| Main concern for the season. 21:59 - Aug 4 with 4579 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Our back line may get found out.
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| Fair points Chickers old duck on 11:43 - Aug 5 with 1217 views | chicoazul |
| Fair points Chickers old duck on 11:41 - Aug 5 by Dyland |
You are still wrong of course. I mean, you're even more hopeless with footy anaytics than I am. Well, probably about the same. |
I’m just happy to be back where we should be babes. Long as we stay up and have a good old crack the next couple seasons then you won’t hear me moan. Well, you will of course, but YKWIM. |  |
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| Main concern for the season. on 11:47 - Aug 5 with 1222 views | NthQldITFC |
| Main concern for the season. on 11:18 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Main concerns;
no Walton
lack of quality squad depth
can Burns, our key player, do it at a level he’s never done it at |
I wouldn't say that Burns is our key player. Actually, I don't think anyone is, we're very much a team. But if you had to name key players, you'd put Broadhead, Chaplin, Morsy, Woolfy, Davis and possibly a few others ahead of, or at least on par with, Burns. |  |
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| Nice positive post Penners on 11:53 - Aug 5 with 1210 views | NthQldITFC |
| Nice positive post Penners on 11:35 - Aug 5 by Dyland |
I see a lot of posters concerned about Burgess' lack of pace. I'd be more concerned (if I was at all, which I'm not) by him and Luke getting caught in possession, Burgers because he's not the most technical with ball at feet and Wolfers because he can be beautifully casual, before we get into their ability to atone for it. We shall see I guess. To your point, it's not as if these players are hoofing duffers is it. And I agree re even eying Prem... Luke has a very high ceiling imo, casual or not. |
I'd be quietly telling Woolfy and Burgess that early season we don't need to be quite so ball retention-focussed. I'm not by any means saying hoof it, but just a slightly more conservative approach while we find our feet and get back into our rhythm. | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 11:54 - Aug 5 with 1210 views | Dyland |
| Main concern for the season. on 11:20 - Aug 5 by pointofblue |
Though I think any lack of patience this time around will be aimed at Ashton for not doing better in the transfer market, rather than a perception that McKenna and the squad should be getting better results, which was the case last year when we went four months without winning two league games back to back (certainly made up for that from mid February). [Post edited 5 Aug 2023 11:30]
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"Lack of patience" is really underplaying the tragic numptiness if fans start berating Ashton for "not doing better in the transfer market." Absolutely ridiculous (not aimed at you). |  |
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| It would make sense but I cant see McK endorsing it on 11:55 - Aug 5 with 1209 views | Dyland |
| Nice positive post Penners on 11:53 - Aug 5 by NthQldITFC |
I'd be quietly telling Woolfy and Burgess that early season we don't need to be quite so ball retention-focussed. I'm not by any means saying hoof it, but just a slightly more conservative approach while we find our feet and get back into our rhythm. |
I guess it will be different in every game, and within every game. Innit. | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 12:09 - Aug 5 with 1194 views | ArchiRob |
will I be able to get up and watch them all?
Kickoff is a convenient 2-4 a.m. for me and midweek games start when I should be well on my way to work (there's only so many doctors' appointments I can say I have)
When I don't watch they only go and lose - The harder the effort I have to put into watching a game they seem to put in an even better performance so I kind of feel obligated. |  |
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| Main concern for the season. on 12:09 - Aug 5 with 1185 views | chicoazul |
| Main concern for the season. on 11:47 - Aug 5 by NthQldITFC |
I wouldn't say that Burns is our key player. Actually, I don't think anyone is, we're very much a team. But if you had to name key players, you'd put Broadhead, Chaplin, Morsy, Woolfy, Davis and possibly a few others ahead of, or at least on par with, Burns. |
Explained my reasoning above. | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 15:10 - Aug 5 with 1147 views | Churchman |
| Main concern for the season. on 11:20 - Aug 5 by pointofblue |
Though I think any lack of patience this time around will be aimed at Ashton for not doing better in the transfer market, rather than a perception that McKenna and the squad should be getting better results, which was the case last year when we went four months without winning two league games back to back (certainly made up for that from mid February). [Post edited 5 Aug 2023 11:30]
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Better in the transfer market in what respect? What is the measure? Your expectations?
They made it clear how they are going about it as recently as the TownTV interview with Matt Holland. It’s not as simple as nipping to M&S for six sausage rolls and a wedge of stilton.
If you think Ashton is telling lies, take it up with him and let us know how you get on. Does McKenna look disappointed and was he hiding his dismay with a load of flannel? If you think so, again - challenge him. |  | | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 22:24 - Aug 5 with 1108 views | pointofblue |
| Main concern for the season. on 15:10 - Aug 5 by Churchman |
Better in the transfer market in what respect? What is the measure? Your expectations?
They made it clear how they are going about it as recently as the TownTV interview with Matt Holland. It’s not as simple as nipping to M&S for six sausage rolls and a wedge of stilton.
If you think Ashton is telling lies, take it up with him and let us know how you get on. Does McKenna look disappointed and was he hiding his dismay with a load of flannel? If you think so, again - challenge him. |
Football fan nature is to have someone to blame when things go wrong, whether it's the players, then manager, the CEO or the owner/s - no matter if that's fair or not. Last season I think the finger was pointed at the players, with the belief they should be doing better during the run from November to February where we failed to win two on the bounce and appeared to be cut adrift from the top two. Remember post Bristol Rovers away, when Morsy had a set to with a fan. Possibly some questions of McKenna too.
This season I don't think there will be any blame directed at the players or manager should we go go through a sticky patch. If anything it will be directed at Ashton over our moves in the transfer market, particularly if we do not bring in anyone else, or make do and try to mend as we did with Ahadme and Camara last year.
Is that right? Is that fair? Doesn't matter. Some will be very forgiving and positive but, for others, there will be a seeking of a scapegoat or two, and that isn't just an Ipswich thing either. Do I put myself in that bracket? As I feel now, no. When I allow emotion to overtake logic, especially after a defeat/poor performance... yes.  |  |
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| Main concern for the season. on 23:52 - Aug 5 with 1063 views | Churchman |
| Main concern for the season. on 22:24 - Aug 5 by pointofblue |
Football fan nature is to have someone to blame when things go wrong, whether it's the players, then manager, the CEO or the owner/s - no matter if that's fair or not. Last season I think the finger was pointed at the players, with the belief they should be doing better during the run from November to February where we failed to win two on the bounce and appeared to be cut adrift from the top two. Remember post Bristol Rovers away, when Morsy had a set to with a fan. Possibly some questions of McKenna too.
This season I don't think there will be any blame directed at the players or manager should we go go through a sticky patch. If anything it will be directed at Ashton over our moves in the transfer market, particularly if we do not bring in anyone else, or make do and try to mend as we did with Ahadme and Camara last year.
Is that right? Is that fair? Doesn't matter. Some will be very forgiving and positive but, for others, there will be a seeking of a scapegoat or two, and that isn't just an Ipswich thing either. Do I put myself in that bracket? As I feel now, no. When I allow emotion to overtake logic, especially after a defeat/poor performance... yes. |
I’ll ask again: Better in the transfer market in what respect? What is the measure? Your expectations? What does success look like? You are talking about apportioning blame should we go through a sticky patch. Of course we will go through a sticky patch so clearly you have your someone to blame already marked out. As I said earlier, either write to Ashton and demand answers or ask at the fans forum. It’s what it’s there for.
For the record, it was McKenna that copped most of the hysterics Nov-Feb. ‘He needs some experience alongside’, ‘I’m not interested in somebody learning their trade here’ etc etc. we were heading for the flowering of McKenna outs. Fortunately, there were plenty of people offering more balanced thoughts, despite their disappointment.
People getting frustrated at games is not the same thing as the car chasers and keyboard warriors. As games people are in it and so are the players. Morsy got it wrong rising to it but I understand why he did, just as I understand why Cantona drop kicked that Palace clown.
Lastly, Camara was a brilliant player for Plymouth and might have been for us. Should we have taken a risk with him? Good question, but assuming the medical bods said he’d be ok, I can understand why we took him. Ahadme scored today. Not seen enough of him to comment on whether he should have been signed. History says not but no club has ever managed a 100% success record in transfers. Even Ferguson got it wrong. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 9:32]
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| Main concern for the season. on 01:24 - Aug 6 with 1041 views | Stewart27 |
| Main concern for the season. on 22:24 - Aug 5 by pointofblue |
Football fan nature is to have someone to blame when things go wrong, whether it's the players, then manager, the CEO or the owner/s - no matter if that's fair or not. Last season I think the finger was pointed at the players, with the belief they should be doing better during the run from November to February where we failed to win two on the bounce and appeared to be cut adrift from the top two. Remember post Bristol Rovers away, when Morsy had a set to with a fan. Possibly some questions of McKenna too.
This season I don't think there will be any blame directed at the players or manager should we go go through a sticky patch. If anything it will be directed at Ashton over our moves in the transfer market, particularly if we do not bring in anyone else, or make do and try to mend as we did with Ahadme and Camara last year.
Is that right? Is that fair? Doesn't matter. Some will be very forgiving and positive but, for others, there will be a seeking of a scapegoat or two, and that isn't just an Ipswich thing either. Do I put myself in that bracket? As I feel now, no. When I allow emotion to overtake logic, especially after a defeat/poor performance... yes. |
You’re pointing blame at Ashton over transfer business before a ball has been kicked.
It’s ridiculous. | | | |
| Main concern for the season. on 05:44 - Aug 6 with 1031 views | pointofblue |
| Main concern for the season. on 23:52 - Aug 5 by Churchman |
I’ll ask again: Better in the transfer market in what respect? What is the measure? Your expectations? What does success look like? You are talking about apportioning blame should we go through a sticky patch. Of course we will go through a sticky patch so clearly you have your someone to blame already marked out. As I said earlier, either write to Ashton and demand answers or ask at the fans forum. It’s what it’s there for.
For the record, it was McKenna that copped most of the hysterics Nov-Feb. ‘He needs some experience alongside’, ‘I’m not interested in somebody learning their trade here’ etc etc. we were heading for the flowering of McKenna outs. Fortunately, there were plenty of people offering more balanced thoughts, despite their disappointment.
People getting frustrated at games is not the same thing as the car chasers and keyboard warriors. As games people are in it and so are the players. Morsy got it wrong rising to it but I understand why he did, just as I understand why Cantona drop kicked that Palace clown.
Lastly, Camara was a brilliant player for Plymouth and might have been for us. Should we have taken a risk with him? Good question, but assuming the medical bods said he’d be ok, I can understand why we took him. Ahadme scored today. Not seen enough of him to comment on whether he should have been signed. History says not but no club has ever managed a 100% success record in transfers. Even Ferguson got it wrong. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 9:32]
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I suppose by strengthening the areas which look weak. We’re really do need another centre back, Ladapo is better playing with a strike partner and there is a lack of sufficient quality cover out wide, unless Harmess and Edwards find consistency. But then, that’s if the target this season is to compete at the top end of the division. Maybe, fairly, it’s consolidation? If so, yes we do need a centre back, but the other two positions can probably wait. Plus, of course, there is still just over three weeks to go before the market closes.
From the reaction from some on here I do think criticism will be aimed at Ashton over McKenna during sticky patch/es. You are right, last year the latter was questioned due to the run which sandwiched Christmas. And there were people balancing out, especially pointing out we had lost Ball and Evans to injury, Humphreys was physically lacking to cover and that affected us until we were able to get Luongo in and up to full match fitness.
The issue with Ahadme is McKenna seemed very little interest in playing him from the off so it was pretty obvious he was a body and little more. It’s not as if he was given an opportunity and stalled - he barely registered any minutes from the outset. Compare that to Hirst, who dislodged Ladapo pretty quickly. Camara was a gamble, but seemed one we didn’t need to take, even at the time.
This conversation started because you, IMO, accurately pointed out that if we start poorly or go on a run of not winning games, the same lack of patience shown on here and Twitter at the turn of the year will roar back into life, creating additional pressure they don’t need. I responded that I believe it will be directed at Ashton, as it stands, rather than McKenna or the players. | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 06:48 - Aug 6 with 1011 views | PioneerBlue |
| Main concern for the season. on 23:52 - Aug 5 by Churchman |
I’ll ask again: Better in the transfer market in what respect? What is the measure? Your expectations? What does success look like? You are talking about apportioning blame should we go through a sticky patch. Of course we will go through a sticky patch so clearly you have your someone to blame already marked out. As I said earlier, either write to Ashton and demand answers or ask at the fans forum. It’s what it’s there for.
For the record, it was McKenna that copped most of the hysterics Nov-Feb. ‘He needs some experience alongside’, ‘I’m not interested in somebody learning their trade here’ etc etc. we were heading for the flowering of McKenna outs. Fortunately, there were plenty of people offering more balanced thoughts, despite their disappointment.
People getting frustrated at games is not the same thing as the car chasers and keyboard warriors. As games people are in it and so are the players. Morsy got it wrong rising to it but I understand why he did, just as I understand why Cantona drop kicked that Palace clown.
Lastly, Camara was a brilliant player for Plymouth and might have been for us. Should we have taken a risk with him? Good question, but assuming the medical bods said he’d be ok, I can understand why we took him. Ahadme scored today. Not seen enough of him to comment on whether he should have been signed. History says not but no club has ever managed a 100% success record in transfers. Even Ferguson got it wrong. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 9:32]
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It’s wearing isn’t it.
Fans measuring everything by their own unique expectation of what they think should be happening. KMcK is clearly aligned with MA in terms of what’s possible and it couldn’t have been more clearly pointed out in their interview the limitations that FFP place on owners and club.
So now we are blaming our CEO in advance for running the club in a sustainable way, it must be his fault the price tag other clubs places on their top players, and our manager for taking a longer view and actually being interested in improving the players he has. Jeez. | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 07:47 - Aug 6 with 994 views | BlueBoots |
| Main concern for the season. on 05:44 - Aug 6 by pointofblue |
I suppose by strengthening the areas which look weak. We’re really do need another centre back, Ladapo is better playing with a strike partner and there is a lack of sufficient quality cover out wide, unless Harmess and Edwards find consistency. But then, that’s if the target this season is to compete at the top end of the division. Maybe, fairly, it’s consolidation? If so, yes we do need a centre back, but the other two positions can probably wait. Plus, of course, there is still just over three weeks to go before the market closes.
From the reaction from some on here I do think criticism will be aimed at Ashton over McKenna during sticky patch/es. You are right, last year the latter was questioned due to the run which sandwiched Christmas. And there were people balancing out, especially pointing out we had lost Ball and Evans to injury, Humphreys was physically lacking to cover and that affected us until we were able to get Luongo in and up to full match fitness.
The issue with Ahadme is McKenna seemed very little interest in playing him from the off so it was pretty obvious he was a body and little more. It’s not as if he was given an opportunity and stalled - he barely registered any minutes from the outset. Compare that to Hirst, who dislodged Ladapo pretty quickly. Camara was a gamble, but seemed one we didn’t need to take, even at the time.
This conversation started because you, IMO, accurately pointed out that if we start poorly or go on a run of not winning games, the same lack of patience shown on here and Twitter at the turn of the year will roar back into life, creating additional pressure they don’t need. I responded that I believe it will be directed at Ashton, as it stands, rather than McKenna or the players. |
"The issue with Ahadme is McKenna seemed very little interest in playing him from the off so it was pretty obvious he was a body and little more. It’s not as if he was given an opportunity and stalled - he barely registered any minutes from the outset."
We're lucky to have a manager who shows very little interest in picking players who have fractured bones in their feet; McKenna brought Ahadme off the bench in the few games he was available before he got injured, so let's not rewrite history by saying K McK didn't rate him. By the time Ahadme got back to some sort of fitness we'd signed Hirst on loan, so obviously at that point he was less likely to get picked and went out on loan. |  |
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| Main concern for the season. on 08:12 - Aug 6 with 985 views | Churchman |
| Main concern for the season. on 06:48 - Aug 6 by PioneerBlue |
It’s wearing isn’t it.
Fans measuring everything by their own unique expectation of what they think should be happening. KMcK is clearly aligned with MA in terms of what’s possible and it couldn’t have been more clearly pointed out in their interview the limitations that FFP place on owners and club.
So now we are blaming our CEO in advance for running the club in a sustainable way, it must be his fault the price tag other clubs places on their top players, and our manager for taking a longer view and actually being interested in improving the players he has. Jeez. |
It is. It’s hard to believe looking at some of the posts that we are living through the best period for the club in about 20 years.
You are right. KM is aligned with MA. I doubt McKenna would be here now if they weren’t. They’ve made it perfectly clear what they are trying to do on (and off) the pitch on more than one occasion. But for some that’s not enough. | | | |
| Main concern for the season. on 08:15 - Aug 6 with 978 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Really? The midfield are Boro rejects and a bloke from Posh that stuttered in the Championship. The strikers have looked out of their depth in the Championship and the big signings came from teams who didn’t think they could play in the championship.
On the other hand the franchise scored a lot more goals than they let in last season and could do rather well. Few people expect outside of the fantasy world of TWTD expect Town win every game | |
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| Main concern for the season. on 08:51 - Aug 6 with 970 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Main concern for the season. on 08:15 - Aug 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
Really? The midfield are Boro rejects and a bloke from Posh that stuttered in the Championship. The strikers have looked out of their depth in the Championship and the big signings came from teams who didn’t think they could play in the championship.
On the other hand the franchise scored a lot more goals than they let in last season and could do rather well. Few people expect outside of the fantasy world of TWTD expect Town win every game |
Is there any point in you following this club anymore? You obviously hate everything about ITFC in 2023, from the owners to the CEO, to the players.
You suck the enthusiasm out of every football thread on here. |  |
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| Main concern for the season. on 09:10 - Aug 6 with 945 views | Churchman |
| Main concern for the season. on 08:51 - Aug 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Is there any point in you following this club anymore? You obviously hate everything about ITFC in 2023, from the owners to the CEO, to the players.
You suck the enthusiasm out of every football thread on here. |
He doesn’t follow this club. If he did, he wouldn’t relentlessly trot out the same old boring stuff time after time. Reminds me of the oddballs you used to see wandering about with a sandwich board saying ‘the end of the world is nigh!’. | | | |
| Main concern for the season. on 10:04 - Aug 6 with 905 views | Naylorsrightboot |
| Main concern for the season. on 11:18 - Aug 5 by chicoazul |
Main concerns;
no Walton
lack of quality squad depth
can Burns, our key player, do it at a level he’s never done it at |
Key player  .
Oh, by the way where is this player that was going to break our transfer record then? And the other 3 massive signings on top of that? |  | | |
| Main concern for the season. on 10:58 - Aug 6 with 876 views | pointofblue |
| Main concern for the season. on 06:48 - Aug 6 by PioneerBlue |
It’s wearing isn’t it.
Fans measuring everything by their own unique expectation of what they think should be happening. KMcK is clearly aligned with MA in terms of what’s possible and it couldn’t have been more clearly pointed out in their interview the limitations that FFP place on owners and club.
So now we are blaming our CEO in advance for running the club in a sustainable way, it must be his fault the price tag other clubs places on their top players, and our manager for taking a longer view and actually being interested in improving the players he has. Jeez. |
To clarify, just because I think Ashton will be targeted over the players and McKenna (though we could have a strong end to the window to negate that) does not mean I think it's right to do so. Maybe I should have just said that and left it rather than going down the rabbit hole of trying to dissect why.
Churchman originally said they feared that there the pressure will notch up if Town go on a bad run or after a few poor results; I agree it probably will but think it'll be aimed in a different direction to last season. | |
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