| 21,000 season ticket sales. 09:27 - May 30 with 6523 views | EssexBloo |
Where does that rank with the rest of the championship? Behind the relegated clubs and Boro/Sunderland?
Does this have any indication on budgets for the season or, with TV Money, owner investment and parachute fees is it a bit irrelevant? |  | | |  |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 10:14 - May 31 with 773 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Season tickets are sold at a discount so high sales will reduce income.
Assuming more away fans - that further reduces casual supporters. Time was when season ticket holders attended every game. Even a casual glance over recent years showed that was far from the case - though there is glory-seeking momentum at the moment.
It’s a bit like when Town rushed headlong into all seater and then unexpectedly got promoted under Lyall - there was a huge uptake in season tickets which effectively excluded 10,000 plus ‘casual supporters’ who gradually lost interest over time.
The real interest of the owners isn’t really bums on seats - it’s how you can maximise income from them - and extracting money from supporters who don’t go - be that streaming or a ‘must-have’ overpriced and utterly unecessary shirt or two. I suspect more ‘investment’ will go on this as it seems to work rather well at the moment. Though it could all go toxic if there’s a 0-0 draw in Bristol | |
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| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 11:10 - May 31 with 694 views | Churchman |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 10:14 - May 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Season tickets are sold at a discount so high sales will reduce income.
Assuming more away fans - that further reduces casual supporters. Time was when season ticket holders attended every game. Even a casual glance over recent years showed that was far from the case - though there is glory-seeking momentum at the moment.
It’s a bit like when Town rushed headlong into all seater and then unexpectedly got promoted under Lyall - there was a huge uptake in season tickets which effectively excluded 10,000 plus ‘casual supporters’ who gradually lost interest over time.
The real interest of the owners isn’t really bums on seats - it’s how you can maximise income from them - and extracting money from supporters who don’t go - be that streaming or a ‘must-have’ overpriced and utterly unecessary shirt or two. I suspect more ‘investment’ will go on this as it seems to work rather well at the moment. Though it could all go toxic if there’s a 0-0 draw in Bristol |
You are surpassing yourself today, but not in posting more misery. You post nothing else.
If you’d like to take a look at attendances for 1992/93 and the season before I think you will find that we sold out or came close to selling out on just three or four occasions in 92/93 and twice in 91/92 - Liverpool in the cup and the last day of the season.
The casual supporter was not excluded for many games. The first PL game against Villa drew a crowd of under 17k - a good crowd given a year before 9k was the norm.
Anyone who has ever run a football club professionally will look to maximise income. What do you expect? Even in the amateur days all the way back to 1878, people were charged to view. Why is that I wonder? [Post edited 31 May 2023 11:19]
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| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 12:12 - May 31 with 652 views | Vegtablue |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 09:30 - May 31 by jayessess |
Not sure that's how I'd interpret the rules as written there? They're clumsily written - "the league" is used interchangeably to mean all three EFL leagues, then just the Championship, then just League One/League Two - so there's ambiguity. But there's no explicit reference to accounts submitted under the League One rules being subjected to the same rules as the Championship retrospectively. |
"The League" is not clumsily interchangeable with its divisions at any point, perhaps this is causing some confusion? The League strictly refers to the EFL (with its 72 teams and 3 divisions).
It is also explicit that every Championship club must provide their accounts for the T-1 and T-2 seasons by 1st March, so failure to do this in 2024 will see us non-compliant. The absence of exemptions or caveats prevents ambiguity. Provisions are then made for when Championship clubs have their PL seasons assessed through Championship FFP criteria. I remember this being the original stumbling block in our messages, that clubs may be assessed using Championship FFP rules in non-Championship seasons, and The League raises the limits here to ensure every club is bound by the same reference periods.
Why The League doesn't make dispensation for losses above £13 million in Leagues One and Two is simply because FFP is more restrictive down here. I will paste the first few sections (there are later provisions for relegated clubs adjusting to their first season under these greater restrictions).
"1 .1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1 .2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1 .3) .
1 .2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1 .3 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1 .4 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period ."
The EFL initially capped overall player salary remuneration in League One at £2.5m and League Two at £1.5m, but it withdrew these after losing an arbitration case. SCMP is not operating in Ls 1+2 to enable clubs in the bottom two divisions to post higher losses than The League's top division, it is to reduce those losses further. Hence why they afford Championship clubs their adjustment period and hence why there isn't a separate figure for loss limits in the other divisions, only the "Premier League" and "The League" (its 3 divisions). | | | |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 19:06 - May 31 with 561 views | Nomore4 |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 12:12 - May 31 by Vegtablue |
"The League" is not clumsily interchangeable with its divisions at any point, perhaps this is causing some confusion? The League strictly refers to the EFL (with its 72 teams and 3 divisions).
It is also explicit that every Championship club must provide their accounts for the T-1 and T-2 seasons by 1st March, so failure to do this in 2024 will see us non-compliant. The absence of exemptions or caveats prevents ambiguity. Provisions are then made for when Championship clubs have their PL seasons assessed through Championship FFP criteria. I remember this being the original stumbling block in our messages, that clubs may be assessed using Championship FFP rules in non-Championship seasons, and The League raises the limits here to ensure every club is bound by the same reference periods.
Why The League doesn't make dispensation for losses above £13 million in Leagues One and Two is simply because FFP is more restrictive down here. I will paste the first few sections (there are later provisions for relegated clubs adjusting to their first season under these greater restrictions).
"1 .1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1 .2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1 .3) .
1 .2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1 .3 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1 .4 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period ."
The EFL initially capped overall player salary remuneration in League One at £2.5m and League Two at £1.5m, but it withdrew these after losing an arbitration case. SCMP is not operating in Ls 1+2 to enable clubs in the bottom two divisions to post higher losses than The League's top division, it is to reduce those losses further. Hence why they afford Championship clubs their adjustment period and hence why there isn't a separate figure for loss limits in the other divisions, only the "Premier League" and "The League" (its 3 divisions). |
I think it’s safe to say……going forward. Anyone with a season card, who can’t make a game.
Won’t have any problems selling that game on. With many takers I predict. | | | |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 20:10 - May 31 with 539 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 21,000 season ticket sales. on 10:14 - May 31 by ElephantintheRoom |
Season tickets are sold at a discount so high sales will reduce income.
Assuming more away fans - that further reduces casual supporters. Time was when season ticket holders attended every game. Even a casual glance over recent years showed that was far from the case - though there is glory-seeking momentum at the moment.
It’s a bit like when Town rushed headlong into all seater and then unexpectedly got promoted under Lyall - there was a huge uptake in season tickets which effectively excluded 10,000 plus ‘casual supporters’ who gradually lost interest over time.
The real interest of the owners isn’t really bums on seats - it’s how you can maximise income from them - and extracting money from supporters who don’t go - be that streaming or a ‘must-have’ overpriced and utterly unecessary shirt or two. I suspect more ‘investment’ will go on this as it seems to work rather well at the moment. Though it could all go toxic if there’s a 0-0 draw in Bristol |
For someone who knows so much, you know very little.
As one of the 10,000 or so casual supporters who were never excluded from watching Town (I can count only a few matches I would have attended but couldn't get a ticket for), we must have had a phenomenal casual following in 1991 when we rarely got even close to selling the ground capacity. It is also interesting that you are so confident that season ticket holders used to attend every match but no longer do. I must have imagined the ones I knew from that era who didn't. |  |
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