| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby 14:10 - Sep 22 with 4319 views | itfcsuth |
Unsure how that will pan out, whether he was suited to being at a club like Rotherham, that mentality and style - complete different mentality at Derby.
Also was gutted when Derby managed to stay up only a couple of seasons ago.
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 07:21 - Sep 23 with 813 views | Chrisd |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 20:25 - Sep 22 by NBVJohn |
I’m not sure what he’s supposed to say. I think he answered fairly blunt and leading questions quite well, although it would have helped enormously if he had taken the opportunity to make a full and frank apology to the supporters of Ipswich Town.
Applying for and being headhunted and / or appointed to a job are however two very different things. He has some quite spectacular managerial baggage to carry as well as some decent achievements. Last time he was appointed to a Championship club it didn’t go well. He’d have some explaining to do at his interview.
Is his Neanderthal sidekick Doig still in tow? |
Yes, totally, but that doesn’t mean that because he’s had a poor experience in the Championship before he can’t then comeback better with the next opportunity. PH seemed like he underestimated the gulf between L1 and the Championship when he was our manager, but let’s not forget ME wasn’t really that forthcoming with funds either and he had a very decent managerial record at the time. Nevertheless, forgetting his Scunthorpe reign, PH has gone away from us and got Grimsby promoted into L2 and doing well this season sitting 8th, 1 point outside the play offs with a game in hand. I’m sure PH would like the chance again at Championship level to prove that his time with us was simply a blip, but also to show he’s learnt from that experience as well. Surely, everybody deserves a second chance? [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 8:00]
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 07:55 - Sep 23 with 767 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 07:21 - Sep 23 by Chrisd |
Yes, totally, but that doesn’t mean that because he’s had a poor experience in the Championship before he can’t then comeback better with the next opportunity. PH seemed like he underestimated the gulf between L1 and the Championship when he was our manager, but let’s not forget ME wasn’t really that forthcoming with funds either and he had a very decent managerial record at the time. Nevertheless, forgetting his Scunthorpe reign, PH has gone away from us and got Grimsby promoted into L2 and doing well this season sitting 8th, 1 point outside the play offs with a game in hand. I’m sure PH would like the chance again at Championship level to prove that his time with us was simply a blip, but also to show he’s learnt from that experience as well. Surely, everybody deserves a second chance? [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 8:00]
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Good luck to him I say. However, he can't say he wasn't backed here, he spent the best part of £5m on Donacien, Jackson, Nolan, Nsiala, Harrison. I feel sick just typing that. | | | |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 09:50 - Sep 23 with 735 views | Radlett_blue |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 07:55 - Sep 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Good luck to him I say. However, he can't say he wasn't backed here, he spent the best part of £5m on Donacien, Jackson, Nolan, Nsiala, Harrison. I feel sick just typing that. |
Indeed, Hurst was backed, in terms of Evans allowing him to waste the proceeds of selling Webster, Waghorn etc on a bunch of pretty average lower league players. He also did a great job of alienating some of Town's senior players, especially those who returned late to pre season after World Cup duty. Almost certainly the worst manager in Town's history (although the equally hapless Jackie Milburn was before my time).
That being said, Hurst has a decent record in the lower leagues & I don't doubt he's effective at that level. A good example of someone being promoted to their level of incompetence, a bit like when Graham Taylor was put in charge of the England team. |  |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 10:00 - Sep 23 with 727 views | Chrisd |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 09:50 - Sep 23 by Radlett_blue |
Indeed, Hurst was backed, in terms of Evans allowing him to waste the proceeds of selling Webster, Waghorn etc on a bunch of pretty average lower league players. He also did a great job of alienating some of Town's senior players, especially those who returned late to pre season after World Cup duty. Almost certainly the worst manager in Town's history (although the equally hapless Jackie Milburn was before my time).
That being said, Hurst has a decent record in the lower leagues & I don't doubt he's effective at that level. A good example of someone being promoted to their level of incompetence, a bit like when Graham Taylor was put in charge of the England team. |
PH backed, wasn’t he encouraged to generate his own funds by selling our better players? Yes, PH could’ve bought better, but the fall out from the ME era certainly doesn’t read well.
Graham Taylor wasn’t incompetent, he might have had his limitations as an international manager, but he was a very decent club manager at various levels of the game, his record speaks for itself. There’s no comparison between his managerial record and PH’s and having said all that he was a thoroughly decent and genuine bloke too and certainly didn’t deserve the treatment he received from our media. | |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 10:57 - Sep 23 with 699 views | Radlett_blue |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 10:00 - Sep 23 by Chrisd |
PH backed, wasn’t he encouraged to generate his own funds by selling our better players? Yes, PH could’ve bought better, but the fall out from the ME era certainly doesn’t read well.
Graham Taylor wasn’t incompetent, he might have had his limitations as an international manager, but he was a very decent club manager at various levels of the game, his record speaks for itself. There’s no comparison between his managerial record and PH’s and having said all that he was a thoroughly decent and genuine bloke too and certainly didn’t deserve the treatment he received from our media. |
Graham Taylor was a decent man & a far better club manager than Paul Hurst, but he was as out of his depth at international level as PH was in the Championship. | |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 11:22 - Sep 23 with 677 views | Chrisd |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 10:57 - Sep 23 by Radlett_blue |
Graham Taylor was a decent man & a far better club manager than Paul Hurst, but he was as out of his depth at international level as PH was in the Championship. |
I'd like to see PH given another go by a Championship club to see if he's learnt from his time with us. I agree, he might have been out of his depth then, doesn't mean that people can't evolve.
Graham Taylor's record as England's manager (1990-93):
P 38 W 18 D 13 L 7 F 62: A 32
Win percentage = 47%
Bobby Robson's record (1982-90):
P 95 W 47 D 30 L 18 F 154: A 60
Win percentage = 49%
Not sure Taylor was out of his depth, his record isn't bad, but felt he made some questionable selections/decisions, perhaps his style was too rigid and his failure to qualify for the World Cup in '94 sealed his fate. The press were relentless with their criticism of him, thought they were way over the top - even at the time. Like they did with BR towards the end of his tenure. Poisonous. [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 11:24]
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:01 - Sep 23 with 643 views | jayessess |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 07:55 - Sep 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Good luck to him I say. However, he can't say he wasn't backed here, he spent the best part of £5m on Donacien, Jackson, Nolan, Nsiala, Harrison. I feel sick just typing that. |
5 players for £5m raised from sales wasn't exactly a luxurious budget in the context of the 2018-19 Championship, was it? Certainly not with the added context of a bottom 6 wage budget.
I think it's obvious that Paul Hurst made a lot of bad mistakes in his brief tenure, but from the sounds of things he walked into a club that was in absolute disarray anyway. There was an interview with Alan Lee recently where he talked about Hurst basically being charged with playing out-from-the-back beautiful passing football, whilst developing young players and buying cheap/selling high from the lower leagues, all on one of the tightest budgets in the league. A plan that basically everyone at the club thought was delusional bar Marcus Evans.
Mix in a squad where the senior players very obviously loved McCarthy and never wanted him to go and I think the margin for error Hurst had was tiny. Don't get me wrong, even with all that, I think he made an abominable job of it. But much better managers than him also would've struggled. |  |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:21 - Sep 23 with 614 views | Radlett_blue |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 11:22 - Sep 23 by Chrisd |
I'd like to see PH given another go by a Championship club to see if he's learnt from his time with us. I agree, he might have been out of his depth then, doesn't mean that people can't evolve.
Graham Taylor's record as England's manager (1990-93):
P 38 W 18 D 13 L 7 F 62: A 32
Win percentage = 47%
Bobby Robson's record (1982-90):
P 95 W 47 D 30 L 18 F 154: A 60
Win percentage = 49%
Not sure Taylor was out of his depth, his record isn't bad, but felt he made some questionable selections/decisions, perhaps his style was too rigid and his failure to qualify for the World Cup in '94 sealed his fate. The press were relentless with their criticism of him, thought they were way over the top - even at the time. Like they did with BR towards the end of his tenure. Poisonous. [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 11:24]
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Win percentages are notoriously misleading. If that's your yardstick, Fabio Capello was the best manager England ever had, while Bobby Robson was inferior to Steve McClaren. For England, the yardstick is qualifying for & performing well in big tournament finals. Taylor did well in friendly matches, which England then used to take more seriously. They only scrambled into the 92 Euros from a weak group & England were poor at the finals. England also would have been expected to make the top 2 from a group containing Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, Turkey and San Marino. His reign was characterised by an inability to make decisions, using a staggering 59 players in a fairly short reign. In the x-rated documentary, it was clear that Taylor was close to mental breakdown from the pressure of the job. | |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:30 - Sep 23 with 592 views | itfcjoe |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:01 - Sep 23 by jayessess |
5 players for £5m raised from sales wasn't exactly a luxurious budget in the context of the 2018-19 Championship, was it? Certainly not with the added context of a bottom 6 wage budget.
I think it's obvious that Paul Hurst made a lot of bad mistakes in his brief tenure, but from the sounds of things he walked into a club that was in absolute disarray anyway. There was an interview with Alan Lee recently where he talked about Hurst basically being charged with playing out-from-the-back beautiful passing football, whilst developing young players and buying cheap/selling high from the lower leagues, all on one of the tightest budgets in the league. A plan that basically everyone at the club thought was delusional bar Marcus Evans.
Mix in a squad where the senior players very obviously loved McCarthy and never wanted him to go and I think the margin for error Hurst had was tiny. Don't get me wrong, even with all that, I think he made an abominable job of it. But much better managers than him also would've struggled. |
£5m on fees is still a substantial amount in the Championship 4 years later, and not one of those players ever looked close to cutting it at that level - bar McKenna coming in and revitalising a couple none even would have got a second contract at the club
And these were players signed to help progress from a side who had just finished 4 times out 5 in the top half of the Championship - JD and latterly Jackson are the only ones who look capable of playing for a top half League 1 side let alone Championship side |  |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:33 - Sep 23 with 574 views | hype313 |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:30 - Sep 23 by itfcjoe |
£5m on fees is still a substantial amount in the Championship 4 years later, and not one of those players ever looked close to cutting it at that level - bar McKenna coming in and revitalising a couple none even would have got a second contract at the club
And these were players signed to help progress from a side who had just finished 4 times out 5 in the top half of the Championship - JD and latterly Jackson are the only ones who look capable of playing for a top half League 1 side let alone Championship side |
£2m on Nsiala and Nolan tells you all you need to know about Hurst's tenure. |  |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:49 - Sep 23 with 534 views | jayessess |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:30 - Sep 23 by itfcjoe |
£5m on fees is still a substantial amount in the Championship 4 years later, and not one of those players ever looked close to cutting it at that level - bar McKenna coming in and revitalising a couple none even would have got a second contract at the club
And these were players signed to help progress from a side who had just finished 4 times out 5 in the top half of the Championship - JD and latterly Jackson are the only ones who look capable of playing for a top half League 1 side let alone Championship side |
It's a more substantial amount in the Championship now than it was in 2018-19.
Transfermarkt has £6.6m as the average transfer spend for that season, compared to £3.3m this one (actual figures are probably higher, there's a lot of undisclosed fees and add-ons I'd guess, they undercount our 2018-19 spending by likely 40% ish).
Don't get me wrong, I agree we spent that money very poorly. But in context it was a meagre war chest to strengthen an entire spine with, especially with the wage budget we had. Hard to point to many managers in the division who were ultimately working with less that Summer. | |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:54 - Sep 23 with 518 views | Chrisd |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 12:21 - Sep 23 by Radlett_blue |
Win percentages are notoriously misleading. If that's your yardstick, Fabio Capello was the best manager England ever had, while Bobby Robson was inferior to Steve McClaren. For England, the yardstick is qualifying for & performing well in big tournament finals. Taylor did well in friendly matches, which England then used to take more seriously. They only scrambled into the 92 Euros from a weak group & England were poor at the finals. England also would have been expected to make the top 2 from a group containing Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, Turkey and San Marino. His reign was characterised by an inability to make decisions, using a staggering 59 players in a fairly short reign. In the x-rated documentary, it was clear that Taylor was close to mental breakdown from the pressure of the job. |
All valid points RB. | |
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| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 22:23 - Sep 23 with 400 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Paul Warne 4 year deal at Derby on 16:27 - Sep 22 by jaykay |
what i want to know is how they can pay rotherham for him. i thought there was a embargo
on them spending money in that way. |
I’d like to know to |  | | |
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