| His family call him Al on 08:56 - Jun 20 with 1648 views | Guthrum |
Even if one were the most fanatical Brexiteer, it should not necessitate supporting that bloke. Even if his false promises were the only reason you supported that process, that is no reason to continue backing the man given everything else he's done, before and since. It is ok to be pro-Brexit and dislike Johnson.
After all, his messing about was part of the reason the loose ends were not tied up properly before time ran out. He didn't even achieve No Deal, if that was your desire. Just a half-arsed, inadequate fudge which left Northern Ireland part-separated from the UK, stirring up trouble there. The brokenness of Brexit is almost entirely Johnson's fault.
Brexit is no reason to love Johnson at all costs.
Perhaps being a hedge-fund manager with deregulation mania is, but then plenty of others offer that kind of ideology without the lies and the ignorant behaviour. |  |
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| His family call him Al on 09:15 - Jun 20 with 1612 views | JohnTy |
| His family call him Al on 08:56 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
Even if one were the most fanatical Brexiteer, it should not necessitate supporting that bloke. Even if his false promises were the only reason you supported that process, that is no reason to continue backing the man given everything else he's done, before and since. It is ok to be pro-Brexit and dislike Johnson.
After all, his messing about was part of the reason the loose ends were not tied up properly before time ran out. He didn't even achieve No Deal, if that was your desire. Just a half-arsed, inadequate fudge which left Northern Ireland part-separated from the UK, stirring up trouble there. The brokenness of Brexit is almost entirely Johnson's fault.
Brexit is no reason to love Johnson at all costs.
Perhaps being a hedge-fund manager with deregulation mania is, but then plenty of others offer that kind of ideology without the lies and the ignorant behaviour. |
Johnson never believed in Brexit. It was a career move which backfired. He meant to lose the referendum but ultimately to be elected leader by a disgruntled Tory membership.
Many/most Tory MP's knew what he was like, but they enabled his
gaslighting, as did much of the mainstream media. It has exposed a huge problem with how this country is run. I see no sign that it will be sorted out. |  | | |
| His family call him Al on 09:23 - Jun 20 with 1581 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Just incredible when it's all laid out like that.
In a way you have to admire the fact that he managed to get to such high offices as Mayor of London and Prime Minister due to unmitigated bullsh!tting. Astonishing, really. |  |
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| His family call him Al on 09:24 - Jun 20 with 1574 views | Guthrum |
| His family call him Al on 09:15 - Jun 20 by JohnTy |
Johnson never believed in Brexit. It was a career move which backfired. He meant to lose the referendum but ultimately to be elected leader by a disgruntled Tory membership.
Many/most Tory MP's knew what he was like, but they enabled his
gaslighting, as did much of the mainstream media. It has exposed a huge problem with how this country is run. I see no sign that it will be sorted out. |
But at least it has been blown more into public view. May change people's voting habits. | |
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| His family call him Al on 09:28 - Jun 20 with 1564 views | Guthrum |
| His family call him Al on 09:23 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just incredible when it's all laid out like that.
In a way you have to admire the fact that he managed to get to such high offices as Mayor of London and Prime Minister due to unmitigated bullsh!tting. Astonishing, really. |
Tho also not surprising. He promised people what they wanted, be that disgruntled voters or influence-hungry donors. He didn't deliver most of it, but had already got where he wanted by the time people found that out. | |
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| His family call him Al on 09:32 - Jun 20 with 1554 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| His family call him Al on 09:28 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
Tho also not surprising. He promised people what they wanted, be that disgruntled voters or influence-hungry donors. He didn't deliver most of it, but had already got where he wanted by the time people found that out. |
It's a little bit surprising given no-one else in history has got away with so much. | |
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| His family call him Al on 09:45 - Jun 20 with 1494 views | Guthrum |
| His family call him Al on 09:32 - Jun 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a little bit surprising given no-one else in history has got away with so much. |
That's not strictly true. Recent UK political history, perhaps. But one has only to look across the Atlantic for a contemporary example.
Persnalities who came to prominence during the crises of the middle- and late Roman Empire also sprang to my mind, tho their fates were more grim than Johnson's.
Part of the problem is Winston Churchill. There's this idea that he suddeenly appeared due to his own effortless brilliance in 1940, forgetting the four decades of hard work and governmental experience which led up to that, not to mention his father having been a senior politician, too. Also ignores the problems he had in 1941-45 (was nearly pushed out in '42) and how ill he was by the time he returned to power in 1951-55. Johsnon thought he could emulate the myth without any of the real-life work. | |
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| His family call him Al on 09:54 - Jun 20 with 1472 views | JohnTy |
| His family call him Al on 09:45 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
That's not strictly true. Recent UK political history, perhaps. But one has only to look across the Atlantic for a contemporary example.
Persnalities who came to prominence during the crises of the middle- and late Roman Empire also sprang to my mind, tho their fates were more grim than Johnson's.
Part of the problem is Winston Churchill. There's this idea that he suddeenly appeared due to his own effortless brilliance in 1940, forgetting the four decades of hard work and governmental experience which led up to that, not to mention his father having been a senior politician, too. Also ignores the problems he had in 1941-45 (was nearly pushed out in '42) and how ill he was by the time he returned to power in 1951-55. Johsnon thought he could emulate the myth without any of the real-life work. |
Johnson is often compared to Berlusconi as well as Trump of course.
Both Trump and Berlusconi were/are extremely wealthy, which Johnson was not. Berlusconi also had the advantage of owning a chunk of the media. Trump and Johnson benefited greatly from support from a right wing press. This remains one of the biggest problems in the UK - a right wing press that dominates the political conversation and gave us Brexit.
Johnson's biggest and most outspoken critic of course was his former boss at the Telegraph, Max Hastings, whose warnings were made well before Johnson became P.M., but were ignored by most of the media. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 9:54]
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| His family call him Al on 10:05 - Jun 20 with 1440 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| His family call him Al on 09:45 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
That's not strictly true. Recent UK political history, perhaps. But one has only to look across the Atlantic for a contemporary example.
Persnalities who came to prominence during the crises of the middle- and late Roman Empire also sprang to my mind, tho their fates were more grim than Johnson's.
Part of the problem is Winston Churchill. There's this idea that he suddeenly appeared due to his own effortless brilliance in 1940, forgetting the four decades of hard work and governmental experience which led up to that, not to mention his father having been a senior politician, too. Also ignores the problems he had in 1941-45 (was nearly pushed out in '42) and how ill he was by the time he returned to power in 1951-55. Johsnon thought he could emulate the myth without any of the real-life work. |
I was thinking more British history, but yeah, fair points. | |
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| His family call him Al on 10:50 - Jun 20 with 1388 views | Swansea_Blue |
| His family call him Al on 08:56 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
Even if one were the most fanatical Brexiteer, it should not necessitate supporting that bloke. Even if his false promises were the only reason you supported that process, that is no reason to continue backing the man given everything else he's done, before and since. It is ok to be pro-Brexit and dislike Johnson.
After all, his messing about was part of the reason the loose ends were not tied up properly before time ran out. He didn't even achieve No Deal, if that was your desire. Just a half-arsed, inadequate fudge which left Northern Ireland part-separated from the UK, stirring up trouble there. The brokenness of Brexit is almost entirely Johnson's fault.
Brexit is no reason to love Johnson at all costs.
Perhaps being a hedge-fund manager with deregulation mania is, but then plenty of others offer that kind of ideology without the lies and the ignorant behaviour. |
Agreed and logical. But those who are fully invested in his 'thing' (whatever that is - aura, fame through association, promises of kickbacks, whatever hooks them) aren't logical or sensible. They go full cult for some reason.
Maybe it's the promises of a perfect Brexit that still hook some, even though as you say it falls short for leavers and remainers alike. I don't understand it. |  |
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| His family call him Al on 11:57 - Jun 20 with 1315 views | BlueBadger |
Worth pointing out at this stage that the current Prime Minister and a majority of the cabinet have spent the majority of the past 4 years defending and covering for the fat bigoted crooked liar and plummeting polling was what prompted them to defenestrate him, not anything resembling actual principles.
Never vote Tory, kids. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 12:05]
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| His family call him Al on 12:08 - Jun 20 with 1281 views | itfc_bucks |
"Thrashing away on top of her like a stranded beluga" is an image I did not need.
But the rest seems pretty (depressingly) accurate... |  | | |
| His family call him Al on 20:57 - Jun 21 with 1043 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
"An investigation found at least £1.6 billion had been handed to companies directly connected to the Tory Party. Transparency International found 1/5 of all govt contracts related to the pandemic "raised a red flag" for corruption."
And we supposedly can't afford to prevent public sector strikes by agreeing to or funding the review bodies' recommended pay rises. |  |
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