation for the suspicion & hatred to dissipate. |  |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:57 - Sep 23 with 485 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:47 - Sep 23 by Eireannach_gorm |
Sorry about being pedantic but the province of Ulster contains counties that are in the RoI. Easy mistake to make as the Unionists don't seem to get that either.
Cavan,Donegal and Monaghan are in the Republic of Ireland.
I have a simpler solution, combine both parts and call the resulting country Ireland. |
Apologies, id I were in your shoes I would be annoyed about that.
You learn something new every day. | |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 10:46 - Sep 23 with 447 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:57 - Sep 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Apologies, id I were in your shoes I would be annoyed about that.
You learn something new every day. |
No need for apologies . The drawing up of this artifical boundry in the beginning was quite random and confusing. The UK government dident know what they wanted and bowed to Unionist pressure.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/how-was-the-irish-border-drawn-in-th
I just noticed the similarity with the current 'elections' in Ukraine. [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 10:49]
| | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 11:47 - Sep 23 with 425 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 07:08 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. Do you apply the same logic to this Island?
It’s a physical thing. Why split it into three? |
That was more organic wasn't it?
Were the six counties separated from the rest anytime before 1921? | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 11:53 - Sep 23 with 420 views | XYZ |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 09:49 - Sep 23 by Lord_Lucan |
I went to a doctor for a memory test and I passed with flying colours.
My wife thinks it's because I have too much on my mind and don't concentrate and my daughter who specialises in dementia says I have alcohol induced dementia.
I forget what my boy thinks.
Where are you originally from dear boy, anywhere exciting? |
Australian from the mid 19th Century. Economic emigrants from Scotland.
Your wife's diagnosis sounds like the one to go with. | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:02 - Sep 23 with 412 views | leitrimblue |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 11:47 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
That was more organic wasn't it?
Were the six counties separated from the rest anytime before 1921? |
In the late iron age parts of Ulster were separated from the rest of Ireland by a large earthwork( ditch and bank) called the black pigs dyke. Ran from the west coast in sligo right across the country |  | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:40 - Sep 23 with 375 views | leitrimblue |
The black pigs dyke is one of my favourite forgotten monuments. (I've worked on it a couple of times). Just couldn't resist mentioning it, though a little off subject... | | | |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:42 - Sep 23 with 370 views | Keno |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:40 - Sep 23 by leitrimblue |
The black pigs dyke is one of my favourite forgotten monuments. (I've worked on it a couple of times). Just couldn't resist mentioning it, though a little off subject... |
In modern times London has tried to isolate itself by building a similar earthwork, its called the M25 |  |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:44 - Sep 23 with 368 views | baxterbasics |
The art of 'winning' by out-breeding the competition. Catholics aren't the only religion playing this long game.
As for NI, I don't know, will make the customs issues easier for sure! I'm a unionist but don't have the same emotional attachment to NI as I do to Scotland/Wales, both of which I would hate to see leave. (Plus I am half Scottish). Just hope that when it comes it is by consent and doesn't get ugly. |  |
| |
| Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland on 12:46 - Sep 23 with 365 views | leitrimblue |
The O'Donnells and the O'Donnell Castle in Ballyshannon are also one of my favourite subjects. Done a good bit of work on the plantation of Leitrim as well. It's an interesting but dark story | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
