| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? 21:17 - May 11 with 2750 views | unstableblue |
Two players now.
Do they pick up young players released by clubs? Or those who never made an academy in the first place? |  |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:32 - May 11 with 2637 views | ronnyd |
Mazionis was at Spam and Arse as a schoolboy, Uzor-Greehy was at Gills. |  | | |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:34 - May 11 with 2633 views | matt92 |
I asked ChatGPT because I'm too lazy to dig through google and it seems it's both.
Kinetic Academy primarily focuses on developing young players who may not have had the opportunity to join a professional academy in the first place. While they may also consider players who have been released by clubs, their main aim is to provide opportunities for talented players who may have been overlooked by the traditional academy system.
Kinetic Academy has a team of highly qualified coaches who are dedicated to helping young players reach their full potential. They offer a range of training programs and opportunities for players to participate in competitive matches, providing them with the skills and experience they need to succeed in the game. Overall, Kinetic Academy is a fantastic resource for young footballers looking to develop their skills and take their game to the next level. [Post edited 11 May 2023 21:35]
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:48 - May 11 with 2540 views | ronnyd |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:34 - May 11 by matt92 |
I asked ChatGPT because I'm too lazy to dig through google and it seems it's both.
Kinetic Academy primarily focuses on developing young players who may not have had the opportunity to join a professional academy in the first place. While they may also consider players who have been released by clubs, their main aim is to provide opportunities for talented players who may have been overlooked by the traditional academy system.
Kinetic Academy has a team of highly qualified coaches who are dedicated to helping young players reach their full potential. They offer a range of training programs and opportunities for players to participate in competitive matches, providing them with the skills and experience they need to succeed in the game. Overall, Kinetic Academy is a fantastic resource for young footballers looking to develop their skills and take their game to the next level. [Post edited 11 May 2023 21:35]
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Your last paragraph reads like an advertisement for them. | | | |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 22:42 - May 11 with 2372 views | Plums |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:34 - May 11 by matt92 |
I asked ChatGPT because I'm too lazy to dig through google and it seems it's both.
Kinetic Academy primarily focuses on developing young players who may not have had the opportunity to join a professional academy in the first place. While they may also consider players who have been released by clubs, their main aim is to provide opportunities for talented players who may have been overlooked by the traditional academy system.
Kinetic Academy has a team of highly qualified coaches who are dedicated to helping young players reach their full potential. They offer a range of training programs and opportunities for players to participate in competitive matches, providing them with the skills and experience they need to succeed in the game. Overall, Kinetic Academy is a fantastic resource for young footballers looking to develop their skills and take their game to the next level. [Post edited 11 May 2023 21:35]
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There are quite a few of these outfits around; quite often set up by ex-pros. Fox was featured on the excellent Sky One Shot: The Football Factory which I'm currently binge watching.
12,000 kids in the academy system, the numbers and shattered dreams are sobering. |  |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 22:49 - May 11 with 2357 views | PhilTWTD |
More than that, we signed Myles Kenlock from them some years back and Henry Curtis earlier this season. Have a feeling there were one or two others a few years ago as well. Think they've all been with clubs at one time or another, Kenlock with Palace, for example.
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 02:19 - May 12 with 2137 views | DeepSouthBlue |
Long time reader of TWTD - saw this thread and feel I am quite well placed to provide a good answer for you!
Grew up locally to the original Kinetic Academy site in Croydon, and consequently have a few friends who have played for them. The vast majority (might be all?) of the boys involved with Kinetic do it as a joint sixth form / college route, where they play football alongside education - quite similar to how professional academies are run. Daily training, conditioning and matches whilst completing A-Levels etc. - they attend a partner school which provides the education side. Have seen they have since expanded from the original site to further spread across London, but still predominately based in the South.
They are typically associated with a local non-league side too, who they represent at U18 level - I am aware of them doing this for Merstham and Croydon in the past, but unsure on the current situation. This is in addition to the matches they play representing Kinetic.
The standard is very high, as evidenced by the number of players they have had signed to professional clubs in the last 8/9 years; I think it is something in the 65+ region (may be wrong!). Some well known names in there such as Josh Maja and Joe Aribo. I was aware of a boy in the year below me who moved on to Man City's books after being spotted at Kinetic. Most end up at a slightly lower level tho!
I would say they are on a par, maybe very slightly below, the level of some of the weaker professional academy sides (League 1/2 outfits). Fairly common for them to play trial matches against these sides, and it is usually quite close. They are consistently one of the best youth outfits in London outside the pro sides. FA Youth Cup runs in the past would also indicate this, and they often have some of the best young players in the South London region that aren't currently picked up. A lot will have played for a pro club at some point, but there is a serious amount of talent in the area that goes unnoticed and may not have been with anyone previously.
It has been documented in the media several times that the area Kinetic operates around has been a footballing hotbed for talent the last few years. Good example of this in League One is Kwame Poku - was aware of him through our league and mutual friends, and have seen him progress up to starting against us for Peterborough! Unsure if he was attached to a club when he was younger, but was still involved at U18 level locally only a couple years ago. Everyone I have known and played with from Kinetic have been good - minimum high semi professional level, ready to play step 3 / 4 at the age of 18. There are plenty of boys who haven't been signed from the area that I genuinely believe would be good enough to play pro - there are some players who I know that have made it who I don't believe to be as good as some who haven't. Can be a range of things that sees them miss out, but it's common knowledge that chances are low. The key thing is kicking on once you get a pro contract into becoming a regular player at professional level (stating the obvious I know!).
Will be keeping an eye out on the two who have just signed to see how they get on. They are a little younger than me so don't know them personally, but here's hoping for their success with us! Sorry for the lengthy reply, hope it provided some clarity on what Kinetic do. | | | |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 06:36 - May 12 with 1917 views | textbackup |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 22:49 - May 11 by PhilTWTD |
More than that, we signed Myles Kenlock from them some years back and Henry Curtis earlier this season. Have a feeling there were one or two others a few years ago as well. Think they've all been with clubs at one time or another, Kenlock with Palace, for example.
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They can’t be that great then, if kenlock got through |  |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 09:57 - May 12 with 1644 views | matt92 |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 21:48 - May 11 by ronnyd |
Your last paragraph reads like an advertisement for them. |
Blame ChatGPT, it wrote it! | | | |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 10:03 - May 12 with 1617 views | PhilTWTD |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 02:19 - May 12 by DeepSouthBlue |
Long time reader of TWTD - saw this thread and feel I am quite well placed to provide a good answer for you!
Grew up locally to the original Kinetic Academy site in Croydon, and consequently have a few friends who have played for them. The vast majority (might be all?) of the boys involved with Kinetic do it as a joint sixth form / college route, where they play football alongside education - quite similar to how professional academies are run. Daily training, conditioning and matches whilst completing A-Levels etc. - they attend a partner school which provides the education side. Have seen they have since expanded from the original site to further spread across London, but still predominately based in the South.
They are typically associated with a local non-league side too, who they represent at U18 level - I am aware of them doing this for Merstham and Croydon in the past, but unsure on the current situation. This is in addition to the matches they play representing Kinetic.
The standard is very high, as evidenced by the number of players they have had signed to professional clubs in the last 8/9 years; I think it is something in the 65+ region (may be wrong!). Some well known names in there such as Josh Maja and Joe Aribo. I was aware of a boy in the year below me who moved on to Man City's books after being spotted at Kinetic. Most end up at a slightly lower level tho!
I would say they are on a par, maybe very slightly below, the level of some of the weaker professional academy sides (League 1/2 outfits). Fairly common for them to play trial matches against these sides, and it is usually quite close. They are consistently one of the best youth outfits in London outside the pro sides. FA Youth Cup runs in the past would also indicate this, and they often have some of the best young players in the South London region that aren't currently picked up. A lot will have played for a pro club at some point, but there is a serious amount of talent in the area that goes unnoticed and may not have been with anyone previously.
It has been documented in the media several times that the area Kinetic operates around has been a footballing hotbed for talent the last few years. Good example of this in League One is Kwame Poku - was aware of him through our league and mutual friends, and have seen him progress up to starting against us for Peterborough! Unsure if he was attached to a club when he was younger, but was still involved at U18 level locally only a couple years ago. Everyone I have known and played with from Kinetic have been good - minimum high semi professional level, ready to play step 3 / 4 at the age of 18. There are plenty of boys who haven't been signed from the area that I genuinely believe would be good enough to play pro - there are some players who I know that have made it who I don't believe to be as good as some who haven't. Can be a range of things that sees them miss out, but it's common knowledge that chances are low. The key thing is kicking on once you get a pro contract into becoming a regular player at professional level (stating the obvious I know!).
Will be keeping an eye out on the two who have just signed to see how they get on. They are a little younger than me so don't know them personally, but here's hoping for their success with us! Sorry for the lengthy reply, hope it provided some clarity on what Kinetic do. |
Cheers, interesting to learn a bit more about the set-up, which is obviously doing very well. I first heard about them from Steve McGavin when he was head of academy recruitment here and he signed Myles Kenlock. | | | |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 10:06 - May 12 with 1602 views | PhilTWTD |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 06:36 - May 12 by textbackup |
They can’t be that great then, if kenlock got through |
Joking aside and regardless of where he's playing now, if a player goes on to make 100 appearances for a club, largely in the Championship, from a youth academy perspective - and a club academy recruitment perspective - that's a success. | | | |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 10:34 - May 12 with 1495 views | monty_radio |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 02:19 - May 12 by DeepSouthBlue |
Long time reader of TWTD - saw this thread and feel I am quite well placed to provide a good answer for you!
Grew up locally to the original Kinetic Academy site in Croydon, and consequently have a few friends who have played for them. The vast majority (might be all?) of the boys involved with Kinetic do it as a joint sixth form / college route, where they play football alongside education - quite similar to how professional academies are run. Daily training, conditioning and matches whilst completing A-Levels etc. - they attend a partner school which provides the education side. Have seen they have since expanded from the original site to further spread across London, but still predominately based in the South.
They are typically associated with a local non-league side too, who they represent at U18 level - I am aware of them doing this for Merstham and Croydon in the past, but unsure on the current situation. This is in addition to the matches they play representing Kinetic.
The standard is very high, as evidenced by the number of players they have had signed to professional clubs in the last 8/9 years; I think it is something in the 65+ region (may be wrong!). Some well known names in there such as Josh Maja and Joe Aribo. I was aware of a boy in the year below me who moved on to Man City's books after being spotted at Kinetic. Most end up at a slightly lower level tho!
I would say they are on a par, maybe very slightly below, the level of some of the weaker professional academy sides (League 1/2 outfits). Fairly common for them to play trial matches against these sides, and it is usually quite close. They are consistently one of the best youth outfits in London outside the pro sides. FA Youth Cup runs in the past would also indicate this, and they often have some of the best young players in the South London region that aren't currently picked up. A lot will have played for a pro club at some point, but there is a serious amount of talent in the area that goes unnoticed and may not have been with anyone previously.
It has been documented in the media several times that the area Kinetic operates around has been a footballing hotbed for talent the last few years. Good example of this in League One is Kwame Poku - was aware of him through our league and mutual friends, and have seen him progress up to starting against us for Peterborough! Unsure if he was attached to a club when he was younger, but was still involved at U18 level locally only a couple years ago. Everyone I have known and played with from Kinetic have been good - minimum high semi professional level, ready to play step 3 / 4 at the age of 18. There are plenty of boys who haven't been signed from the area that I genuinely believe would be good enough to play pro - there are some players who I know that have made it who I don't believe to be as good as some who haven't. Can be a range of things that sees them miss out, but it's common knowledge that chances are low. The key thing is kicking on once you get a pro contract into becoming a regular player at professional level (stating the obvious I know!).
Will be keeping an eye out on the two who have just signed to see how they get on. They are a little younger than me so don't know them personally, but here's hoping for their success with us! Sorry for the lengthy reply, hope it provided some clarity on what Kinetic do. |
Deepsouth - Do you know how they finance such as a big scheme? Presumably more than one source of income? | |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 11:28 - May 12 with 1429 views | textbackup |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 10:06 - May 12 by PhilTWTD |
Joking aside and regardless of where he's playing now, if a player goes on to make 100 appearances for a club, largely in the Championship, from a youth academy perspective - and a club academy recruitment perspective - that's a success. |
Yeah I know I was kidding, kenlock wasn’t always that bad tbh, I’m 100% sure any player we’d had in that time would have improved under some quality (KM) coaching | |
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 12:35 - May 12 with 1317 views | DeepSouthBlue |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 10:34 - May 12 by monty_radio |
Deepsouth - Do you know how they finance such as a big scheme? Presumably more than one source of income? |
That's a great question - in all honesty, I am not entirely sure as it's not something we would have talked about when we were younger. It is set up as a charity, so they rely on donations and fundraising for some of the financing. I would assume there must be some other steams of income having seen how much they've expanded. Many of the players at Kinetic are not in a position to be able to contribute financially due to their backgrounds. Pretty sure it isn't a money making scheme like you see from some of the football academies that spring up.
From what I've seen, it is very much a force for the good in the local community; certain players involved would have likely been sucked in to a completely different life and away from education at that age if not playing for Kinetic. Friend of mine ended up setting a PT business at a gym he co-owns, whilst providing free sessions for the local community to help better mental health - all by the age of 23! Think it can be viewed as a platform that provides an opportunity for those participating to put themselves in the shop window for the pro clubs, and, if they don't manage this, to ensure they are pushed in the right direction with the right skills to succeed in a life outside of football. [Post edited 12 May 2023 12:38]
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| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 13:09 - May 12 with 1228 views | Plums |
| Have we talked about Kinetic Academy yet? on 12:35 - May 12 by DeepSouthBlue |
That's a great question - in all honesty, I am not entirely sure as it's not something we would have talked about when we were younger. It is set up as a charity, so they rely on donations and fundraising for some of the financing. I would assume there must be some other steams of income having seen how much they've expanded. Many of the players at Kinetic are not in a position to be able to contribute financially due to their backgrounds. Pretty sure it isn't a money making scheme like you see from some of the football academies that spring up.
From what I've seen, it is very much a force for the good in the local community; certain players involved would have likely been sucked in to a completely different life and away from education at that age if not playing for Kinetic. Friend of mine ended up setting a PT business at a gym he co-owns, whilst providing free sessions for the local community to help better mental health - all by the age of 23! Think it can be viewed as a platform that provides an opportunity for those participating to put themselves in the shop window for the pro clubs, and, if they don't manage this, to ensure they are pushed in the right direction with the right skills to succeed in a life outside of football. [Post edited 12 May 2023 12:38]
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I think a lot of the hybrid education/ sport academies are accessing the funding that's available for post-16 education. i.e. the parcel of cash that is given to a school or college when a student enrols.
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