| Is political magazine satire being censored? 12:43 - Jan 6 with 2271 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:54 - Jan 6 with 2204 views | Illinoisblue |
There is no censorship. Spectator freely available to buy wherever magazines are sold and as the guy from Meta points out in the replies, if the Spectator run their ad from the correct admin account it won’t be rejected. |  |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:57 - Jan 6 with 2174 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:54 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
There is no censorship. Spectator freely available to buy wherever magazines are sold and as the guy from Meta points out in the replies, if the Spectator run their ad from the correct admin account it won’t be rejected. |
Thanks. Nothing to see here then. | |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:59 - Jan 6 with 2157 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:57 - Jan 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Thanks. Nothing to see here then. |
It’s a non story that will be spun into an “Orwellian nightmare” by those who wish to see that | |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 13:00 - Jan 6 with 2153 views | jaykay |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:54 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
There is no censorship. Spectator freely available to buy wherever magazines are sold and as the guy from Meta points out in the replies, if the Spectator run their ad from the correct admin account it won’t be rejected. |
so the answer was in the replying tweets then |  |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 13:02 - Jan 6 with 2152 views | DJR |
As someone who believes in free speech and who always found Trump's description of Biden as Sleepy Joe slightly funny, I have grave misgivings about this sort of thing. But that's what happens when you have a private organisation determining what or what not is acceptable.
I realise age discrimination is something to be discouraged, but it seems to me that Biden's age and mental agility (particularly if he stands for a second term) is something that is fair comment.
I should add that I despise all that Trump stands for, but I also have grave misgivings about his ban from Twitter.
I think the problem with social media, such as Twitter or Facebook, is that the genie is out of the bottle, in the sense that there are all sorts of mad theories floating about, and there is really nothing that can be done to stop it.
EDIT: It looks like the story is not as I thought, and Fraser Nelson probably was being a bit mischievous, but my general unease about censorship (including of Trump) remains.
Indeed, Fraser Nelson makes a similar point in a more recent Tweet.
"Facebook is now the UK’s no1 source of news stories (for written word). Its bots edit millions of news feeds daily, giving it more power than Hearst, Beaverbrook or Murdoch ever had.
So how FB bots promote or suppress material has huge implications for our democracy." [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 13:20]
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 13:22 - Jan 6 with 2073 views | Parsley |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:59 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a non story that will be spun into an “Orwellian nightmare” by those who wish to see that |
The classic 'complain about cancel culture to your quarter of a million Twitter followers' trick. |  | | |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 13:42 - Jan 6 with 2022 views | Steve_M |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:59 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a non story that will be spun into an “Orwellian nightmare” by those who wish to see that |
Fraser Nelson certainly has form for doing that. |  |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 14:05 - Jan 6 with 1966 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:54 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
There is no censorship. Spectator freely available to buy wherever magazines are sold and as the guy from Meta points out in the replies, if the Spectator run their ad from the correct admin account it won’t be rejected. |
He then goes off on one about covid conspiracies. Which is very on brand for Fraser |  | | |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 14:05 - Jan 6 with 1964 views | DanTheMan |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 12:59 - Jan 6 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a non story that will be spun into an “Orwellian nightmare” by those who wish to see that |
Fun to see them then try and push a different angle and then getting schooled again.
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 14:53 - Jan 6 with 1875 views | HARRY10 |
Poor righties. Their claims of seeing wokey cokey everywhere comes a cropper yet again.
This is not a question of freedom of speech, but the freedom of private businesses to do what they see fit. Whats best for their financial interests.
If Facebook do not wish to carry an ad then that is their choice, and should be accepted as such .... ]who pays the piper calls the tune'
Sadly the paranoid wokey cokeys see a consiracy to silence them in virtually everything nowadays.
As to the Spectator being satire, it might be seen as a joke elsewhere. But its Hubert Gusset style earnest witterings are intended as serious topical comment - that is if you think Britain still has an empire, steam locomotives should still be in service and Britain should never have come off the gold standard. |  | | |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 15:18 - Jan 6 with 1838 views | DJR |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 14:53 - Jan 6 by HARRY10 |
Poor righties. Their claims of seeing wokey cokey everywhere comes a cropper yet again.
This is not a question of freedom of speech, but the freedom of private businesses to do what they see fit. Whats best for their financial interests.
If Facebook do not wish to carry an ad then that is their choice, and should be accepted as such .... ]who pays the piper calls the tune'
Sadly the paranoid wokey cokeys see a consiracy to silence them in virtually everything nowadays.
As to the Spectator being satire, it might be seen as a joke elsewhere. But its Hubert Gusset style earnest witterings are intended as serious topical comment - that is if you think Britain still has an empire, steam locomotives should still be in service and Britain should never have come off the gold standard. |
I accept the right try to weaponise such things at all opportunities, and there is often nothing in the point, but as no one has responded to my post, I wonder whether other people have misgivings about, say, Twitter banning Trump, however awful his views.
I like to consider myself as a liberal, and freedom of speech lies at the heart of it. But I do sense in recent years a lot of so-called liberals are acting in what I would regard as an illiberal way. Take James O'Brien who strikes me as a particularly illiberal liberal by the way he berates people who don't agree with him, or the Labour Party who are attempting to purge from the political party anybody to the left of Peter Mandelson.
Of course, people will say that Trump is spreading disinformation, but Johnson did that all the time he was in office, and right wing newspapers do it all the time, so why weren't he or they banned from Twitter?
Some will say that Twitter is a private company, and can do what it likes, but to me, it is a little scary just how much power to control things such companies have, a point emphasised by the fact that a change of ownership to Musk appears to have tilted it in a different direction. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 15:31]
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 15:40 - Jan 6 with 1765 views | Meadowlark |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 15:18 - Jan 6 by DJR |
I accept the right try to weaponise such things at all opportunities, and there is often nothing in the point, but as no one has responded to my post, I wonder whether other people have misgivings about, say, Twitter banning Trump, however awful his views.
I like to consider myself as a liberal, and freedom of speech lies at the heart of it. But I do sense in recent years a lot of so-called liberals are acting in what I would regard as an illiberal way. Take James O'Brien who strikes me as a particularly illiberal liberal by the way he berates people who don't agree with him, or the Labour Party who are attempting to purge from the political party anybody to the left of Peter Mandelson.
Of course, people will say that Trump is spreading disinformation, but Johnson did that all the time he was in office, and right wing newspapers do it all the time, so why weren't he or they banned from Twitter?
Some will say that Twitter is a private company, and can do what it likes, but to me, it is a little scary just how much power to control things such companies have, a point emphasised by the fact that a change of ownership to Musk appears to have tilted it in a different direction. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 15:31]
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I tend to agree. Freedom of speech is a given, and my view is that people like O'Brien are necessary in order to put the opposite "extreme" view to that put forward by the BBC, Mail, Express, Spectator etc.
It's all very well being MOR, but if there are commentators from the far right then we also must have the same from the far left - if indeed that is his position?
In fact most of these people - on both sides - are preaching to the converted, but we know that putting out stuff like the Spectator chap and our friend from Glasgow do from time to time causes a few ripples and has an effect. |  | | |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 16:02 - Jan 6 with 1719 views | DanTheMan |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 15:18 - Jan 6 by DJR |
I accept the right try to weaponise such things at all opportunities, and there is often nothing in the point, but as no one has responded to my post, I wonder whether other people have misgivings about, say, Twitter banning Trump, however awful his views.
I like to consider myself as a liberal, and freedom of speech lies at the heart of it. But I do sense in recent years a lot of so-called liberals are acting in what I would regard as an illiberal way. Take James O'Brien who strikes me as a particularly illiberal liberal by the way he berates people who don't agree with him, or the Labour Party who are attempting to purge from the political party anybody to the left of Peter Mandelson.
Of course, people will say that Trump is spreading disinformation, but Johnson did that all the time he was in office, and right wing newspapers do it all the time, so why weren't he or they banned from Twitter?
Some will say that Twitter is a private company, and can do what it likes, but to me, it is a little scary just how much power to control things such companies have, a point emphasised by the fact that a change of ownership to Musk appears to have tilted it in a different direction. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 15:31]
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Trump got banned from Twitter for inciting an insurrection, and he used their platform to do so. It ended in actual deaths.
And also, people having awful views is more than enough to ban people from private platforms. Or for any reason.
The Government restricting free speech vs. companies are two entirely different matters.
Musk can do what he likes and is banning people who disagree with him and then people like the ElonJet account. That's fine. It's not going down well with advertisers though, especially when at the same time he's allowing actual white nationalists back onto the platform. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 16:04]
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 16:06 - Jan 6 with 1704 views | DJR |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 15:40 - Jan 6 by Meadowlark |
I tend to agree. Freedom of speech is a given, and my view is that people like O'Brien are necessary in order to put the opposite "extreme" view to that put forward by the BBC, Mail, Express, Spectator etc.
It's all very well being MOR, but if there are commentators from the far right then we also must have the same from the far left - if indeed that is his position?
In fact most of these people - on both sides - are preaching to the converted, but we know that putting out stuff like the Spectator chap and our friend from Glasgow do from time to time causes a few ripples and has an effect. |
I think the thing is though that O'Brien's is not an extreme view, just a New Labour view. And none of the so-called left-wing presenters on LBC have ever supported anything further to the left than him.
People expressing proper left wing views (and someone like John McDonnell is an example of a decent and articulate advocate) have been silenced with the demise of Jeremy Corbyn.
The odd thing is that a lot of left-wing policies are actually popular, and that it is the so-called liberals in the Labour Party who are at the forefront of the purge of any hint of left-wing thinking, with to my knowledge lefties being kept off all selection panels for seats where the existing candidate is standing down. | | | |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 16:54 - Jan 6 with 1644 views | Mullet |
Fraser Nelson is a bell |  |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 17:34 - Jan 6 with 1584 views | DJR |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 16:02 - Jan 6 by DanTheMan |
Trump got banned from Twitter for inciting an insurrection, and he used their platform to do so. It ended in actual deaths.
And also, people having awful views is more than enough to ban people from private platforms. Or for any reason.
The Government restricting free speech vs. companies are two entirely different matters.
Musk can do what he likes and is banning people who disagree with him and then people like the ElonJet account. That's fine. It's not going down well with advertisers though, especially when at the same time he's allowing actual white nationalists back onto the platform. [Post edited 6 Jan 2023 16:04]
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He was actually banned for two Tweets after the insurrection which Twitter interpreted in a particular way.
Anyway, it's not just me that had concerns about the ban.
https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-calls-trump-twitter-ban-problematic/a-561976
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/problematic-twitter-merkel-france-trump/
It's interesting that I don't recall a similar reaction in this country, but maybe it's because the establishment in this country were hostile to Trump; just consider the BBC coverage of Trump compared to their worship of Obama.
In a similar vein on free speech, is the complete absence of media or other support for Julian Assange for doing what journalists do.
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 17:44 - Jan 6 with 1566 views | DanTheMan |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 17:34 - Jan 6 by DJR |
He was actually banned for two Tweets after the insurrection which Twitter interpreted in a particular way.
Anyway, it's not just me that had concerns about the ban.
https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-calls-trump-twitter-ban-problematic/a-561976
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/problematic-twitter-merkel-france-trump/
It's interesting that I don't recall a similar reaction in this country, but maybe it's because the establishment in this country were hostile to Trump; just consider the BBC coverage of Trump compared to their worship of Obama.
In a similar vein on free speech, is the complete absence of media or other support for Julian Assange for doing what journalists do.
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Apologies, wires crossed on the two tweets they had used. Either way he used their platform to help organise an insurrection. He then glorified the violence that occurred.
It's a private platform with rules. He chose to break them. You should not have access to all communications platforms just because you're a politician. | |
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| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 17:49 - Jan 6 with 1561 views | DJR |
| Is political magazine satire being censored? on 17:44 - Jan 6 by DanTheMan |
Apologies, wires crossed on the two tweets they had used. Either way he used their platform to help organise an insurrection. He then glorified the violence that occurred.
It's a private platform with rules. He chose to break them. You should not have access to all communications platforms just because you're a politician. |
No worries. We'll agree to differ on this. | | | |
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