| Freddie Ladapo 11:48 - Aug 21 with 5390 views | itfcjoe |
The early games of the season seem to suggest he is miles behind Hirst and what we want at this level.
Hirst looked pooped at 70 minutes, and still stayed on, and on, and on rather than make the change
Jackson got the nod ahead of him last week.
I guess question is, will he go this window, or just be retained as a number 3 whilst we try to add one in of Hirst's level |  |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 14:48 - Aug 21 with 951 views | PioneerBlue |
I’m putting aside the Ladapo query for a moment. I know we seemed to get by with 2 outright strikers last season but in an ideal world would there be 3 with 2 in definite rotation and 1 presumably being start or end of career?
I know that costs therefore the ideal does seem to be to have hybrid options in the 10 role which since TJJ we have perhaps very different options to Hirst. Let’s be honest, how many Hirst’s can you afford and carry? Chaplin, Broadhead and Jackson are all stop gap options but if Hirst went down you have Ladapo rotating with a suboptimal key man from the 10 positions. But at least you have a now specialist 9.
Back to Ladapo.
We should keep and add. If he gets too little game time you manage that window by window and resolve next summer, if need be. I know at times he’s looked a bit lacklustre from the bench but perhaps that’s more the adjustment he’s making. I know his age is a query but he made such big steps last season why write off further improvements this year for a player already integrated. |  |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 14:54 - Aug 21 with 904 views | DJR |
A couple of references on this thread to Hirst being exhausted in the latter stages of the game, but unless I am missing something, how can a 24 year old striker get exhausted?
Strikers don't put in the constant running that midfielders do, or indeed that Davis does, and have the opportunity for a relative breather when the opposition are on the attack.
Of course, I could see this being an issue for Hirst when he first joined because he hadn't necessarily been playing regularly, but he's now been playing or training for seven or eight months. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 14:56]
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| Freddie Ladapo on 14:57 - Aug 21 with 873 views | Herbivore |
| Freddie Ladapo on 14:54 - Aug 21 by DJR |
A couple of references on this thread to Hirst being exhausted in the latter stages of the game, but unless I am missing something, how can a 24 year old striker get exhausted?
Strikers don't put in the constant running that midfielders do, or indeed that Davis does, and have the opportunity for a relative breather when the opposition are on the attack.
Of course, I could see this being an issue for Hirst when he first joined because he hadn't necessarily been playing regularly, but he's now been playing or training for seven or eight months. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 14:56]
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He presses relentlessly and is often covering three players on his own. He gets through a ton of work and a lot of it is sprinting. It's not really a surprise that he ends up feeling the pace after 70 minutes playing at that intensity. |  |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:07 - Aug 21 with 838 views | DJR |
| Freddie Ladapo on 14:57 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
He presses relentlessly and is often covering three players on his own. He gets through a ton of work and a lot of it is sprinting. It's not really a surprise that he ends up feeling the pace after 70 minutes playing at that intensity. |
You may be right but I'm not wholly convinced. Sprinting is part of the role of many a striker, and when I was playing at a much lower level would happily chase about like a headless chicken because I was young and could catch my breath when the team was defending. | | | |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:10 - Aug 21 with 809 views | Herbivore |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:07 - Aug 21 by DJR |
You may be right but I'm not wholly convinced. Sprinting is part of the role of many a striker, and when I was playing at a much lower level would happily chase about like a headless chicken because I was young and could catch my breath when the team was defending. |
I think the difference in levels is quite significant in this instance. You only have to watch him to see how much work he gets through. | |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:13 - Aug 21 with 790 views | DJR |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:10 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
I think the difference in levels is quite significant in this instance. You only have to watch him to see how much work he gets through. |
I'm not looking for an argument, but there are other players in our team who put in a lot of work, but they aren't necessarily taken off because they are knackered. Burns, Davis and Chaplin spring to mind, and just look at Morsy and Luongo both in their thirties. Indeed, Morsy is (to my knowledge) never taken off. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 15:14]
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:14 - Aug 21 with 781 views | chicoazul |
| Freddie Ladapo on 14:54 - Aug 21 by DJR |
A couple of references on this thread to Hirst being exhausted in the latter stages of the game, but unless I am missing something, how can a 24 year old striker get exhausted?
Strikers don't put in the constant running that midfielders do, or indeed that Davis does, and have the opportunity for a relative breather when the opposition are on the attack.
Of course, I could see this being an issue for Hirst when he first joined because he hadn't necessarily been playing regularly, but he's now been playing or training for seven or eight months. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 14:56]
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The first job for a 9 under McK is to score goals, but the 2nd is to press at least 2 defenders constantly and that’s almost as important. |  |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:17 - Aug 21 with 746 views | SomethingBlue |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:13 - Aug 21 by DJR |
I'm not looking for an argument, but there are other players in our team who put in a lot of work, but they aren't necessarily taken off because they are knackered. Burns, Davis and Chaplin spring to mind, and just look at Morsy and Luongo both in their thirties. Indeed, Morsy is (to my knowledge) never taken off. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 15:14]
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Strikers are asked to chase lost causes over significant distances, use the ball intelligently when they get it, press like mad whenever they don't – I think if you saw an example of the running figures they get through you'd change your mind very quickly. You might have been right 20 years ago but the role has changed massively now. | |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:20 - Aug 21 with 725 views | swede |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:07 - Aug 21 by DJR |
You may be right but I'm not wholly convinced. Sprinting is part of the role of many a striker, and when I was playing at a much lower level would happily chase about like a headless chicken because I was young and could catch my breath when the team was defending. |
I briefly spoke to George Hirst after the game while they were waiting for others outside the changing rooms and he (along with several others) looked absolutely shattered.
The heat was intense in the stands and far worse on the open pitch. George is a KMcK type of player that does not give up running. He deserves huge credit for this.
Our fitness levels were far superior to QPR which contributed hugely to the final result. | | | |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:23 - Aug 21 with 694 views | Herbivore |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:13 - Aug 21 by DJR |
I'm not looking for an argument, but there are other players in our team who put in a lot of work, but they aren't necessarily taken off because they are knackered. Burns, Davis and Chaplin spring to mind, and just look at Morsy and Luongo both in their thirties. Indeed, Morsy is (to my knowledge) never taken off. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 15:14]
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Morsy works hard but it's a very different kind of movement from what Hirst is asked to do. Hirst is often sprinting to close down two CBs and a goalie, often on his own, covering the full width of the pitch. Morsy doesn't have to do that kind of work, it's a different sort of effort. Morsy also isn't six foot plus and is carrying significantly less weight than someone like Hirst. When you're a big lad you aren't going to have the endurance of someone like Morsy. With the work Hirst gets through I'm not remotely surprised to see him tiring after 70 minutes, the options are really to have like for like back up to give him a rest or to change the way he plays so he can pace himself for the full 90. | |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:24 - Aug 21 with 685 views | CityBlue |
Freddie may be part of a transfer domino |  |
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| Freddie Ladapo on 15:32 - Aug 21 with 639 views | DJR |
| Freddie Ladapo on 15:23 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
Morsy works hard but it's a very different kind of movement from what Hirst is asked to do. Hirst is often sprinting to close down two CBs and a goalie, often on his own, covering the full width of the pitch. Morsy doesn't have to do that kind of work, it's a different sort of effort. Morsy also isn't six foot plus and is carrying significantly less weight than someone like Hirst. When you're a big lad you aren't going to have the endurance of someone like Morsy. With the work Hirst gets through I'm not remotely surprised to see him tiring after 70 minutes, the options are really to have like for like back up to give him a rest or to change the way he plays so he can pace himself for the full 90. |
Without wishing to spell it out, I think the point I was making did really come down to Hirst's size.
And there's certainly no need for him to change the way he plays, given that our team now seems to use subs in the way that rugby does. [Post edited 21 Aug 2023 15:33]
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| Freddie Ladapo on 16:25 - Aug 21 with 552 views | billlm |
Deffinatly go in January, |  | | |
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