| Interesting stats on chance creation here 22:45 - Sep 21 with 6809 views | Dubtractor |
2 notable ITFC entries - shows that Wes really is a critical part of our team, as most of us already knew.
Edit: Apologies for the budgies image.
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:02 - Sep 22 with 1571 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:46 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
No. His delivery still isn't amazing.
But the discussions recently that I've had have been about his goal scoring. Which whilst ignored by you... I mentioned his lack of clinical finishing many times before.
Hey I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread. But after all I was name dropped. So. It's only polite. |
Last season he was 96th percentile for assists. 91st percentile for goal contributions. 95th percentile for expected assists (i.e. his delivery is statistically very good Vs others), 94th percentile for successful crosses (again actual data showing you are talking nonsense).
Before you say that's league one. Same for this season (which is small sample size but still data). He is 88th Percentile for expected assists, 97th percentile for key passes and 84th percentile for successful crosses.
The data is out there....
You keep boiling your point down and down until you've now had to just stick to goal scoring as being your only argument (which is really really silly when you look at his goal contributions and you yourself said he has a unique role - clearly not as attacking as Broadhead for example). Still I had a look at this because you said "well for the chances he gets he should score more blah blah".
Actually both the last two season he scored more than his expected goals for the chances he had.
Your last bastion to argue is therefore also wrong.
Well done.
(This reflects badly on me that I've been drawn in again but given the above completely and utterly blasts your 'opinion' out of the water it was worth one last post). [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 18:36]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:07 - Sep 22 with 1552 views | BarcaBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:57 - Sep 22 by Bluebell |
Still got to get a dig in about Wes, Frimley! 
When will you realise how good he is? |
Is FrimleyMakin still spouting Burns nonsense? Put him on ignore, miss out on his latest hot take, miss out on him doubling down on his hot takes when he's been proved wrong, miss out on next week's hot take - you know it makes sense. Leave him in his echo chamber. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:31 - Sep 22 with 1511 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:47 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
When he actually puts away the chances he gets better than he does.
Oh. And again. Poster named me. So only polite to respond |
I think your view on Burns is grossly unfair, bordering on ridiculous. There does seem to be an element of wanting the moon on a stick here. Of course he'll misplace crosses and miss chances at times, that's football. I genuinely don't understand what you expect of footballers sometimes. We signed a player in L1 for a rumored £250k, he's since played 86 times in the league, delivering 20 goals, 18 assists and countless other goal scoring chances (26 shot creating chances this season alone, one of the highest in the division).
He's also become a Wales International in the time and taken to the step up to the Championship in his stride. Off the ball his work rate is incredible, his defensive contributions are excellent, it's honestly the weirdest flex to take exception to Burns' performances. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:34 - Sep 22 with 1482 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:02 - Sep 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Last season he was 96th percentile for assists. 91st percentile for goal contributions. 95th percentile for expected assists (i.e. his delivery is statistically very good Vs others), 94th percentile for successful crosses (again actual data showing you are talking nonsense).
Before you say that's league one. Same for this season (which is small sample size but still data). He is 88th Percentile for expected assists, 97th percentile for key passes and 84th percentile for successful crosses.
The data is out there....
You keep boiling your point down and down until you've now had to just stick to goal scoring as being your only argument (which is really really silly when you look at his goal contributions and you yourself said he has a unique role - clearly not as attacking as Broadhead for example). Still I had a look at this because you said "well for the chances he gets he should score more blah blah".
Actually both the last two season he scored more than his expected goals for the chances he had.
Your last bastion to argue is therefore also wrong.
Well done.
(This reflects badly on me that I've been drawn in again but given the above completely and utterly blasts your 'opinion' out of the water it was worth one last post). [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 18:36]
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Ah yes still continue to ignore my gripes with him.
Oh no someone doesn't like a player. Oh how will the world cope. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:36 - Sep 22 with 1470 views | homer_123 |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:31 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
I think your view on Burns is grossly unfair, bordering on ridiculous. There does seem to be an element of wanting the moon on a stick here. Of course he'll misplace crosses and miss chances at times, that's football. I genuinely don't understand what you expect of footballers sometimes. We signed a player in L1 for a rumored £250k, he's since played 86 times in the league, delivering 20 goals, 18 assists and countless other goal scoring chances (26 shot creating chances this season alone, one of the highest in the division).
He's also become a Wales International in the time and taken to the step up to the Championship in his stride. Off the ball his work rate is incredible, his defensive contributions are excellent, it's honestly the weirdest flex to take exception to Burns' performances. |
Frimmers isn't the only one....
With Burns injured... by homer_123 11 Sep 2023 8:15Hmm, 'lazy' is the one criticism that I don't think can be placed at Burns's door.
The amount of ground he covers is phenomenal, his work ethic and rate is fantastic.
It is baffling sometimes isn't it. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:37 - Sep 22 with 1468 views | BarcaBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:31 - Sep 22 by _clive_baker_ |
I think your view on Burns is grossly unfair, bordering on ridiculous. There does seem to be an element of wanting the moon on a stick here. Of course he'll misplace crosses and miss chances at times, that's football. I genuinely don't understand what you expect of footballers sometimes. We signed a player in L1 for a rumored £250k, he's since played 86 times in the league, delivering 20 goals, 18 assists and countless other goal scoring chances (26 shot creating chances this season alone, one of the highest in the division).
He's also become a Wales International in the time and taken to the step up to the Championship in his stride. Off the ball his work rate is incredible, his defensive contributions are excellent, it's honestly the weirdest flex to take exception to Burns' performances. |
Attention seeking trolling nonsense is FrimleyMakin's raison d'etre, pop him on ignore. | | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:39 - Sep 22 with 1461 views | homer_123 |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:34 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Ah yes still continue to ignore my gripes with him.
Oh no someone doesn't like a player. Oh how will the world cope. |
Hey, we all have players we like and dislike.
But even if you don't like Wes, how you can't acknowledge, even begrudgingly, how good he has been and is for us is astonishing.
What's to be gained by doubling down? [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:41]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:48 - Sep 22 with 1422 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:39 - Sep 22 by homer_123 |
Hey, we all have players we like and dislike.
But even if you don't like Wes, how you can't acknowledge, even begrudgingly, how good he has been and is for us is astonishing.
What's to be gained by doubling down? [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:41]
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I've acknowledged aspects that wes is good at. Many many times. But somehow this gets lost in the matrix and people only see what I dislike.
I don't agree that he's as good as some make him appear however and I still think we can do better.
But as I say.. not liking a player isn't allowed.
There's plenty of posts of mine where I've agreed and accepted his stats on certain elements of his game.
But what was the biggest gripe. Still is a gripe and that's his lack of clinical finishing simple as that.
Flashing stats from league 1 2 seasons ago or last season isn't the evidence people think it is. As I said recently 4 goals in 7 months of football isn't a great return for someone who's role gives him the opportunities to score someone's in games more opportunities than the strikers get. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:04 - Sep 22 with 1395 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:48 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I've acknowledged aspects that wes is good at. Many many times. But somehow this gets lost in the matrix and people only see what I dislike.
I don't agree that he's as good as some make him appear however and I still think we can do better.
But as I say.. not liking a player isn't allowed.
There's plenty of posts of mine where I've agreed and accepted his stats on certain elements of his game.
But what was the biggest gripe. Still is a gripe and that's his lack of clinical finishing simple as that.
Flashing stats from league 1 2 seasons ago or last season isn't the evidence people think it is. As I said recently 4 goals in 7 months of football isn't a great return for someone who's role gives him the opportunities to score someone's in games more opportunities than the strikers get. |
You haven't. You've made snide remarks like "sure he runs a round a lot" which you make clear anyone can do and then pass this off as acknowledging strengths. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:07 - Sep 22 with 1381 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:07 - Sep 22 by BarcaBlue |
Is FrimleyMakin still spouting Burns nonsense? Put him on ignore, miss out on his latest hot take, miss out on him doubling down on his hot takes when he's been proved wrong, miss out on next week's hot take - you know it makes sense. Leave him in his echo chamber. |
Think it's going to have happen. Just a shame. There was a small period in o
Pre-season he started talking some sense and positivity. Then as soon as actual football starts and his brain is confronted with interpreting what his eyes see things fall down.
Worse though it becomes a case of "whatever gets me attention" he'll run with.
Give it another game week and then I think going to have to press the button. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 13:08]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:08 - Sep 22 with 1377 views | HankScorpio |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:48 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I've acknowledged aspects that wes is good at. Many many times. But somehow this gets lost in the matrix and people only see what I dislike.
I don't agree that he's as good as some make him appear however and I still think we can do better.
But as I say.. not liking a player isn't allowed.
There's plenty of posts of mine where I've agreed and accepted his stats on certain elements of his game.
But what was the biggest gripe. Still is a gripe and that's his lack of clinical finishing simple as that.
Flashing stats from league 1 2 seasons ago or last season isn't the evidence people think it is. As I said recently 4 goals in 7 months of football isn't a great return for someone who's role gives him the opportunities to score someone's in games more opportunities than the strikers get. |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:18 - Sep 22 with 1368 views | Illinoisblue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:37 - Sep 22 by BarcaBlue |
Attention seeking trolling nonsense is FrimleyMakin's raison d'etre, pop him on ignore. |
I don’t think he’s trolling as such; he just doubles and triples down on his takes even when presented with mountains of evidence that contradict his opinions. In the case of Burns he seems mad that a Championship player is not performing at a Champions League level. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:37 - Sep 22 with 1339 views | BiGDonnie |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:18 - Sep 22 by Illinoisblue |
I don’t think he’s trolling as such; he just doubles and triples down on his takes even when presented with mountains of evidence that contradict his opinions. In the case of Burns he seems mad that a Championship player is not performing at a Champions League level. |
No, he's just thick as pig sh*t. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:40 - Sep 22 with 1337 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:18 - Sep 22 by Illinoisblue |
I don’t think he’s trolling as such; he just doubles and triples down on his takes even when presented with mountains of evidence that contradict his opinions. In the case of Burns he seems mad that a Championship player is not performing at a Champions League level. |
He's just what the kids would call a massive whopper. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:54 - Sep 22 with 1312 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:04 - Sep 22 by Nutkins_Return |
You haven't. You've made snide remarks like "sure he runs a round a lot" which you make clear anyone can do and then pass this off as acknowledging strengths. |
I've made remarks amongst other posts yes. But again your choosing to ignore the other posts of mine where I actually agree with specific areas of strengths.
But as I said. You lot choose what you're happy to remember and the rest well doesn't suit your agendas so. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:55 - Sep 22 with 1312 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:18 - Sep 22 by Illinoisblue |
I don’t think he’s trolling as such; he just doubles and triples down on his takes even when presented with mountains of evidence that contradict his opinions. In the case of Burns he seems mad that a Championship player is not performing at a Champions League level. |
Again
Asking a player who plays an attacking role to score more than 4 goals in 7 months isn't asking for a championsleague player. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:58 - Sep 22 with 1304 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:37 - Sep 22 by BiGDonnie |
No, he's just thick as pig sh*t. |
Bless. Has me on ignore yet keen to talk about me. Rent free | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 14:02 - Sep 22 with 1294 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:07 - Sep 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Think it's going to have happen. Just a shame. There was a small period in o
Pre-season he started talking some sense and positivity. Then as soon as actual football starts and his brain is confronted with interpreting what his eyes see things fall down.
Worse though it becomes a case of "whatever gets me attention" he'll run with.
Give it another game week and then I think going to have to press the button. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 13:08]
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Why wait.
I'm still waiting on another posters answer tho to what apart from Burns comments do you disagree with me posting lately.... and by lately I'm happy to go with since pre season.
Maybe you could answer that if you're close to pushing the dreaded button.
Think it's a fair question | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 14:11 - Sep 22 with 1267 views | Illinoisblue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 13:55 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Again
Asking a player who plays an attacking role to score more than 4 goals in 7 months isn't asking for a championsleague player. |
To borrow from the great late Christopher Hitchens, “you appear to give the awful impression that you’ve never read any of the arguments against your position, ever.” | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 14:33 - Sep 22 with 1236 views | mrfixit426 |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:02 - Sep 22 by Nutkins_Return |
Last season he was 96th percentile for assists. 91st percentile for goal contributions. 95th percentile for expected assists (i.e. his delivery is statistically very good Vs others), 94th percentile for successful crosses (again actual data showing you are talking nonsense).
Before you say that's league one. Same for this season (which is small sample size but still data). He is 88th Percentile for expected assists, 97th percentile for key passes and 84th percentile for successful crosses.
The data is out there....
You keep boiling your point down and down until you've now had to just stick to goal scoring as being your only argument (which is really really silly when you look at his goal contributions and you yourself said he has a unique role - clearly not as attacking as Broadhead for example). Still I had a look at this because you said "well for the chances he gets he should score more blah blah".
Actually both the last two season he scored more than his expected goals for the chances he had.
Your last bastion to argue is therefore also wrong.
Well done.
(This reflects badly on me that I've been drawn in again but given the above completely and utterly blasts your 'opinion' out of the water it was worth one last post). [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 18:36]
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He just comes across as the annoying colleague at work who has an outspoken opinion on everything without actually know much about anything. In this case it's football.
Everyone rolls their eyes behind his back when he starts talking. Here he gets called out for it. It's a form of narcissism, or at the very least a need to be the centre of attention.
I haven't added him to the div list because I quite enjoy pointing and laughing.
P.S. Good research btw. If only more people paid attention to the numbers. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 18:16 - Sep 22 with 1148 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 14:33 - Sep 22 by mrfixit426 |
He just comes across as the annoying colleague at work who has an outspoken opinion on everything without actually know much about anything. In this case it's football.
Everyone rolls their eyes behind his back when he starts talking. Here he gets called out for it. It's a form of narcissism, or at the very least a need to be the centre of attention.
I haven't added him to the div list because I quite enjoy pointing and laughing.
P.S. Good research btw. If only more people paid attention to the numbers. |
Cheers mate. Can't disagree with any of that.
I just don't like putting anyone on block and sometimes it's a good excuse to have a look through the data (oh, yep, he's completely wrong again). Although a bit like playing FIFA on the easiest setting or something.
If I had to describe him he's a bit like athletes foot. Properly annoying but you can't help scratch that fkn itch sometimes.
Good old Frimbot. | |
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