| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) 14:35 - Jun 3 with 10216 views | itfcjoe |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:37 - Jun 4 with 1535 views | Blueschev |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:16 - Jun 4 by Zapers |
And 2029 is likely that he will become a serious contender. Underestimate him at ones peril. |
As much as I wouldn't underestimate him, it's important not to overestimate him either. Bluster aside there is zero substance to anything he says. He has no clue about trade, or how borders work, or the immigration system, or barber shops, or any of the other nonsense he claims to have all of the answers for. |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:38 - Jun 4 with 1523 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:19 - Jun 4 by Zapers |
Interesting that you find him charmless. If that is the case, how would you describe Starmer? |
lawyerly. much much better than charm. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:39 - Jun 4 with 1509 views | Zapers |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:38 - Jun 4 by lowhouseblue |
lawyerly. much much better than charm. |
Fair enough! |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:44 - Jun 4 with 1464 views | DJR |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:19 - Jun 4 by Zapers |
Interesting that you find him charmless. If that is the case, how would you describe Starmer? |
I think sober in the following sense of the word best describes him.
"serious, sensible, and solemn"
It may well be down in part to his legal/civil service background because there are flamboyant lawyers.
I might add that I do think that Johnson had charm, although it was never a charm I fell for, even when (as mayor of London) many centrist Labour folks looked favourably on him [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 13:53]
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:51 - Jun 4 with 1417 views | DJR |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:16 - Jun 4 by Zapers |
And 2029 is likely that he will become a serious contender. Underestimate him at ones peril. |
I suppose there is a remote scenario in which he ends up leader of the Tory Party much sooner than that.
He is elected as a Reform MP, Reform run the Tories close in terms of the vote or even beat the Tories, there is chaos in the Tory ranks, he switches sides to the Tories (perhaps as a type of peace offering) before any leadership election, he gets on the ballot paper on the strength of the ERG (some of them have said they would like him in the Tory Party), and wins the vote of the members (many of whom these days are former UKIP members).
Maybe this is too far fetched, and would depend on the make-up of the Parliamentary party after the election. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 14:02]
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:28 - Jun 4 with 1292 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 10:47 - Jun 4 by vilanovablue |
The largest party in the Netherlands currently is an extreme right-wing populist party. |
True, but the original claim was that small extreme parties hold the balance of power. |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:58 - Jun 4 with 1261 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:28 - Jun 4 by Clapham_Junction |
True, but the original claim was that small extreme parties hold the balance of power. |
Initially, small, extremist parties get a valuable foothold whereby they can have an undue influence on policy. Then, they can become ore powerful e.g. Hitler's National Socialists gained power, despite never winning more than 37% of the popular vote. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:13 - Jun 4 with 1213 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:58 - Jun 4 by Radlett_blue |
Initially, small, extremist parties get a valuable foothold whereby they can have an undue influence on policy. Then, they can become ore powerful e.g. Hitler's National Socialists gained power, despite never winning more than 37% of the popular vote. |
I don't really see that being an issue specific to PR. UKIP/Reform have had an undue influence on policy despite never having had more than one or two MPs - as we saw in 2015 with Cameron promising the referendum, under FPTP parties will pander to more extreme parties to avoid losing votes to them.
Also worth noting that Labour won a majority in the 2005 general election with 35% of the vote. | | | |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:36 - Jun 4 with 1167 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:13 - Jun 4 by Clapham_Junction |
I don't really see that being an issue specific to PR. UKIP/Reform have had an undue influence on policy despite never having had more than one or two MPs - as we saw in 2015 with Cameron promising the referendum, under FPTP parties will pander to more extreme parties to avoid losing votes to them.
Also worth noting that Labour won a majority in the 2005 general election with 35% of the vote. |
It's not specific to PR e.g. the Social Democratic party had a huge impact on politics when they split from Labour. However, PR makes the rise of small (usually extremist) parties much more likely. | |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:59 - Jun 4 with 1127 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 13:51 - Jun 4 by DJR |
I suppose there is a remote scenario in which he ends up leader of the Tory Party much sooner than that.
He is elected as a Reform MP, Reform run the Tories close in terms of the vote or even beat the Tories, there is chaos in the Tory ranks, he switches sides to the Tories (perhaps as a type of peace offering) before any leadership election, he gets on the ballot paper on the strength of the ERG (some of them have said they would like him in the Tory Party), and wins the vote of the members (many of whom these days are former UKIP members).
Maybe this is too far fetched, and would depend on the make-up of the Parliamentary party after the election. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 14:02]
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The second part isn’t far fetched, sort of how Corbyn became leader. On the ballot to keep the far left onboard. |  |
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