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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 10:49 - Jan 25 with 9944 viewsElderGrizzly

Still only a 27 point lead with Reform’s 13% likely to deliver just 2 MPs for Tice but lose the Tories 200. Oh well :)

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:16 - Jan 31 with 2147 viewsDJR

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:26 - Jan 31 by Clapham_Junction

Based on my experience locally, I would be surprised if that were the case. Unfortunately my CLP is probably one of the most right-wing in the country (the guests at CLP events are always people like Streeting, Akehurst, Duale etc, who unfortunately seem to be the ones in the driving seat now) and there is no indication from them that they have any desire for the kind of big changes the country needs. One of the reasons Labour lost in the local elections here in 2022 was their timidity in going along with spending cuts, failing to protect frontline services like other boroughs managed to, and their incredibly weak approach to LTNs which pleased no-one (Labour may well lose the seat in the general election too, although that is more linked to the party's stance on the Israel/Gaza situation).

If there are any "bold" policies, I suspect they will not be bold in a good way.


As someone who resigned from the Labour Party a couple of months ago over the direction of travel, my view, when it comes to people like Streeting and Akehurst, is that their stance isn't just pragmatic but is in fact ideological. And I can see no way those now in control of the party will ever relinquish the total control they now have.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:25 - Jan 31 with 2122 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:16 - Jan 31 by DJR

As someone who resigned from the Labour Party a couple of months ago over the direction of travel, my view, when it comes to people like Streeting and Akehurst, is that their stance isn't just pragmatic but is in fact ideological. And I can see no way those now in control of the party will ever relinquish the total control they now have.


When you consider the lengths to which they went to get 'their' party back I make you right!
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:31 - Jan 31 with 2100 viewsBlueschev

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:16 - Jan 31 by DJR

As someone who resigned from the Labour Party a couple of months ago over the direction of travel, my view, when it comes to people like Streeting and Akehurst, is that their stance isn't just pragmatic but is in fact ideological. And I can see no way those now in control of the party will ever relinquish the total control they now have.


I don't envisage a swing to the left within Labour ever again. Ironically due to the Labour Right's Stalinist structure.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:36 - Jan 31 with 2074 viewsPinewoodblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:31 - Jan 31 by Blueschev

I don't envisage a swing to the left within Labour ever again. Ironically due to the Labour Right's Stalinist structure.


Would it be fair to say LibDems are to the left of the current Labour Party leadership?

In which case Labour needing LibDem support might be the answer.

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 19:07 - Jan 31 with 1992 viewsDJR

Never trust a Tory?


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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 14:05 - Feb 1 with 1899 viewsDJR

It's growth or bust! And things aren't looking good on the growth front.

https://www.cityam.com/rachel-reeves-labour-will-cap-corporation-tax-at-25-per-c
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:18 - Feb 1 with 1825 viewsDJR

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 14:05 - Feb 1 by DJR

It's growth or bust! And things aren't looking good on the growth front.

https://www.cityam.com/rachel-reeves-labour-will-cap-corporation-tax-at-25-per-c


Even more bad news on the growth front.

"Labour to ditch £28bn annual green investment pledge, party sources say."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/labour-to-ditch-annual-green-in
[Post edited 1 Feb 2024 21:19]
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:26 - Feb 1 with 1813 viewsSwansea_Blue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:18 - Feb 1 by DJR

Even more bad news on the growth front.

"Labour to ditch £28bn annual green investment pledge, party sources say."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/labour-to-ditch-annual-green-in
[Post edited 1 Feb 2024 21:19]


You'll know more than me, but the traditionally left-leaning economists can't stand Reeves can they? I'm thinking of the likes of Richard Murphy and Danny Blanchflower. From the little I've seen from them, they're not impressed at all and think we won't see a change from the Tories (in terms of economic policy at least). I don't know if that's true, but they paint a depressing picture of the future under Labour.

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:46 - Feb 1 with 1790 viewsDJR

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:26 - Feb 1 by Swansea_Blue

You'll know more than me, but the traditionally left-leaning economists can't stand Reeves can they? I'm thinking of the likes of Richard Murphy and Danny Blanchflower. From the little I've seen from them, they're not impressed at all and think we won't see a change from the Tories (in terms of economic policy at least). I don't know if that's true, but they paint a depressing picture of the future under Labour.


I'm no economist but even Lord O'Neil, a former Tory minister and economist who coined the acronym BRIC, thinks the governments should be borrowing to invest.

As it is, there seems to me no discernible difference between Hunt and Reeves, which is bad news for growth, the only game in town when it comes to rescuing public services given Labour have ruled out increased taxation.

The problem is made worse by the poor record of the UK on private investment leading to lower productivity than other countries, but Labour does not appear prepared to do anything about this either, instead pandering today to the City where short termism seems the order of the day.

[Post edited 1 Feb 2024 21:53]
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:20 - Feb 1 with 1751 viewsNthQldITFC

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:18 - Feb 1 by DJR

Even more bad news on the growth front.

"Labour to ditch £28bn annual green investment pledge, party sources say."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/labour-to-ditch-annual-green-in
[Post edited 1 Feb 2024 21:19]


Arseholes.

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:30 - Feb 1 with 1733 viewsparhamblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:36 - Jan 31 by Pinewoodblue

Would it be fair to say LibDems are to the left of the current Labour Party leadership?

In which case Labour needing LibDem support might be the answer.


Guess who ...

A Fair Deal for the Economy

As we gear up for the General Election, we're sharing our pre-manifesto policies through a series of emails, focusing on the Fair Deal we're championing in key areas.

Here's a snapshot of our plans for the economy, business and jobs 🔽
Why we need a Fair Deal for the Economy

Economic growth has been weak for years and the Conservative Government has hurt the public finances through reckless mismanagement, culminating with their mini-budget last year.

Millions are struggling to make ends meet in a cost-of-living crisis, while oil and gas firms make record profits.

The public deserves better - our Fair Deal will support families and foster sustainable economic growth.
A couple look at their bills.

A fairer economy

We believe in an inclusive economy, one that offers opportunities for all while ensuring fairness and accountability.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Help people with living costs and energy bills by implementing a proper one-off windfall tax on the super-profits of oil and gas companies.

✅ Promote fair taxation by reversing the Conservatives’ unfair tax cuts for big banks and abolishing the separate Capital Gains tax-free allowance, to tax income from wealth more similarly to income from work.

✅ Strengthen tax enforcement, reduce the tax gap, and equip HMRC to combat tax fraud effectively, saving taxpayers billions.

The economy must work for everyone.
A stronger economy

We need sustainable, long-term growth through wise investments and the responsible management of public finances.

That’s why we would:

✅ Invest in infrastructure, innovation, and skills nationwide to create jobs, prosperity, and tackle climate change.

✅ Secure economic health while controlling spending - day-to-day spending will not exceed money raised from taxes in the medium term, with flexibility during economic crises.

✅ Uphold fiscal responsibility by requiring OBR forecasts for all fiscal decisions.
A worker on a roof full of solar panels.

Supporting businesses and jobs

To grow the economy, we need a strong partnership with businesses. When we work with business, it creates opportunities for investment, growth and employment, which benefits us all.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Reform business rates to support our high streets, boost British manufacturers and close the gap with online tech giants, while creating good local jobs.

✅ Develop an industrial strategy that encourages businesses to invest in clean technologies, building a green economy.

✅ Introduce a duty of care for the environment and human rights in business operations and supply chains.

✅ Reduce trade barriers and strengthen relationships with trading partners - we will fix the broken relationship with Europe and ensure Parliament is consulted on, and signs off on, negotiating mandates and trade agreements.

✅ Address labour shortages that are another outcome of the Conservatives’ botched deal with Europe by boosting skills and apprenticeships, and agreeing reciprocal fast-tracked work visas in key economic sectors.

✅ Support science, research and innovation, especially among small businesses and startups, in areas like zero-carbon, environmental, and medical technologies.

✅ Combat the productivity crisis through incentives for businesses to invest in training, digital technologies, and energy efficiency.

We are committed to helping everyone reach their full potential - that’s why we’ll support people throughout their careers and why jobs must adapt to their workers’ lifestyles, rather than the reverse.

We will:

✅ Boost productivity and encourage people to enter the job market by making flexible working open to all, unless a significant business reason makes it unworkable.

✅ Address skills and recruitment challenges by investing in education, increasing apprenticeships, and providing career guidance for young people.

That’s the fair deal for the economy and workers that we’ll be fighting for at the General Election.

Best wishes,

Liberal Democrats
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:40 - Feb 1 with 1727 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 21:46 - Feb 1 by DJR

I'm no economist but even Lord O'Neil, a former Tory minister and economist who coined the acronym BRIC, thinks the governments should be borrowing to invest.

As it is, there seems to me no discernible difference between Hunt and Reeves, which is bad news for growth, the only game in town when it comes to rescuing public services given Labour have ruled out increased taxation.

The problem is made worse by the poor record of the UK on private investment leading to lower productivity than other countries, but Labour does not appear prepared to do anything about this either, instead pandering today to the City where short termism seems the order of the day.

[Post edited 1 Feb 2024 21:53]


The City isn’t run on a short-term approach- most execs are on LTI’s now, and linked to long term growth of equities and bottom line results. It’s also more stringently regulated (at least for now) than continental Europe, we have stronger balance sheets which is why we avoided contagion from the bank collapses in Switzerland and the US.

But the wider point is the UK needs better diversification in its economy. Part of the reason we were hit worse than most in Europe in the pandemic was our reliance on the service industry. There’s a new Industrial Revolution underway in terms of renewable and green energy with trillions being spent globally - so the pullback from their plans (even at a modest $28bn) is most definitely short-termist and disappointing.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 07:40 - Feb 2 with 1653 viewsDJR

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:40 - Feb 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna

The City isn’t run on a short-term approach- most execs are on LTI’s now, and linked to long term growth of equities and bottom line results. It’s also more stringently regulated (at least for now) than continental Europe, we have stronger balance sheets which is why we avoided contagion from the bank collapses in Switzerland and the US.

But the wider point is the UK needs better diversification in its economy. Part of the reason we were hit worse than most in Europe in the pandemic was our reliance on the service industry. There’s a new Industrial Revolution underway in terms of renewable and green energy with trillions being spent globally - so the pullback from their plans (even at a modest $28bn) is most definitely short-termist and disappointing.


My reference to City short-termism was based on articles like the following where the Bank of England’s top economist, said UK company law gave too much importance to shareholders over other priorities such as employees, suppliers and investment, and said that dividends that outpaced profits and companies buying back shares were partly to blame for the economy not fulfilling its potential.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/05/legal-and-general-boss-backs-an

The headline to the article was.

"Legal & General boss backs Andy Haldane's attack on City short-termism

Nigel Wilson says companies should not pay out cash to shareholders at expense of long-term investment, echoing view of Bank of England’s top economist"

Maybe things have moved on since then (although the uncertainty caused by Brexit and Covid won't have helped when it comes to investment), but my reference City short-termism also included things like private equity which has had an adverse effect, when it comes to investment, on the water industry.

And whatever the cause, we must be doing something wrong given business investment in the UK is lower than in any other country in the G7, and 27th out of 30 OECD countries. And the combination of a lack of both public and private investment has led to what the IPPR called a doom loop.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/20/uk-economy-in-growth-doom-loop-

Sadly there is little evidence that either party intends to do much to change things.
[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 7:52]
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 08:25 - Feb 2 with 1613 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 07:40 - Feb 2 by DJR

My reference to City short-termism was based on articles like the following where the Bank of England’s top economist, said UK company law gave too much importance to shareholders over other priorities such as employees, suppliers and investment, and said that dividends that outpaced profits and companies buying back shares were partly to blame for the economy not fulfilling its potential.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/05/legal-and-general-boss-backs-an

The headline to the article was.

"Legal & General boss backs Andy Haldane's attack on City short-termism

Nigel Wilson says companies should not pay out cash to shareholders at expense of long-term investment, echoing view of Bank of England’s top economist"

Maybe things have moved on since then (although the uncertainty caused by Brexit and Covid won't have helped when it comes to investment), but my reference City short-termism also included things like private equity which has had an adverse effect, when it comes to investment, on the water industry.

And whatever the cause, we must be doing something wrong given business investment in the UK is lower than in any other country in the G7, and 27th out of 30 OECD countries. And the combination of a lack of both public and private investment has led to what the IPPR called a doom loop.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/20/uk-economy-in-growth-doom-loop-

Sadly there is little evidence that either party intends to do much to change things.
[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 7:52]


“said UK company law gave too much importance to shareholders over other priorities such as employees, suppliers and investment”

That’s more of a UK problem than a City problem, as you’ll find very few UK headquartered/listed firms in the City now. In fact the FTSE100 is also a dog when it comes to performance compared to Western peers - it’s very heavily dominated by commodities, not Finance. It’s widely recognised that companies are also shunning listing in the Uk:-

https://businesschief.eu/articles/why-are-firms-shunning-london-stock-exchange#

Of course the City is also hamstrung by firsty being cut off from the Continent, and secondly having a tax haven across the Irish Sea. So until conditions improve for investment, we’ll continue to see capital being deployed elsewhere.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 10:26 - Feb 2 with 1537 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:30 - Feb 1 by parhamblue

Guess who ...

A Fair Deal for the Economy

As we gear up for the General Election, we're sharing our pre-manifesto policies through a series of emails, focusing on the Fair Deal we're championing in key areas.

Here's a snapshot of our plans for the economy, business and jobs 🔽
Why we need a Fair Deal for the Economy

Economic growth has been weak for years and the Conservative Government has hurt the public finances through reckless mismanagement, culminating with their mini-budget last year.

Millions are struggling to make ends meet in a cost-of-living crisis, while oil and gas firms make record profits.

The public deserves better - our Fair Deal will support families and foster sustainable economic growth.
A couple look at their bills.

A fairer economy

We believe in an inclusive economy, one that offers opportunities for all while ensuring fairness and accountability.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Help people with living costs and energy bills by implementing a proper one-off windfall tax on the super-profits of oil and gas companies.

✅ Promote fair taxation by reversing the Conservatives’ unfair tax cuts for big banks and abolishing the separate Capital Gains tax-free allowance, to tax income from wealth more similarly to income from work.

✅ Strengthen tax enforcement, reduce the tax gap, and equip HMRC to combat tax fraud effectively, saving taxpayers billions.

The economy must work for everyone.
A stronger economy

We need sustainable, long-term growth through wise investments and the responsible management of public finances.

That’s why we would:

✅ Invest in infrastructure, innovation, and skills nationwide to create jobs, prosperity, and tackle climate change.

✅ Secure economic health while controlling spending - day-to-day spending will not exceed money raised from taxes in the medium term, with flexibility during economic crises.

✅ Uphold fiscal responsibility by requiring OBR forecasts for all fiscal decisions.
A worker on a roof full of solar panels.

Supporting businesses and jobs

To grow the economy, we need a strong partnership with businesses. When we work with business, it creates opportunities for investment, growth and employment, which benefits us all.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Reform business rates to support our high streets, boost British manufacturers and close the gap with online tech giants, while creating good local jobs.

✅ Develop an industrial strategy that encourages businesses to invest in clean technologies, building a green economy.

✅ Introduce a duty of care for the environment and human rights in business operations and supply chains.

✅ Reduce trade barriers and strengthen relationships with trading partners - we will fix the broken relationship with Europe and ensure Parliament is consulted on, and signs off on, negotiating mandates and trade agreements.

✅ Address labour shortages that are another outcome of the Conservatives’ botched deal with Europe by boosting skills and apprenticeships, and agreeing reciprocal fast-tracked work visas in key economic sectors.

✅ Support science, research and innovation, especially among small businesses and startups, in areas like zero-carbon, environmental, and medical technologies.

✅ Combat the productivity crisis through incentives for businesses to invest in training, digital technologies, and energy efficiency.

We are committed to helping everyone reach their full potential - that’s why we’ll support people throughout their careers and why jobs must adapt to their workers’ lifestyles, rather than the reverse.

We will:

✅ Boost productivity and encourage people to enter the job market by making flexible working open to all, unless a significant business reason makes it unworkable.

✅ Address skills and recruitment challenges by investing in education, increasing apprenticeships, and providing career guidance for young people.

That’s the fair deal for the economy and workers that we’ll be fighting for at the General Election.

Best wishes,

Liberal Democrats


Whilst a bit ‘woolly’ and lacking any detail, it is at least more interesting than anything Labour are serving up at the moment. I think the problem for me is they are spending all their effort in telling us what they WONT do rather than what they WILL do.

I’ve no doubt this is largely driven by Corbyn’s constant own goals in the media, but at some point they’ll have to give us a manifesto…
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 11:45 - Feb 2 with 1507 viewsleitrimblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 22:30 - Feb 1 by parhamblue

Guess who ...

A Fair Deal for the Economy

As we gear up for the General Election, we're sharing our pre-manifesto policies through a series of emails, focusing on the Fair Deal we're championing in key areas.

Here's a snapshot of our plans for the economy, business and jobs 🔽
Why we need a Fair Deal for the Economy

Economic growth has been weak for years and the Conservative Government has hurt the public finances through reckless mismanagement, culminating with their mini-budget last year.

Millions are struggling to make ends meet in a cost-of-living crisis, while oil and gas firms make record profits.

The public deserves better - our Fair Deal will support families and foster sustainable economic growth.
A couple look at their bills.

A fairer economy

We believe in an inclusive economy, one that offers opportunities for all while ensuring fairness and accountability.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Help people with living costs and energy bills by implementing a proper one-off windfall tax on the super-profits of oil and gas companies.

✅ Promote fair taxation by reversing the Conservatives’ unfair tax cuts for big banks and abolishing the separate Capital Gains tax-free allowance, to tax income from wealth more similarly to income from work.

✅ Strengthen tax enforcement, reduce the tax gap, and equip HMRC to combat tax fraud effectively, saving taxpayers billions.

The economy must work for everyone.
A stronger economy

We need sustainable, long-term growth through wise investments and the responsible management of public finances.

That’s why we would:

✅ Invest in infrastructure, innovation, and skills nationwide to create jobs, prosperity, and tackle climate change.

✅ Secure economic health while controlling spending - day-to-day spending will not exceed money raised from taxes in the medium term, with flexibility during economic crises.

✅ Uphold fiscal responsibility by requiring OBR forecasts for all fiscal decisions.
A worker on a roof full of solar panels.

Supporting businesses and jobs

To grow the economy, we need a strong partnership with businesses. When we work with business, it creates opportunities for investment, growth and employment, which benefits us all.

Our Fair Deal will:

✅ Reform business rates to support our high streets, boost British manufacturers and close the gap with online tech giants, while creating good local jobs.

✅ Develop an industrial strategy that encourages businesses to invest in clean technologies, building a green economy.

✅ Introduce a duty of care for the environment and human rights in business operations and supply chains.

✅ Reduce trade barriers and strengthen relationships with trading partners - we will fix the broken relationship with Europe and ensure Parliament is consulted on, and signs off on, negotiating mandates and trade agreements.

✅ Address labour shortages that are another outcome of the Conservatives’ botched deal with Europe by boosting skills and apprenticeships, and agreeing reciprocal fast-tracked work visas in key economic sectors.

✅ Support science, research and innovation, especially among small businesses and startups, in areas like zero-carbon, environmental, and medical technologies.

✅ Combat the productivity crisis through incentives for businesses to invest in training, digital technologies, and energy efficiency.

We are committed to helping everyone reach their full potential - that’s why we’ll support people throughout their careers and why jobs must adapt to their workers’ lifestyles, rather than the reverse.

We will:

✅ Boost productivity and encourage people to enter the job market by making flexible working open to all, unless a significant business reason makes it unworkable.

✅ Address skills and recruitment challenges by investing in education, increasing apprenticeships, and providing career guidance for young people.

That’s the fair deal for the economy and workers that we’ll be fighting for at the General Election.

Best wishes,

Liberal Democrats


Feck1n Commies
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 11:56 - Feb 2 with 1485 viewsDJR

It's official.

"In his Sky News interview this morning Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, confirmed the party has ditched its commitment to spend £28bn a year on green investment schemes if it wins this year’s election."

This is the Greens' co-leader's view on this.

"Just as the president of the British Chambers of Commerce calls on the next government to make the transition to a green economy its number one priority, Labour decides to shred their £28bn green investment plan. This is a massive backward step – for the climate, for the economy and for jobs.

This U-turn will push businesses into taking their investment elsewhere – especially to the EU and US where green investment plans are being rolled out – and threatens thousands of potential exciting new job opportunities. The UK’s future prosperity is dependent on greening our economy and that requires large scale investment.

While the Tories have broken Britain and left the country’s finances in a dire state, Labour can choose whether or not to have this “fiscal inheritance” as a millstone around their neck …

Investing in this secure future is a political choice. By ditching its green investment plan, and making a series of other U-turns, Labour has clearly signalled that it is turning its back on a fairer, greener future. It is clear we are going to need a group of Green MPs in parliament after the next election pushing whoever forms the next government to do the right thing."

The interesting thing is that when in the past I have questioned the lack of different or distinct Labour policies from those of the Tories, some people on here have pointed to the £28 billion green investment plan. But with that in tatters, what is there to point to, apart from more of the same from nicer people?
[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 11:57]
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:09 - Feb 2 with 1473 viewsparhamblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 10:26 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Whilst a bit ‘woolly’ and lacking any detail, it is at least more interesting than anything Labour are serving up at the moment. I think the problem for me is they are spending all their effort in telling us what they WONT do rather than what they WILL do.

I’ve no doubt this is largely driven by Corbyn’s constant own goals in the media, but at some point they’ll have to give us a manifesto…


There's more detail in the policy papers, which can all be accessed online. True, there are restrictions especially the commitment not to increase the deficit, but in effect increase the tax take. Note the public investment to improve productivity.
My beef is hardly any UK politician is talking about 're-shoring' - they should start by bringing back manufacturing of stuff required for the security and wellbeing of the country, the pandemic being a good starting point. But that alone should speak to the need to build back up the UK's publicly owned science base. I worked for BPL in Elstree for a while, it got sold off (by Dan Poulter) to Bain Capital who sold it on to a Chinese capital fund, without (I don't think) any safeguards to prioritise supply of blood products to the UK at times of national emergency.
[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 12:16]
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:15 - Feb 2 with 1460 viewsleitrimblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 11:56 - Feb 2 by DJR

It's official.

"In his Sky News interview this morning Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, confirmed the party has ditched its commitment to spend £28bn a year on green investment schemes if it wins this year’s election."

This is the Greens' co-leader's view on this.

"Just as the president of the British Chambers of Commerce calls on the next government to make the transition to a green economy its number one priority, Labour decides to shred their £28bn green investment plan. This is a massive backward step – for the climate, for the economy and for jobs.

This U-turn will push businesses into taking their investment elsewhere – especially to the EU and US where green investment plans are being rolled out – and threatens thousands of potential exciting new job opportunities. The UK’s future prosperity is dependent on greening our economy and that requires large scale investment.

While the Tories have broken Britain and left the country’s finances in a dire state, Labour can choose whether or not to have this “fiscal inheritance” as a millstone around their neck …

Investing in this secure future is a political choice. By ditching its green investment plan, and making a series of other U-turns, Labour has clearly signalled that it is turning its back on a fairer, greener future. It is clear we are going to need a group of Green MPs in parliament after the next election pushing whoever forms the next government to do the right thing."

The interesting thing is that when in the past I have questioned the lack of different or distinct Labour policies from those of the Tories, some people on here have pointed to the £28 billion green investment plan. But with that in tatters, what is there to point to, apart from more of the same from nicer people?
[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 11:57]


I can't be the only person that imagines that Labour will win the next election ( Mainly cause the Tories are absolutely shocking). But they will be so poor in government due to them standing for nothing less then being not quite as useless and corrupt as the current Torie government.

Then at the following election all the Torie voters presently pretending they are Labour ( and that the current crock of sh1te is nothing to do with them) will go back to voting Torie again.
Half of Labour's traditional voters will abandon them due to their turn to the right and failure to stand up for their traditional support base.
Leaving Labour to reinvent itself again(feck knows as what)
while spending another few years in the doldrums and allowing the Tories to run the UK in to the ground for another few years.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:50 - Feb 2 with 1419 viewsPinewoodblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:15 - Feb 2 by leitrimblue

I can't be the only person that imagines that Labour will win the next election ( Mainly cause the Tories are absolutely shocking). But they will be so poor in government due to them standing for nothing less then being not quite as useless and corrupt as the current Torie government.

Then at the following election all the Torie voters presently pretending they are Labour ( and that the current crock of sh1te is nothing to do with them) will go back to voting Torie again.
Half of Labour's traditional voters will abandon them due to their turn to the right and failure to stand up for their traditional support base.
Leaving Labour to reinvent itself again(feck knows as what)
while spending another few years in the doldrums and allowing the Tories to run the UK in to the ground for another few years.


You got that right, so much for rosey future.

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:00 - Feb 2 with 1402 viewsleitrimblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:50 - Feb 2 by Pinewoodblue

You got that right, so much for rosey future.


Feck Pinewood, was hoping someone would tell me I was just being pessimistic and that the second Labour got in they would instantly find a backbone and actually start standing for something.
Think I may need a liquid lunch now...
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 1373 viewsDJR

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 12:15 - Feb 2 by leitrimblue

I can't be the only person that imagines that Labour will win the next election ( Mainly cause the Tories are absolutely shocking). But they will be so poor in government due to them standing for nothing less then being not quite as useless and corrupt as the current Torie government.

Then at the following election all the Torie voters presently pretending they are Labour ( and that the current crock of sh1te is nothing to do with them) will go back to voting Torie again.
Half of Labour's traditional voters will abandon them due to their turn to the right and failure to stand up for their traditional support base.
Leaving Labour to reinvent itself again(feck knows as what)
while spending another few years in the doldrums and allowing the Tories to run the UK in to the ground for another few years.


That's my view, and has been for a long time.

If you can't set the agenda when Labour are so far ahead in the polls, and rather than lead you follow focus groups, it augurs badly for being in government when (as will inevitably be the case) you encounter choppy waters.

And even as committed a Blairite as John McTernan (Blair's political secretary in No.10) is not happy.

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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:32 - Feb 2 with 1356 viewsleitrimblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:20 - Feb 2 by DJR

That's my view, and has been for a long time.

If you can't set the agenda when Labour are so far ahead in the polls, and rather than lead you follow focus groups, it augurs badly for being in government when (as will inevitably be the case) you encounter choppy waters.

And even as committed a Blairite as John McTernan (Blair's political secretary in No.10) is not happy.

[Post edited 2 Feb 2024 17:07]


I think your 2nd paragraph really hits the spot. If Labour aren't prepared to set out an agenda and clearly stand for something other then being slightly less poor then the current lot at the moment when the Tories are so poor then you cant imagine they ever will.
Let's face it you would have to be some kinda a slack jawed sociopath to have watched the Tories over the last few years and think I know what I want, another 5 years of this.

Labour have a free hit and have completely wasted it by becoming Torie lite. Sad shame really
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 16:28 - Feb 2 with 1306 viewsparhamblue

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 13:32 - Feb 2 by leitrimblue

I think your 2nd paragraph really hits the spot. If Labour aren't prepared to set out an agenda and clearly stand for something other then being slightly less poor then the current lot at the moment when the Tories are so poor then you cant imagine they ever will.
Let's face it you would have to be some kinda a slack jawed sociopath to have watched the Tories over the last few years and think I know what I want, another 5 years of this.

Labour have a free hit and have completely wasted it by becoming Torie lite. Sad shame really


I'm afraid that they ducked the fundamental reforms the country needs from 1997-2010 when they had big majorities. You know, a bill of rights at the core of a written constitution that actually confirms the country belongs to its people, proportional representation, a regulated Press, an independent state prosecutor. A normal functioning democracy in other words. Super revolutionary stuff, the great unwashed getting their country to run instead of some pompous entitled 'top people' and now the klelptocratic, utterly unscrupulous mavericks. I don't understand the Labour movement but why the Blairite wing have to suck up to the City each time is beyond me. Murdoch maybe more understandable but a matter of courage. Just like Blair and Brown in opposition, so Starmer and Reeves have gone out of their way to acquire a whole raft of special interests beyond their union base.
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Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 16:31 - Feb 2 with 1296 viewsredrickstuhaart

Labour ‘flat-lining’ in latest You Gov poll 😉 on 16:28 - Feb 2 by parhamblue

I'm afraid that they ducked the fundamental reforms the country needs from 1997-2010 when they had big majorities. You know, a bill of rights at the core of a written constitution that actually confirms the country belongs to its people, proportional representation, a regulated Press, an independent state prosecutor. A normal functioning democracy in other words. Super revolutionary stuff, the great unwashed getting their country to run instead of some pompous entitled 'top people' and now the klelptocratic, utterly unscrupulous mavericks. I don't understand the Labour movement but why the Blairite wing have to suck up to the City each time is beyond me. Murdoch maybe more understandable but a matter of courage. Just like Blair and Brown in opposition, so Starmer and Reeves have gone out of their way to acquire a whole raft of special interests beyond their union base.


Most of that is nonsense.

An "independent state prosecutor"? Do you mean the CPS and DPP?

We have press regulation. We have a constitution. None of these things are fundamental problems for hte country at the moment.

Id go with PR, on balance, but thats a referendum job and would not have got through.
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