| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs 21:00 - Apr 2 with 4072 views | noggin |
and JC losing the whip. He's just one of them isn't he? The public gets what the public wants. |  |
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| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 23:23 - Apr 4 with 508 views | Radlett_blue |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 17:48 - Apr 4 by DJR |
You make a good point. It's understandable that people get upset at what MPs and CEOs of large companies earn but, apart from the odd exception, it largely pales into insignificance when compared to what many footballers earn.
Frankly, I find it rather obscene, having grown up at a time when living in Capel St Mary was about the best a First Division Ipswich footballer could aspire to.
But I suppose one just has to put such feelings to one side.
EDIT: I may be misremembering, but doing Bob-a-Job in the 1970s, I'm sure I knocked on the door of Colin Harper in Broke Hall estate. [Post edited 4 Apr 2023 17:58]
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Salaries of footballers & other public figures are set by the market so it's impossible to control them. Those of MPs & other public servants should be controlled in the public interest as the taxpayer funds them. |  |
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| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 23:58 - Apr 4 with 496 views | HARRY10 |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 13:34 - Apr 4 by HARRY10 |
And what were those expenses ?
Staff wages, office rent, running costs, that's what
Found after a couple of clicks on the mouse
https://www.mpsexpenses.info/#!/mp/164
The second hoe was a flat he rented close to Parliament..... in 2004
Despite numerous clicks I can find no 'financial interest in property', but I am sure you can save me any further searching by posting up the link you have |
Come along young rightie
A link to your claim of 'financial interest in property'
I would hate folk to think you are just another dishonest rightie |  | | |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:28 - Apr 5 with 476 views | Churchman |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 23:23 - Apr 4 by Radlett_blue |
Salaries of footballers & other public figures are set by the market so it's impossible to control them. Those of MPs & other public servants should be controlled in the public interest as the taxpayer funds them. |
Yes, public sector pay comes from the taxpayer and should be controlled. It’s not free market set like say an actor, footballer etc.
However, not only do these people do a necessary job, but mostly a cost effective one. For example, I saw somebody from a Consultancy taking minutes in meetings at a cost to the taxpayer of £1800 a day. A Civil Servant, say an Officer grade at about £30k a year could have done that work easily. You do the maths.
The other thing to remember is that public sector people pay tax and spend in the economy too. That’s one of the reasons Austerity was such a self defeating, stupid policy. |  | | |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:38 - Apr 5 with 470 views | DJR |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 23:23 - Apr 4 by Radlett_blue |
Salaries of footballers & other public figures are set by the market so it's impossible to control them. Those of MPs & other public servants should be controlled in the public interest as the taxpayer funds them. |
I did mention the CEOs of big companies as well, who are not funded by the taxpayer, but in the main aren't paid as well as many Premier League footballers.
I suppose my main point is that I don't really like the monetisation of football over these last twenty or thirty years, and much preferred the relatively equality that existed before then, when things like gate receipts were shared, and footballers didn't live in a parallel universe.
But that is clearly shifting the debate on to another issue. [Post edited 5 Apr 2023 7:42]
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| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:03 - Apr 5 with 441 views | Churchman |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 07:38 - Apr 5 by DJR |
I did mention the CEOs of big companies as well, who are not funded by the taxpayer, but in the main aren't paid as well as many Premier League footballers.
I suppose my main point is that I don't really like the monetisation of football over these last twenty or thirty years, and much preferred the relatively equality that existed before then, when things like gate receipts were shared, and footballers didn't live in a parallel universe.
But that is clearly shifting the debate on to another issue. [Post edited 5 Apr 2023 7:42]
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Agree with this. Ending shared gate receipts in 1983 really was a game changer and I believe led the way to the creation of the greed league (Premier League) nine years later. No stopping it now though.
Back to the point, if being an MP and/or minister isn’t a full time job, it should be. They should be paid for the responsibility they hold. It’s not hard to work out a pay scale and if that’s not enough for Lammy, Johnson or anyone else, see you later. Maybe you are in politics for the wrong reasons anyway. Well, we know Johnson was.
Regardless something needs to change to improve the standard of politicians. | | | |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:32 - Apr 5 with 430 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:03 - Apr 5 by Churchman |
Agree with this. Ending shared gate receipts in 1983 really was a game changer and I believe led the way to the creation of the greed league (Premier League) nine years later. No stopping it now though.
Back to the point, if being an MP and/or minister isn’t a full time job, it should be. They should be paid for the responsibility they hold. It’s not hard to work out a pay scale and if that’s not enough for Lammy, Johnson or anyone else, see you later. Maybe you are in politics for the wrong reasons anyway. Well, we know Johnson was.
Regardless something needs to change to improve the standard of politicians. |
As long as they are paying 40-50pc to the state like the rest of us I can live with their wages. A lot of their wages is paid through revenue abroad (at least at PL level). | | | |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:33 - Apr 5 with 431 views | Darth_Koont |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:03 - Apr 5 by Churchman |
Agree with this. Ending shared gate receipts in 1983 really was a game changer and I believe led the way to the creation of the greed league (Premier League) nine years later. No stopping it now though.
Back to the point, if being an MP and/or minister isn’t a full time job, it should be. They should be paid for the responsibility they hold. It’s not hard to work out a pay scale and if that’s not enough for Lammy, Johnson or anyone else, see you later. Maybe you are in politics for the wrong reasons anyway. Well, we know Johnson was.
Regardless something needs to change to improve the standard of politicians. |
Given the declining performance of our economy, there’s not much of a case for soaring exec salaries over the past couple of decades. In fact, I suspect there’s a connection: their pay and perks have gone through the roof as productivity and investment has lagged because we’ve rewarded them for financialising industries rather than sustaining or building them. When the focus is profit and the next quarter, it’s been far too easy to see employees and development investments as pure cost. Socialising those costs and getting the ordinary taxpayer and workers to pay for them has become the perfect answer for them and shareholders.
I’d say the same is true of our politicians who seem to earn well over inflation, with expenses and allowances more than adding to that. All while they’ve collectively ignored the declines in society and economy and take little to no responsibility. Meanwhile the only thing they are world-class at is pumping cheap money into the system so businesses can keep operating the same way. They are the conduit and enabler towards socialising business costs and defending profits.
It’s all @rse about face. As is the talk of paying them more to get more “talent”. They need KPIs and perhaps performance-related pay based on their actual job of representing society’s interests as a whole so we can get people motivated by that to become or remain MPs. [Post edited 5 Apr 2023 8:34]
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| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 13:54 - Apr 5 with 341 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| David Lammy defending extra jobs for MPs on 08:33 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
Given the declining performance of our economy, there’s not much of a case for soaring exec salaries over the past couple of decades. In fact, I suspect there’s a connection: their pay and perks have gone through the roof as productivity and investment has lagged because we’ve rewarded them for financialising industries rather than sustaining or building them. When the focus is profit and the next quarter, it’s been far too easy to see employees and development investments as pure cost. Socialising those costs and getting the ordinary taxpayer and workers to pay for them has become the perfect answer for them and shareholders.
I’d say the same is true of our politicians who seem to earn well over inflation, with expenses and allowances more than adding to that. All while they’ve collectively ignored the declines in society and economy and take little to no responsibility. Meanwhile the only thing they are world-class at is pumping cheap money into the system so businesses can keep operating the same way. They are the conduit and enabler towards socialising business costs and defending profits.
It’s all @rse about face. As is the talk of paying them more to get more “talent”. They need KPIs and perhaps performance-related pay based on their actual job of representing society’s interests as a whole so we can get people motivated by that to become or remain MPs. [Post edited 5 Apr 2023 8:34]
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Accountability beyond the ballot box (which really hasn't held many individuals MPs truly accountable at all). |  |
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