| Qatar world cup/ lgbt 07:45 - Oct 27 with 2517 views | MancBlue86 |
I know this thread has already been done but just didn't want to get lost in the comments.
As a gay guy I was, and still am shocked at the decision to host the usually most inclusive of tournaments in a country that is the complete opposite. I wouldn’t even dream of going. I went to Dubai/abu dhabi as an 18 year old with my family, I had just come out to my friends (not family) and I spent the whole time in fear, obviously I wasn’t getting my grove on if you catch my drift but that’s irrelevant as my pure existence as a gay guy would have been enough to throw me in jail. I’ve now been out for half of my life and I enjoy it massively , I’m getting married to my wonderful fiance in August and theres no way in hell I would ever go to a place where I have to hide who I am ever again, not be able to share a bed with the person I love, not that Im incapable of that, but I should get to choose, so I choose not to go to a place where I have that choice taken away from me. Fifa took that away from me, not Qatar. This world cup will blow up if fifa’s face and I hope it does. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 7:48]
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 11:06 - Oct 27 with 598 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 09:45 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
People like different things from holidays, Dubai a great venue for those wanting guaranteed sun and luxury |
You do know that some of the people who built the air-conditioned hotels to provide "luxury" in that "great venue" for you were housed in shipping containers "in guaranteed sun", don't you?
Don't look, don't ask, don't question. I guess you just shrug and say "It's not my problem..." as you sip your cocktail by the pool.
Yep, "people like different things from holidays". |  | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 12:02 - Oct 27 with 546 views | itfcjoe |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 11:06 - Oct 27 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You do know that some of the people who built the air-conditioned hotels to provide "luxury" in that "great venue" for you were housed in shipping containers "in guaranteed sun", don't you?
Don't look, don't ask, don't question. I guess you just shrug and say "It's not my problem..." as you sip your cocktail by the pool.
Yep, "people like different things from holidays". |
What do we think working conditions are like in other regions? It's not like when going to a Bali, or a Maldives, or a Thailand, or an Egypt, or a Turkey that there aren't people being massively exploited every step of the way
If people want to holiday out of the developed world then they are going to be guilty to a large degree in causing major issues in regions to pander to their tastes |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 12:42 - Oct 27 with 498 views | BlueBadger |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 12:02 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
What do we think working conditions are like in other regions? It's not like when going to a Bali, or a Maldives, or a Thailand, or an Egypt, or a Turkey that there aren't people being massively exploited every step of the way
If people want to holiday out of the developed world then they are going to be guilty to a large degree in causing major issues in regions to pander to their tastes |
Blimey, there's a lot of trains going to 'Butley-Burr' today. |  |
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| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 13:54 - Oct 27 with 437 views | Mookamoo |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 08:26 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
Completely understandable position, what would views have been of going to Russia in 2018 ? Also Brazil in 2022 is very different than Brazil in 2014 with Bolsonero at the helm.
I can't see why anyone wants to go to Qatar for this World Cup full stop, obviously some peoples reasons are much more valid than others like yours compared to others.
I note that the Govt have said that they won't be going to games over there even if England progress in the tournament
Guess one of only hopes is that the WC being there shines a light on things more so they have to become more progressive, even if they are dragged to that position kicking and screaming for the next generation of gay people - but it shouldn't take a World Cup to achieve that |
I think that was what was so disappointing about Cleverly's statement about needing for LGBT fans to 'compromise'. There was a chance to shine a light and it wasn't taken.
I took what he said as meaning, if you go to the World Cup, you have to pretend not to be gay for the sake of international trade. Not good enough. |  | | |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 14:55 - Oct 27 with 382 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Qatar world cup/ lgbt on 13:54 - Oct 27 by Mookamoo |
I think that was what was so disappointing about Cleverly's statement about needing for LGBT fans to 'compromise'. There was a chance to shine a light and it wasn't taken.
I took what he said as meaning, if you go to the World Cup, you have to pretend not to be gay for the sake of international trade. Not good enough. |
It is possible to read his comments as there are laws about conduct in public that are different from ours and you need to be aware of them. It would be stupid to drink alcohol and get drunk out there. I am sure there will still be fans fall foul of this because it is part of football culture. Other public shows of affection (heterosexual or homosexual) that may be normalised in this country may well be against their laws (I am not sure). When asked whether a gay couple could hold hands in public, their prince (or whoever he was) said it would be fine and no one would challenge them for doing so.
None of this affects the fact that there is a lot wrong with Qatari laws and their oppression of people including those from the LGBQT+ community. It was wrong of FIFA to award the World Cup to them for a lot of reasons. The idea that the OP would feel fearful for his own safety simply because of his sexuality were he to attend the World Cup is horrific. I am glad he shared his thoughts. |  |
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