| See no evil. 08:34 - Aug 19 with 1507 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/19/fury-as-national-health-chec
"In 2019, the last time the assessments took place, just 14% of rivers were in good ecological health and none met standards for good chemical health. Before 2016 the tests were done annually, but the government has now opted not to deliver a complete update until 2025."
Rivers activist Feargal Sharkey said: “The future of England’s rivers has been sacrificed in a cynical act of self preservation by the very same failed government agency set up to protect them.” |  |
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| See no evil. on 08:37 - Aug 19 with 1472 views | noggin |
I blame NHS workers for wanting a pay rise. |  |
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| See no evil. on 08:44 - Aug 19 with 1437 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm not normally one for retribution, but this country needs to make sure that these disgusting scumbags pay retrospectively for their actions. They need to pay heavy, personally meaningful financial penalties and they need to be imprisoned in some cases.
They have ratcheted down the standards of governance and stewardship of our country to such a level that unless the personal consequences are shockingly severe the next mob of criminals will just come in and expect to be able to get away with the same.
I am ashamed to be British. Decency needs to fight back. Hard. |  |
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| See no evil. on 08:44 - Aug 19 with 1423 views | GlasgowBlue |
Feargal Sharkey Has been relentless in bringing this subject into the public domain. All power to him. |  |
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| See no evil. on 08:52 - Aug 19 with 1374 views | tazdac |
| See no evil. on 08:44 - Aug 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Feargal Sharkey Has been relentless in bringing this subject into the public domain. All power to him. |
He’s got a good heart, and that’s hard to find these days! ;o) |  | | |
| See no evil. on 09:37 - Aug 19 with 1305 views | Swansea_Blue |
| See no evil. on 08:44 - Aug 19 by NthQldITFC |
I'm not normally one for retribution, but this country needs to make sure that these disgusting scumbags pay retrospectively for their actions. They need to pay heavy, personally meaningful financial penalties and they need to be imprisoned in some cases.
They have ratcheted down the standards of governance and stewardship of our country to such a level that unless the personal consequences are shockingly severe the next mob of criminals will just come in and expect to be able to get away with the same.
I am ashamed to be British. Decency needs to fight back. Hard. |
Agreed. Can’t see it happening though. The self-interest is too pervasive across politics, business and organisations that could shine more of a light on the corruption, such as the media. The rewards are too great to override morals, at least for the majority. |  |
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| See no evil. on 09:39 - Aug 19 with 1304 views | Guthrum |
| See no evil. on 08:44 - Aug 19 by NthQldITFC |
I'm not normally one for retribution, but this country needs to make sure that these disgusting scumbags pay retrospectively for their actions. They need to pay heavy, personally meaningful financial penalties and they need to be imprisoned in some cases.
They have ratcheted down the standards of governance and stewardship of our country to such a level that unless the personal consequences are shockingly severe the next mob of criminals will just come in and expect to be able to get away with the same.
I am ashamed to be British. Decency needs to fight back. Hard. |
Well, Starmer is a former DPP ... |  |
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| See no evil. on 09:48 - Aug 19 with 1284 views | NthQldITFC |
| See no evil. on 09:37 - Aug 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Agreed. Can’t see it happening though. The self-interest is too pervasive across politics, business and organisations that could shine more of a light on the corruption, such as the media. The rewards are too great to override morals, at least for the majority. |
The self-interest extends deeply into the bulk of the electorate too, which is the real problem.
Assuming that democracy still functions, the ordinary voter needs to accept that the temptation of unprincipled accumulation of wealth and luxury has a hideous cumulative effect on the environment, and is a ticking time-bomb which our children will somehow have to try to defuse.
It's up to US. We need to be big enough to say enough is enough, reset our values and dismantle the cancerous growth-focussed economic system and cut out the tumours of greedy corporations that drive it ON OUR BEHALF. | |
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| See no evil. on 09:56 - Aug 19 with 1264 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| See no evil. on 09:48 - Aug 19 by NthQldITFC |
The self-interest extends deeply into the bulk of the electorate too, which is the real problem.
Assuming that democracy still functions, the ordinary voter needs to accept that the temptation of unprincipled accumulation of wealth and luxury has a hideous cumulative effect on the environment, and is a ticking time-bomb which our children will somehow have to try to defuse.
It's up to US. We need to be big enough to say enough is enough, reset our values and dismantle the cancerous growth-focussed economic system and cut out the tumours of greedy corporations that drive it ON OUR BEHALF. |
Society level Stockholm syndrome innit! | |
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| See no evil. on 10:09 - Aug 19 with 1250 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
God job you didn’t vote to leave a supranational governing body to give free marketeers the chance to shred environmental regulation. | | | |
| See no evil. on 10:19 - Aug 19 with 1235 views | Guthrum |
| See no evil. on 09:56 - Aug 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Society level Stockholm syndrome innit! |
It's more wilful than that. You can't persuade people to give up their comforts and pleasures if they have no sense of societal cohesion or duty.
If you have the fixed belief that the poor are ripping off the system on your tax bill, then you will have no empathy or desire to help them. If patriotism extends to defending the indefensible and stopping foreigners ripping you off (spot the trend here), but not to actually building up the economy, infrastructure, etc., then you won't want to contribute.
It's all so bloody inward-looking. "What's in it for me?", "Why should I have to pay for that?", never "How can we make things better?". Unfortunately, disillusionment with a warped, corrupt and scandal-ridden system will only tend to push people away from corporate endeavour and into individual, issue-focussed, more isolated groups. Political tribalism doesn't help in that, either. | |
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| See no evil. on 10:44 - Aug 19 with 1200 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| See no evil. on 10:09 - Aug 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
God job you didn’t vote to leave a supranational governing body to give free marketeers the chance to shred environmental regulation. |
Because there are defo no problems with water pollution in the promised land.
The Sarno, known as Sarnus to the Romans, is a stream that passes through Pompeii to the south of the Italian city of Naples.[3] It is considered the most polluted river in Europe.[4] It flows about 24 kilometres (15 mi) from the base of Mt. Sarno to the Bay of Naples collecting water from the Solofrana and Cavaiola tributaries during the course of its flow.
It is still partially used for irrigation, as well as the transportation of goods and fishing. It is part of the Sarno river basin, which covers about 715 square kilometres (276 sq mi).[2][5]
The Sarno is one the most polluted rivers in Europe, due to agricultural waste and insufficiently treated industrial waste water.[6][2]
There are about 500 small industrial units in the area which still emit pollution. Water treatment plants have been installed, however, they do not work to full capacity. The mouth of the river continues to make bathing in the sea impossible, despite numerous protests. [Post edited 19 Aug 2023 10:46]
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| See no evil. on 10:56 - Aug 19 with 1160 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| See no evil. on 10:44 - Aug 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Because there are defo no problems with water pollution in the promised land.
The Sarno, known as Sarnus to the Romans, is a stream that passes through Pompeii to the south of the Italian city of Naples.[3] It is considered the most polluted river in Europe.[4] It flows about 24 kilometres (15 mi) from the base of Mt. Sarno to the Bay of Naples collecting water from the Solofrana and Cavaiola tributaries during the course of its flow.
It is still partially used for irrigation, as well as the transportation of goods and fishing. It is part of the Sarno river basin, which covers about 715 square kilometres (276 sq mi).[2][5]
The Sarno is one the most polluted rivers in Europe, due to agricultural waste and insufficiently treated industrial waste water.[6][2]
There are about 500 small industrial units in the area which still emit pollution. Water treatment plants have been installed, however, they do not work to full capacity. The mouth of the river continues to make bathing in the sea impossible, despite numerous protests. [Post edited 19 Aug 2023 10:46]
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And there are far more egregious examples in the lightly regulated US which is we’re we are heading. If you believe pollution will improve after leaving the EU I think you’re going to be disappointed mate. | | | |
| See no evil. on 11:06 - Aug 19 with 1135 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| See no evil. on 10:56 - Aug 19 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
And there are far more egregious examples in the lightly regulated US which is we’re we are heading. If you believe pollution will improve after leaving the EU I think you’re going to be disappointed mate. |
Yeah but who made that claim....guess this must be what a straw man is.
Good luck waiting for the EU to save us and the planet from the current economic model though, it's going to be a long wait.
Edit...on the plus side though, as and when Starmer doesn’t fix the issue at least you and he can say it was just because we aren't in the EU. [Post edited 19 Aug 2023 11:08]
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| See no evil. on 11:42 - Aug 19 with 1094 views | BlueBadger |
If only we were a member of an overarching multinational organisation that would set continent-wide legislation pertaining to this rather than leaving it in the hands of privately owned disaster capitalists and corrupt far-right politicians seeking to feather their own nests by manipulating idiots. |  |
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| See no evil. on 12:00 - Aug 19 with 1030 views | Darth_Koont |
Will nobody think of the shareholders, the lobbyists and the ConLibLab politicians who need to get paid!!??
I think we’re losing sight of what’s really important here. |  |
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| See no evil. on 12:08 - Aug 19 with 1000 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| See no evil. on 12:00 - Aug 19 by Darth_Koont |
Will nobody think of the shareholders, the lobbyists and the ConLibLab politicians who need to get paid!!??
I think we’re losing sight of what’s really important here. |
Now they REALLY love the EU!! | |
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| See no evil. on 12:17 - Aug 19 with 979 views | Swansea_Blue |
| See no evil. on 11:42 - Aug 19 by BlueBadger |
If only we were a member of an overarching multinational organisation that would set continent-wide legislation pertaining to this rather than leaving it in the hands of privately owned disaster capitalists and corrupt far-right politicians seeking to feather their own nests by manipulating idiots. |
The Women’s Institute? | |
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| See no evil. on 12:19 - Aug 19 with 969 views | GlasgowBlue |
| See no evil. on 10:44 - Aug 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Because there are defo no problems with water pollution in the promised land.
The Sarno, known as Sarnus to the Romans, is a stream that passes through Pompeii to the south of the Italian city of Naples.[3] It is considered the most polluted river in Europe.[4] It flows about 24 kilometres (15 mi) from the base of Mt. Sarno to the Bay of Naples collecting water from the Solofrana and Cavaiola tributaries during the course of its flow.
It is still partially used for irrigation, as well as the transportation of goods and fishing. It is part of the Sarno river basin, which covers about 715 square kilometres (276 sq mi).[2][5]
The Sarno is one the most polluted rivers in Europe, due to agricultural waste and insufficiently treated industrial waste water.[6][2]
There are about 500 small industrial units in the area which still emit pollution. Water treatment plants have been installed, however, they do not work to full capacity. The mouth of the river continues to make bathing in the sea impossible, despite numerous protests. [Post edited 19 Aug 2023 10:46]
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He's making a fair point, and we should be able to put up our hands over this. Just before we left the EU, the European Commission were in the process of taking action against the UK for allowing water companies to discharge sewage into the natural environment. | |
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| See no evil. on 13:01 - Aug 19 with 918 views | NthQldITFC |
| See no evil. on 10:19 - Aug 19 by Guthrum |
It's more wilful than that. You can't persuade people to give up their comforts and pleasures if they have no sense of societal cohesion or duty.
If you have the fixed belief that the poor are ripping off the system on your tax bill, then you will have no empathy or desire to help them. If patriotism extends to defending the indefensible and stopping foreigners ripping you off (spot the trend here), but not to actually building up the economy, infrastructure, etc., then you won't want to contribute.
It's all so bloody inward-looking. "What's in it for me?", "Why should I have to pay for that?", never "How can we make things better?". Unfortunately, disillusionment with a warped, corrupt and scandal-ridden system will only tend to push people away from corporate endeavour and into individual, issue-focussed, more isolated groups. Political tribalism doesn't help in that, either. |
The "What's in it for me?", "Why should I have to pay for that?" brigade will soon realise, as a law and order-based society starts to break down that the selfish attitude will be their own downfall.
A few hundred grand in the bank and a Range Rover won't protect you from looting and pillaging of a disenfranchised and climate change-affected hungry mob. Selfishness is short-sighted and self-defeating. | |
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| See no evil. on 13:22 - Aug 19 with 888 views | Bluesky |
| See no evil. on 08:37 - Aug 19 by noggin |
I blame NHS workers for wanting a pay rise. |
Keep well. |  | | |
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