| McKenna and Ashton 11:16 - Aug 5 with 5597 views | le2blue |
Great interview on TownTv, could listen to them all day talking about our club, I know we know this but we're so fortunate to have them leading it...professional, intelligent, and calm. Such a contrast to the previous era.
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| McKenna and Ashton on 11:46 - Aug 6 with 792 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 11:41 - Aug 6 by tractorboy1978 |
It doesn't happen like that re players though. Clubs and agents have touted players that are leaving/available for sale well in advance to all and sundry to try and get the best deal. Professional football clubs don't become alerted to players on social media/forum rumours.
There's a raft of reasons why the club might not want info getting out but there aren't any secrets in football. |
Agents are on the phone to other clubs even during player medicals. |  |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 12:03 - Aug 6 with 767 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 11:44 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
They aren't going to change everything.
You can try stop the moles. You won't change anything outside of that, You're now asking them to censor the fans which is a bit odd.
What he can do is stop giving interviews to certain podcasts which gives them a bit of credibility who are one of the worst at spreading rumours.. maybe that's a starting place. |
You’re missing the point. Just because you can’t change everything doesn’t mean you don’t do what you can.
Ashton is a professional deal maker and he wants the best environment he can get to make the deals. I make him right. |  | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 12:46 - Aug 6 with 737 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna and Ashton on 09:47 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
If you miss out on a player it won't be because a town fan or twtd posts about it.
Its laughable imo to believe clubs only become aware of what's happening with a player when it appears on social media. |
It might be a timing issue. If clubs get wind X is about to sign (perhaps negotiations were further along than they realised) it might alert them to suddenly make a move. Wasn't there a player Ipswich signed once who was about to sign for someone else, we got wind of it so we sent a car to pick him up from a train station? Something like that.
The point is, YOU don't know all the ins and outs of football transfer deals. If Ashton says loose tongues (or tweets, these days) causes problems - even if I don't know what those problems are, I think he's earned enough credit to give him the benefit of the doubt.
If I had some info and there was the SLIGHTEST doubt in my mind that releasing it could jeopardise the deal in some way, I'd put my club first and keep my stupid mouth shut. |  |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 12:57 - Aug 6 with 720 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 12:46 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It might be a timing issue. If clubs get wind X is about to sign (perhaps negotiations were further along than they realised) it might alert them to suddenly make a move. Wasn't there a player Ipswich signed once who was about to sign for someone else, we got wind of it so we sent a car to pick him up from a train station? Something like that.
The point is, YOU don't know all the ins and outs of football transfer deals. If Ashton says loose tongues (or tweets, these days) causes problems - even if I don't know what those problems are, I think he's earned enough credit to give him the benefit of the doubt.
If I had some info and there was the SLIGHTEST doubt in my mind that releasing it could jeopardise the deal in some way, I'd put my club first and keep my stupid mouth shut. |
We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter.
And yes I do know a bit about transfers. I do have an ex colleague who is an agent on the efl. No that's not saying I've got a contact look at me, nothing like that but hes shared the ins and outs of agents, their job and as said earlier. Even when players have medicals. They contact other clubs to alert them, its part of their job. Sounds unethical but it's in their and their clients best interest.
Agents. Players. Family members. They're the worst for rumours. Not random fan accounts on social media.
I get peoples thoughts on this and I do agree with certain aspects 100% but imo Ashton is just being Ashton of the past and deflecting. Why are no other clubs moaning about it? | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:02 - Aug 6 with 708 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna and Ashton on 12:57 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter.
And yes I do know a bit about transfers. I do have an ex colleague who is an agent on the efl. No that's not saying I've got a contact look at me, nothing like that but hes shared the ins and outs of agents, their job and as said earlier. Even when players have medicals. They contact other clubs to alert them, its part of their job. Sounds unethical but it's in their and their clients best interest.
Agents. Players. Family members. They're the worst for rumours. Not random fan accounts on social media.
I get peoples thoughts on this and I do agree with certain aspects 100% but imo Ashton is just being Ashton of the past and deflecting. Why are no other clubs moaning about it? |
"We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter."
You don't know that. Twitter is just another version of getting messages out (when in the old days it would've been a phone call).
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I have plenty of other stuff in my life, but I wouldn't care if I only heard about new signings once they'd actually happened. This desperate desire to be first with info just sounds needy and attention-seeky to me. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:04 - Aug 6 with 698 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 12:57 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter.
And yes I do know a bit about transfers. I do have an ex colleague who is an agent on the efl. No that's not saying I've got a contact look at me, nothing like that but hes shared the ins and outs of agents, their job and as said earlier. Even when players have medicals. They contact other clubs to alert them, its part of their job. Sounds unethical but it's in their and their clients best interest.
Agents. Players. Family members. They're the worst for rumours. Not random fan accounts on social media.
I get peoples thoughts on this and I do agree with certain aspects 100% but imo Ashton is just being Ashton of the past and deflecting. Why are no other clubs moaning about it? |
Ashton is trying to get every advantage he can to do the best deal he can for the club. Why wouldn’t we all want that? I don’t get the criticism of what he’s saying, the only people who should be offended are those that are intent on getting attention through being ITK. Think about whose side you pick in this debate! | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:11 - Aug 6 with 680 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:04 - Aug 6 by Horsham |
Ashton is trying to get every advantage he can to do the best deal he can for the club. Why wouldn’t we all want that? I don’t get the criticism of what he’s saying, the only people who should be offended are those that are intent on getting attention through being ITK. Think about whose side you pick in this debate! |
As said earlier. Some of the worst for it.. he's been on their shows etc. Given them credibility.
Remove that aspect and the rumours will slowly die off when no one takes notice of them.
I'm not being critical on what he's saying more that i think he's just deflecting the lack of movement away from him and his recruitment team. 2/3 'down the line' transfers... what's happened to them.. they all ended because a random bloke on twitter mentioned 1 name? | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:14 - Aug 6 with 677 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:11 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
As said earlier. Some of the worst for it.. he's been on their shows etc. Given them credibility.
Remove that aspect and the rumours will slowly die off when no one takes notice of them.
I'm not being critical on what he's saying more that i think he's just deflecting the lack of movement away from him and his recruitment team. 2/3 'down the line' transfers... what's happened to them.. they all ended because a random bloke on twitter mentioned 1 name? |
You’re definitely being critical of what he’s saying. ‘Blaming fans’ and ‘same old Ashton’.
I’m glad we have a CEO who tries to exploit EVERY advantage he can for the club. | | | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:15 - Aug 6 with 675 views | Churchman |
| McKenna and Ashton on 12:57 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter.
And yes I do know a bit about transfers. I do have an ex colleague who is an agent on the efl. No that's not saying I've got a contact look at me, nothing like that but hes shared the ins and outs of agents, their job and as said earlier. Even when players have medicals. They contact other clubs to alert them, its part of their job. Sounds unethical but it's in their and their clients best interest.
Agents. Players. Family members. They're the worst for rumours. Not random fan accounts on social media.
I get peoples thoughts on this and I do agree with certain aspects 100% but imo Ashton is just being Ashton of the past and deflecting. Why are no other clubs moaning about it? |
Ashton of the past - what do you mean by that? In what way has he not met your expectations? What part of the past?
The ground has been tidied up, new pitches laid, training ground refurbed, land bought, six players brought in since Christmas on top of goodness knows how many before, medical team, recruitment team, community trust, comms, Town tv etc. The list goes on. We even have a receptionist and floodlights with bulbs in.
Sadly lost the tree growing out of the roof, but you can’t have everything. Ahhh the good old days. Lots of what the club has done will be other people’s work of course, including the Chairman and the owners funding it.
But aside from the CEO brent-speak, dinky cap, celebrations and beard, what is it you want? More players?: how many? Better players?: who?
If you know an agent, then you will know how hard or easy it is to do a deal with the player you want for the money you want to pay. I don’t know any agents so I’m interested to know. |  | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:15 - Aug 6 with 673 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:02 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter."
You don't know that. Twitter is just another version of getting messages out (when in the old days it would've been a phone call).
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I have plenty of other stuff in my life, but I wouldn't care if I only heard about new signings once they'd actually happened. This desperate desire to be first with info just sounds needy and attention-seeky to me. |
I can't believe a fan posting on Twitter, or on this forum, would alert another club to the progression of a transfer. As Frimley says, it's an agent's role to tout their players and I think someone ITK said on here, in relation to McNally, that we'd agreed a deal but the agent pulled the rug from under Ashton's feet and did a deal with Stoke. That was the agent's work - not someone posting on social media we're interested in him.
There shouldn't be any skin off our noses by keeping legitimate information we learn to ourselves (chance would be a fine thing) until the club deem fit to make it public. But I highly doubt any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. |  |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:19 - Aug 6 with 668 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:15 - Aug 6 by Churchman |
Ashton of the past - what do you mean by that? In what way has he not met your expectations? What part of the past?
The ground has been tidied up, new pitches laid, training ground refurbed, land bought, six players brought in since Christmas on top of goodness knows how many before, medical team, recruitment team, community trust, comms, Town tv etc. The list goes on. We even have a receptionist and floodlights with bulbs in.
Sadly lost the tree growing out of the roof, but you can’t have everything. Ahhh the good old days. Lots of what the club has done will be other people’s work of course, including the Chairman and the owners funding it.
But aside from the CEO brent-speak, dinky cap, celebrations and beard, what is it you want? More players?: how many? Better players?: who?
If you know an agent, then you will know how hard or easy it is to do a deal with the player you want for the money you want to pay. I don’t know any agents so I’m interested to know. |
You do know we aren't his first job dont you. He has had different clubs in his past... | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:20 - Aug 6 with 668 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:15 - Aug 6 by pointofblue |
I can't believe a fan posting on Twitter, or on this forum, would alert another club to the progression of a transfer. As Frimley says, it's an agent's role to tout their players and I think someone ITK said on here, in relation to McNally, that we'd agreed a deal but the agent pulled the rug from under Ashton's feet and did a deal with Stoke. That was the agent's work - not someone posting on social media we're interested in him.
There shouldn't be any skin off our noses by keeping legitimate information we learn to ourselves (chance would be a fine thing) until the club deem fit to make it public. But I highly doubt any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. |
It’s about more than whether a player chooses club a or club b. Millions of pounds are changing hands. | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:22 - Aug 6 with 667 views | Churchman |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:02 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"We wouldn't have got wind of it because Tommy posted about it on twitter."
You don't know that. Twitter is just another version of getting messages out (when in the old days it would've been a phone call).
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I have plenty of other stuff in my life, but I wouldn't care if I only heard about new signings once they'd actually happened. This desperate desire to be first with info just sounds needy and attention-seeky to me. |
It’s not just you. I agree 100%.
These are the same kind of saddos that call out ‘cmon Ronnie!’ at a snooker match just as he’s about to take his shot so they can hear their own voice when they play it back or call out at tennis players for the same reason after the ref bloke has told them to shut it. | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:26 - Aug 6 with 662 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:20 - Aug 6 by Horsham |
It’s about more than whether a player chooses club a or club b. Millions of pounds are changing hands. |
Yes, that's what I suspect0. Or, as I said earlier, if the fans seem more favourable about the acquistion at club A then club B, that could sway the player. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 13:46 - Aug 6 with 637 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:26 - Aug 6 by pointofblue |
Yes, that's what I suspect0. Or, as I said earlier, if the fans seem more favourable about the acquistion at club A then club B, that could sway the player. |
Apologies. Misread your post. | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 14:49 - Aug 6 with 608 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:15 - Aug 6 by pointofblue |
I can't believe a fan posting on Twitter, or on this forum, would alert another club to the progression of a transfer. As Frimley says, it's an agent's role to tout their players and I think someone ITK said on here, in relation to McNally, that we'd agreed a deal but the agent pulled the rug from under Ashton's feet and did a deal with Stoke. That was the agent's work - not someone posting on social media we're interested in him.
There shouldn't be any skin off our noses by keeping legitimate information we learn to ourselves (chance would be a fine thing) until the club deem fit to make it public. But I highly doubt any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. |
No-one's saying any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. You're exaggerating to give weight to your argument.
It's about a bigger package of non-disclosure. I like what Ashton's done so far so if he says it's an issue I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has no real reason to say it otherwise. He could just say all the other stuff about slow market, bigger teams waiting to move etc. if he wants to deflect from his own failings. Most people accept transfer deals are complicated, nuanced and difficult and would cut him a bit of slack. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 15:02 - Aug 6 with 601 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 14:49 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's saying any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. You're exaggerating to give weight to your argument.
It's about a bigger package of non-disclosure. I like what Ashton's done so far so if he says it's an issue I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has no real reason to say it otherwise. He could just say all the other stuff about slow market, bigger teams waiting to move etc. if he wants to deflect from his own failings. Most people accept transfer deals are complicated, nuanced and difficult and would cut him a bit of slack. |
Maybe it's because I don't follow other clubs as closely as Town, but I haven't heard other Directors of Football come out and ask fans to stop gossping about transfers. I'm not saying Ashton is wrong, but it does seem pretty unique. As said, suppose it may not be. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 15:03 - Aug 6 with 600 views | Churchman |
| McKenna and Ashton on 13:19 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
You do know we aren't his first job dont you. He has had different clubs in his past... |
Ahhh, I see. I thought we would get there in the end. Shall we start with ‘no smoke without fire’, 75 OTIB pages can’t all be wrong, his record at Watford more than ten years ago or the cringing celebration at Lincoln? No point in judging a person on their two years here then - other than your perception of him covering his rear end for his failure in the transfer market this summer.
If he is trying to mask his own failures to sign a load of new players beyond what we did sign by asking people not to disclose information on social media, why did he ask the same thing a long time ago at one of the early fan forums after we’d signed goodness knows how many? What was he covering up then?
By the way, what’s the name of your friend the Agent? I’m interested to know and since it’s all on social media and doesn’t matter, it shouldn’t be a problem. | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:04 - Aug 6 with 595 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 14:49 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No-one's saying any team completes their transfer dealings based on fan posts. You're exaggerating to give weight to your argument.
It's about a bigger package of non-disclosure. I like what Ashton's done so far so if he says it's an issue I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has no real reason to say it otherwise. He could just say all the other stuff about slow market, bigger teams waiting to move etc. if he wants to deflect from his own failings. Most people accept transfer deals are complicated, nuanced and difficult and would cut him a bit of slack. |
He could. But then other clubs having brought in players despite waiting for the domino's to start.
There's no slack not to give. He's just doing his job along with his team and there's a month left of the window.
Better to not say 2/3 down the road in interviews and people wouldn't then look at rumours like mcnally as players we missed out on etc.
You're doomed if you do. Doomed if you don't.
But.. don't deflect on the fans on something that's not a worldwide issue and not something that actually effects things more than agents and footballer families. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 15:10 - Aug 6 with 589 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:04 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
He could. But then other clubs having brought in players despite waiting for the domino's to start.
There's no slack not to give. He's just doing his job along with his team and there's a month left of the window.
Better to not say 2/3 down the road in interviews and people wouldn't then look at rumours like mcnally as players we missed out on etc.
You're doomed if you do. Doomed if you don't.
But.. don't deflect on the fans on something that's not a worldwide issue and not something that actually effects things more than agents and footballer families. |
You're just twisting all over the place, trying to win the point. Now you're blaming Ashton. Have you thought of a career in politics?
Get yourself a hobby (maybe it could be politics) and then you won't be so desperate to get involved with rumours and being desperate to know info first.
If there's even the slimmest chance something might be harming the club, why do it? Do you love this club or not? | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 15:15 - Aug 6 with 583 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:10 - Aug 6 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're just twisting all over the place, trying to win the point. Now you're blaming Ashton. Have you thought of a career in politics?
Get yourself a hobby (maybe it could be politics) and then you won't be so desperate to get involved with rumours and being desperate to know info first.
If there's even the slimmest chance something might be harming the club, why do it? Do you love this club or not? |
I'm not trying to win anything. You have your view. I have mine.
Not sure why you keep talking about desperation to know first. No one is talking about that. Nor are we in our exchanges here.
We are solely discussion ashtons plea to town fans about the rumours they start on social media.
I don't feel they hurt the club. No chance. Not in a million years do they. But that's my view.
Imo there is 0 chance a fan made tweet ruins a transfer. | |
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| McKenna and Ashton on 15:19 - Aug 6 with 583 views | Horsham |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:04 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
He could. But then other clubs having brought in players despite waiting for the domino's to start.
There's no slack not to give. He's just doing his job along with his team and there's a month left of the window.
Better to not say 2/3 down the road in interviews and people wouldn't then look at rumours like mcnally as players we missed out on etc.
You're doomed if you do. Doomed if you don't.
But.. don't deflect on the fans on something that's not a worldwide issue and not something that actually effects things more than agents and footballer families. |
Seriously.
1/ he’s not deflecting on the fans. He’s calling out those that leak potentially commercially sensitive and competitively sensitive information. That’s a very small number of fans.
2/ he wants to conduct business in a professional and confidential manner so he can make the best deals for the club. He’s a professional deal maker and the better deals he makes, the better football we see on the pitch. That’s the process. Trust it.
In this case you’re either supporting a few people online who want attention as ITK or you support the club. I support Ipswich Town and want the best for it and I don’t give two forks about the sensitivities of a few Internet cry babies who’d be served better getting the attention they crave in a way that doesn’t affect the club I love.
You’re entitled to your point of view but you’re not going to prove Ashton wrong on this because he isn’t. | | | |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:48 - Aug 6 with 556 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna and Ashton on 15:15 - Aug 6 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm not trying to win anything. You have your view. I have mine.
Not sure why you keep talking about desperation to know first. No one is talking about that. Nor are we in our exchanges here.
We are solely discussion ashtons plea to town fans about the rumours they start on social media.
I don't feel they hurt the club. No chance. Not in a million years do they. But that's my view.
Imo there is 0 chance a fan made tweet ruins a transfer. |
The whole point of def info/rumours is being desperate to know as early as possible, surely? And the def info merchants being desperate to LOOK like they're in the know.
The thing is, whilst you're absolutely sure, you can't actually KNOW. It would be impossible to.
I don't care enough about rumours to potentially put the club at risk, however slim that chance might be. | |
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