| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:18 - Jul 2 with 672 views | HARRY10 |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:22 - Jul 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
As far as I am concerned, as I live in a safe Tory seat, my vote has never, ever counted towards the formation of the Govt or any determination of its policies because due to my political beliefs, I have never voted Tory - how is that democratic, Harry? Do I need to move to a constituency where my favoured political candidate is likely to win to have my views taken into account? |
What a ridiculous post.
If you moved to a 'safe seat' of the party you favour, how would you answer those in that constituency who lost and so do not get their views represented.
If the politician of your choice gets elected but does not form the government, then how are your views represented ?
Despite the numerous bleats, I have yet to read how something so obviously less democratic would deliver 'better' decision making. How indeed could PR have stopped the Tories since 2019, other than by collapsing the government ?
I don't think you quite grasp that decisions in Parliament are binary, not, as I suspect you imagine, a consensus of all MPs. "We'll bring back hanging, but only on a Tuesday, using organic hemp, but not until he/or she (they) are dead, only slightly bruised.
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Now why not explain how a system where you do not get to vote for an MP, and the government is not chosen by you can represent any voter in constituencies where they lost. |  | |  |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:30 - Jul 2 with 656 views | DJR |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:22 - Jul 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
As far as I am concerned, as I live in a safe Tory seat, my vote has never, ever counted towards the formation of the Govt or any determination of its policies because due to my political beliefs, I have never voted Tory - how is that democratic, Harry? Do I need to move to a constituency where my favoured political candidate is likely to win to have my views taken into account? |
I'm in the same position as you, and since living there the only national elections that gave me some reward were the Euro elections, where there was PR, and so Labour always ended up with one seat. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:16 - Jul 2 with 640 views | Herbivore |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:18 - Jul 2 by HARRY10 |
What a ridiculous post.
If you moved to a 'safe seat' of the party you favour, how would you answer those in that constituency who lost and so do not get their views represented.
If the politician of your choice gets elected but does not form the government, then how are your views represented ?
Despite the numerous bleats, I have yet to read how something so obviously less democratic would deliver 'better' decision making. How indeed could PR have stopped the Tories since 2019, other than by collapsing the government ?
I don't think you quite grasp that decisions in Parliament are binary, not, as I suspect you imagine, a consensus of all MPs. "We'll bring back hanging, but only on a Tuesday, using organic hemp, but not until he/or she (they) are dead, only slightly bruised.
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Now why not explain how a system where you do not get to vote for an MP, and the government is not chosen by you can represent any voter in constituencies where they lost. |
Sorry, how is FPTP where half the votes basically don't count more democratic than PR where every vote counts? |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 06:57 - Jul 3 with 571 views | WeWereZombies |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:18 - Jul 2 by HARRY10 |
What a ridiculous post.
If you moved to a 'safe seat' of the party you favour, how would you answer those in that constituency who lost and so do not get their views represented.
If the politician of your choice gets elected but does not form the government, then how are your views represented ?
Despite the numerous bleats, I have yet to read how something so obviously less democratic would deliver 'better' decision making. How indeed could PR have stopped the Tories since 2019, other than by collapsing the government ?
I don't think you quite grasp that decisions in Parliament are binary, not, as I suspect you imagine, a consensus of all MPs. "We'll bring back hanging, but only on a Tuesday, using organic hemp, but not until he/or she (they) are dead, only slightly bruised.
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Now why not explain how a system where you do not get to vote for an MP, and the government is not chosen by you can represent any voter in constituencies where they lost. |
For your information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
Direct democracy - 'Direct democracy is a political system where the citizens participate in the decision-making personally, contrary to relying on intermediaries or representatives.', still exists in a couple of Swiss cantons to this day.
Representative democracy - 'Representative democracy involves the election of government officials by the people being represented.' This appears to be what you are talking about to the exclusion of all other models, but other models are available, you don't have to keep buying the Peugeot 205...
'Presidential Democracy is a system where the public elects the president through an election. The president serves as both the head of state and head of government controlling most of the executive powers.'
'Some modern democracies that are predominantly representative in nature also heavily rely upon forms of political action that are directly democratic. These democracies, which combine elements of representative democracy and direct democracy, are termed hybrid democracies'
I could go on but I'm sort of bored with this thread already. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:36 - Jul 3 with 537 views | Pinewoodblue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:16 - Jul 2 by Herbivore |
Sorry, how is FPTP where half the votes basically don't count more democratic than PR where every vote counts? |
Harry expects Labour to win the next election, at least FPTP stops the minor parties getting in the mix.
Personally I prefer a system where you vote for the individual. The system used for European elections seems to have something for everyone. Larger constituencies electing more than one member.
One other disadvantage with true proportional representation , if you are not living in England , is it would reduce the number of MPs in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Currently there are more voters per constituency in England than in those in the other nations. 72,000 per constituency in England and less than 60,000 in Wales. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:43 - Jul 3 with 528 views | DanTheMan |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:36 - Jul 3 by Pinewoodblue |
Harry expects Labour to win the next election, at least FPTP stops the minor parties getting in the mix.
Personally I prefer a system where you vote for the individual. The system used for European elections seems to have something for everyone. Larger constituencies electing more than one member.
One other disadvantage with true proportional representation , if you are not living in England , is it would reduce the number of MPs in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Currently there are more voters per constituency in England than in those in the other nations. 72,000 per constituency in England and less than 60,000 in Wales. |
That seems like a disadvantage of the current system. A vote in Wales is worth more than a vote in England. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:20 - Jul 3 with 502 views | DJR |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:43 - Jul 3 by DanTheMan |
That seems like a disadvantage of the current system. A vote in Wales is worth more than a vote in England. |
It's going to be equalised at the next election, with the result that Wales will lose a fifth of its seats. | | | |
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