| 39% turn out. on 13:30 - Mar 1 with 1700 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 11:58 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yeah he was another one gullible enough to think Farage and JRM would bring a glorious socialist LEXIT.
Fortunately now Brexit has been implemented we are all enjoying a union led labour market with huge, above inflation pay rises…. |
Yet another thing from you that never happened.
What is it you disagree with in his analysis of what is happening? |  |
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| 39% turn out. on 13:52 - Mar 1 with 1648 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 39% turn out. on 13:30 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yet another thing from you that never happened.
What is it you disagree with in his analysis of what is happening? |
You never voted for Brexit - in that case apologies.
All of it - he’s not qualified to make that statement. He hasn’t shown provided any economic papers which demonstrate migration is detrimental to wages. In fact most of Western Europe and the US have outpaced the UK’s real terms wage growth with higher per capita migration. Perhaps he can explain why real wage growth in Japan with virtually no net migration per capita has lagged well behind the US, UK, and Europe. He won’t be able to provide any empirical evidence because he’s just another Farage style populist with nothing to offer. |  | | |
| 39% turn out. on 13:54 - Mar 1 with 1636 views | Clapham_Junction |
| 39% turn out. on 10:11 - Mar 1 by Cheltenham_Blue |
We already have a none of the above option.
Draw a big cock on your paper, or a shi^^ing arse.
Its called spoiling your paper and the number of spoilt papers has to be recorded by law.
I don't get what difference a little box will make. |
The idea of NOTA, is that if that option wins, the election has to be re-run (and should be with different candidates). |  | | |
| 39% turn out. on 14:30 - Mar 1 with 1594 views | DJR |
| 39% turn out. on 09:57 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In Iran the elections are widely regarded as not free, or fair so it’s hardly surprising they don’t turn out.
As for Galloway; “I don’t like Labour’s stance on the massacre in Gaza, so I’m going to vote for a racist who shilled for Assad whilst he was gassing Muslim civilians “. |
Surprising to note, according to Wikipedia, that Peter Ford, British ambassador to Syria from 2003 to 2006, is one of the deputy leaders of Galloway's Workers Party of Great Britain. |  | | |
| 39% turn out. on 15:28 - Mar 1 with 1561 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 13:52 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You never voted for Brexit - in that case apologies.
All of it - he’s not qualified to make that statement. He hasn’t shown provided any economic papers which demonstrate migration is detrimental to wages. In fact most of Western Europe and the US have outpaced the UK’s real terms wage growth with higher per capita migration. Perhaps he can explain why real wage growth in Japan with virtually no net migration per capita has lagged well behind the US, UK, and Europe. He won’t be able to provide any empirical evidence because he’s just another Farage style populist with nothing to offer. |
Nobody expected Farage to implement Lexit but you know that. But why would anyone on the left vote for an institution of neo liberalism/globalism that's the real question? I guess it's the same logic that gives misplaced faith in the likes of Starmer, Reeves, Streeting and co.
Yeah clearly there is absolutely no way that a limitless pool of global cheap labour would suppress wages, prevent governments from investing in the training of key personnel like carers, nurses and trades or deprive poorer nations of skilled people......no way, no how, it just wouldn't make sense! | |
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| 39% turn out. on 15:35 - Mar 1 with 1552 views | Blueschev |
| 39% turn out. on 15:28 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nobody expected Farage to implement Lexit but you know that. But why would anyone on the left vote for an institution of neo liberalism/globalism that's the real question? I guess it's the same logic that gives misplaced faith in the likes of Starmer, Reeves, Streeting and co.
Yeah clearly there is absolutely no way that a limitless pool of global cheap labour would suppress wages, prevent governments from investing in the training of key personnel like carers, nurses and trades or deprive poorer nations of skilled people......no way, no how, it just wouldn't make sense! |
I'm no fan of the EU, but what was on offer from the leave campaign was clearly much worse than staying in. Also as an internationalist I'd much rather the transition from capitalism occurred across 28 nations than in one singular state. |  | | |
| 39% turn out. on 15:42 - Mar 1 with 1534 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 15:35 - Mar 1 by Blueschev |
I'm no fan of the EU, but what was on offer from the leave campaign was clearly much worse than staying in. Also as an internationalist I'd much rather the transition from capitalism occurred across 28 nations than in one singular state. |
Fair comments but nothing to do with suppression of wages etc as per the Galloway tweet that started this particular line of discussion. | |
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| 39% turn out. on 15:50 - Mar 1 with 1520 views | chicoazul |
| 39% turn out. on 10:03 - Mar 1 by Blueschev |
I'd quite happily see voting made compulsory, provided there was a none of the above option. It would lead to further engagement and therefore better candidates. |
A truly terrible idea that would have precisely the opposite effect. |  |
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| 39% turn out. on 15:50 - Mar 1 with 1519 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 39% turn out. on 15:28 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nobody expected Farage to implement Lexit but you know that. But why would anyone on the left vote for an institution of neo liberalism/globalism that's the real question? I guess it's the same logic that gives misplaced faith in the likes of Starmer, Reeves, Streeting and co.
Yeah clearly there is absolutely no way that a limitless pool of global cheap labour would suppress wages, prevent governments from investing in the training of key personnel like carers, nurses and trades or deprive poorer nations of skilled people......no way, no how, it just wouldn't make sense! |
You are delusional- the EU has some of the best living standards and workers rights in the world. Where are all these countries you are seeing that are thriving outside of the global economy. Show me some examples of where people are enjoying better living standards and worker protections outside of the ‘neo-liberal’ EU. Most sensible nations have aspirations of joining the EU, thanks to the EU the Baltics and Eastern European countries have transitioned from the poverty and authoritarianism of communism to western living standards. Slovenian’s are now richer than the Spanish, Poland will overtake Italy, France and the UK by 2030. I did my dissertation on EU enlargement, it is ridiculous how we’ve hamstrung ourselves as a nation.
That our government chooses not to invest in training our own health workers is entirely on them. How did you imagine leaving the EU would somehow fix that rather than seeing our immigration more from Europe to the developing world. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 15:54 - Mar 1 with 1494 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 15:50 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You are delusional- the EU has some of the best living standards and workers rights in the world. Where are all these countries you are seeing that are thriving outside of the global economy. Show me some examples of where people are enjoying better living standards and worker protections outside of the ‘neo-liberal’ EU. Most sensible nations have aspirations of joining the EU, thanks to the EU the Baltics and Eastern European countries have transitioned from the poverty and authoritarianism of communism to western living standards. Slovenian’s are now richer than the Spanish, Poland will overtake Italy, France and the UK by 2030. I did my dissertation on EU enlargement, it is ridiculous how we’ve hamstrung ourselves as a nation.
That our government chooses not to invest in training our own health workers is entirely on them. How did you imagine leaving the EU would somehow fix that rather than seeing our immigration more from Europe to the developing world. |
Ooooh the scraping sound of shifting goalposts!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/20/we-need-honesty-on-the-pitfalls
Edit....I mean what would these people know, they haven't even done a dissertation on the subject! [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 15:58]
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| 39% turn out. on 16:08 - Mar 1 with 1474 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Painful. I’ve already provided metrics to prove why you and he are both wrong (which you of course ignored). He’s thick as mince, and looking to appeal to the lowest common denominator. We’ll leave it there since you clearly have nothing but rhetoric. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 16:08 - Mar 1 with 1474 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| 39% turn out. on 14:30 - Mar 1 by DJR |
Surprising to note, according to Wikipedia, that Peter Ford, British ambassador to Syria from 2003 to 2006, is one of the deputy leaders of Galloway's Workers Party of Great Britain. |
He was obviously at the Ferrero Rocher end of the Ambassador spectrum. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 16:12 - Mar 1 with 1471 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Great you found some letters some people wrote to a newspaper…is that the sound of a barrel scraping?
I’m glad they’ve demonstrated how EU membership was driving down wages, and now that we are free of those horrible neo-liberals we are seeing wages rise well above our peers in the EEA. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 16:18 - Mar 1 with 1461 views | Blueschev |
| 39% turn out. on 15:42 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fair comments but nothing to do with suppression of wages etc as per the Galloway tweet that started this particular line of discussion. |
Immigrants don't push down wages, greedy companies facilitated by corrupt governments do. They'd exploit their workforce and get away with even if the borders were closed. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 16:19]
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| 39% turn out. on 17:07 - Mar 1 with 1436 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 16:08 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Painful. I’ve already provided metrics to prove why you and he are both wrong (which you of course ignored). He’s thick as mince, and looking to appeal to the lowest common denominator. We’ll leave it there since you clearly have nothing but rhetoric. |
I'm pretty sure that all you did was point out that Polish and Slovenian trades undercutting Spanish, Italian and French ones and then sending the money East has made the latter less financially secure. Pretty much what certain people on this forum in the trades have documented happening too. But I guess they and all those I know who have witnessed it happening must be wrong too.
Edit....oh and Galloway's tweet doesn’t mention the EU. I would imagine he might well be thinking more of economic migrants from further away. (He is still an arse though.)
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| 39% turn out. on 17:21 - Mar 1 with 1429 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 39% turn out. on 17:07 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'm pretty sure that all you did was point out that Polish and Slovenian trades undercutting Spanish, Italian and French ones and then sending the money East has made the latter less financially secure. Pretty much what certain people on this forum in the trades have documented happening too. But I guess they and all those I know who have witnessed it happening must be wrong too.
Edit....oh and Galloway's tweet doesn’t mention the EU. I would imagine he might well be thinking more of economic migrants from further away. (He is still an arse though.)
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But those countries in Western Europe have seen better real terms wage growth than the UK - so clearly free movement of labour is not the cause. Why are workers in Japan seeing even weaker wage growth than the Uk despite almost no migration. So your claim that migration is suppressing wages doesn’t hold up. The answer therefore is more complex than populists like Galloway make out. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 17:39 - Mar 1 with 1407 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 39% turn out. on 17:21 - Mar 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But those countries in Western Europe have seen better real terms wage growth than the UK - so clearly free movement of labour is not the cause. Why are workers in Japan seeing even weaker wage growth than the Uk despite almost no migration. So your claim that migration is suppressing wages doesn’t hold up. The answer therefore is more complex than populists like Galloway make out. |
I'm struggling to see why you have sought to make this a conversation about a right wing enactment of Brexit via a passing mention of Lexit which Galloway's tweet does not mention. | |
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| 39% turn out. on 21:44 - Mar 1 with 1340 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 39% turn out. on 17:39 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'm struggling to see why you have sought to make this a conversation about a right wing enactment of Brexit via a passing mention of Lexit which Galloway's tweet does not mention. |
Because Galloway was a Brexiteer, as per the tweet shared on this thread ‘suppression of wages’ was one of his justifications. If he thought UK wages would rise by putting up trade barriers with our largest trading partners (whether a left wing, right wing, or centrist Brexit) he’s clearly deluded. | | | |
| 39% turn out. on 21:56 - Mar 1 with 1324 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 39% turn out. on 10:49 - Mar 1 by Cotty |
The GE turnout will be far higher. I think I would've stayed at home if I lived in Rochdale. |
Surely there must be someone on the ballot paper who represented something decent even if they were not 100% aligned to everything you believe. It should have been the perfect opportunity to increase the vote share for minority parties.
I don't know much about the candidate who came 2nd but he stood as a genuine independent by the looks. https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/elections/election-pitch/1743/dav |  |
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