| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) 14:35 - Jun 3 with 10218 views | itfcjoe |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:42 - Jun 3 with 2314 views | DanTheMan |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:37 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
But Labour isn't the natural home for one nation Tories. I'm lending them my vote this time around but my natural home would be a centre right party. One doesn't exist at the moment. |
We need some form of proportional representation. So many infighting issues could be solved by just having smaller parties who may have to work together in coalitions.
Not a silver bullet, but I do think it'd be better than the current system. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:48 - Jun 3 with 2273 views | EdwardStone |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:42 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
We need some form of proportional representation. So many infighting issues could be solved by just having smaller parties who may have to work together in coalitions.
Not a silver bullet, but I do think it'd be better than the current system. |
Although I despise the fella, Proportional Representation is one of the campaign aims of Farage
That and being horrible to foreigners |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:51 - Jun 3 with 2255 views | peterleeblue |
Ironic that the Racist vote "got Brexit done" for the shallow minority element of the Tory Party. And now the Racist Party will probably destroy them. Be careful what you wish for. Karma of the highest order!! |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:54 - Jun 3 with 2245 views | BlueBadger |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:37 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
But Labour isn't the natural home for one nation Tories. I'm lending them my vote this time around but my natural home would be a centre right party. One doesn't exist at the moment. |
It does. It's the people who you're planning on voting for.... |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:57 - Jun 3 with 2219 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:42 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
We need some form of proportional representation. So many infighting issues could be solved by just having smaller parties who may have to work together in coalitions.
Not a silver bullet, but I do think it'd be better than the current system. |
Agreed. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:59 - Jun 3 with 2208 views | Reus30 |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:30 - Jun 3 by DJR |
In some ways, it's tactically brilliant, and the way things are going, one could see the One Nation Tories (mainly Remainers) going off to Labour, with the Tory Party effectively UKIP, or Reform taking on the Tory leavers, and the Tory Party withering on the vine.
The starting point is to get more votes than the Tories, and there must be a pretty good chance of that with Farage at the helm, and many traditional Tory voters voting Labour. [Post edited 3 Jun 2024 16:32]
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Scary thought that we maybe veering into the possibly realms of the far right taking over as opposition. I know that there was a spell around Europe of far right politicians getting into power but I didn't think it would happen here.
He seems to have found a space to squeeze into but only because the Tories absolutely pooped the bed. It does make this election more spicy but I hope it just goes tits up for them.
Just googled my Reform candidate in my area ..... I wish I hadn't as I just vomited over my desk. He looks a bit of a kiddy fiddler but I bet people round my way still vote for him. |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:03 - Jun 3 with 2186 views | Oldsmoker |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:08 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
If he is front and centre of the Reform campaign then the Tories are heading for extinction. Tahen expect a reverse takeover by Reform of the Tories.
Sad days. |
Thanks for watching the declaration on TWTD behalf.
I know many of us couldn't steal ourselves to witness the cad spewing racism.
He's like a vulture circling till it's time to swoop and pick on a dead corpse.
8th attempt maybe the charm for Fartage. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:10 - Jun 3 with 2151 views | Bluesky |
Can be a very cold place to stand |  | | |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:11 - Jun 3 with 2147 views | factual_blue |
The Home Of Wrong 'Uns. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:16 - Jun 3 with 2137 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:42 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
We need some form of proportional representation. So many infighting issues could be solved by just having smaller parties who may have to work together in coalitions.
Not a silver bullet, but I do think it'd be better than the current system. |
We certainly need a change but not simple proportional representation.
Take Netherlands as an example
Parliamentary Parties
Party for Freedom
Green Left-Labour Party
People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy
Nieuw Sociaal Contract
Democrats 66
Farmer–Citizen Movement
Christian Democratic Appeal
Socialist Party
DENK
Party for the Animals
Forum for Democracy
Calvinist Political Party
Christian Union
Volt
If power rests anywhere it is with minority extreme parties.
Either a mix of FPTP & PR or single transferable vote where you need 50%+ 1 of the votes to win. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:32 - Jun 3 with 2088 views | Trequartista |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:42 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
We need some form of proportional representation. So many infighting issues could be solved by just having smaller parties who may have to work together in coalitions.
Not a silver bullet, but I do think it'd be better than the current system. |
On balance I am in favour of PR, but in light of the disdain for Reform in this thread, wouldn't this give us about 65 Reform MPs? |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:51 - Jun 3 with 2031 views | EdwardStone |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:32 - Jun 3 by Trequartista |
On balance I am in favour of PR, but in light of the disdain for Reform in this thread, wouldn't this give us about 65 Reform MPs? |
That is indeed the problem with PR
All kinds of weirdos and ne'er do wells are let into Parliament
Not like the fine upstanding folks we have had representing us in the past few years | | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:55 - Jun 3 with 2003 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:16 - Jun 3 by Pinewoodblue |
We certainly need a change but not simple proportional representation.
Take Netherlands as an example
Parliamentary Parties
Party for Freedom
Green Left-Labour Party
People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy
Nieuw Sociaal Contract
Democrats 66
Farmer–Citizen Movement
Christian Democratic Appeal
Socialist Party
DENK
Party for the Animals
Forum for Democracy
Calvinist Political Party
Christian Union
Volt
If power rests anywhere it is with minority extreme parties.
Either a mix of FPTP & PR or single transferable vote where you need 50%+ 1 of the votes to win. |
Not correct to say that "power rests anywhere it is with minority extreme parties". The current Dutch government coalition is made up of four of the six of the largest parties. The previous two consisted of three of the four largest parties and one of the smaller centrist parties, and the one before that was the two largest parties governing together. The small, extremist parties almost never get involved in Dutch governments. |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:00 - Jun 3 with 1981 views | Radlett_blue |
If Farage goes canvassing in Frinton, he will struggle to find the obligatory pub for him to stand outside, holding a pint of English ale. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:10 - Jun 3 with 1949 views | bluelagos |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:00 - Jun 3 by Radlett_blue |
If Farage goes canvassing in Frinton, he will struggle to find the obligatory pub for him to stand outside, holding a pint of English ale. |
Lock and Barrel has been open a few years. There's even a Greggs and a Poundstretcher now. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:11 - Jun 3 with 1949 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:08 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
If he is front and centre of the Reform campaign then the Tories are heading for extinction. Tahen expect a reverse takeover by Reform of the Tories.
Sad days. |
The Tories shot themselves in the foot by putting ERG views front and centre and courting UKIPpers at 2019 especially. Now they're ripe for defections and only have themselves to blame.
Cameron started the rot imo. We (and the Tory Party) needed stronger leadership coming off the back of the 2008 financial crisis. Cameron was far too weak and gave way to the ERGers, started undermining our influence in the EU even before a referendum was mooted. That then laid the foundation for everything that followed and hastened the exit of more traditional one Nation Tories and ultimately led to the likes of Braverman being able to have openly xenophobic and islamophobic views/policies. That's my view on it anyway, for what it's worth.
It is indeed sad. We need grown up politics, not people like Lee Anderson, Tom Hunt and Jonathan Gullis in the system (whatever party we're talking about). |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:35 - Jun 3 with 1892 views | DanTheMan |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:32 - Jun 3 by Trequartista |
On balance I am in favour of PR, but in light of the disdain for Reform in this thread, wouldn't this give us about 65 Reform MPs? |
Yes. And whilst I dislike them, if people vote for them, they deserve that many MPs.
There is an argument that it allows more extreme parties to gain traction but you can sometimes see that when they get in people realise the grass isn't always greener. | |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:45 - Jun 3 with 1864 views | EdwardStone |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:35 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
Yes. And whilst I dislike them, if people vote for them, they deserve that many MPs.
There is an argument that it allows more extreme parties to gain traction but you can sometimes see that when they get in people realise the grass isn't always greener. |
Didn't BNP win 12 or 14 councillors in Dagenham some years ago?
And when the voters saw the calibre of the elected members they were never ever re-elected
Sometimes a bit of sunlight kills disease and germs | | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:54 - Jun 3 with 1832 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:16 - Jun 3 by Pinewoodblue |
We certainly need a change but not simple proportional representation.
Take Netherlands as an example
Parliamentary Parties
Party for Freedom
Green Left-Labour Party
People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy
Nieuw Sociaal Contract
Democrats 66
Farmer–Citizen Movement
Christian Democratic Appeal
Socialist Party
DENK
Party for the Animals
Forum for Democracy
Calvinist Political Party
Christian Union
Volt
If power rests anywhere it is with minority extreme parties.
Either a mix of FPTP & PR or single transferable vote where you need 50%+ 1 of the votes to win. |
15 parties. A bit extreme.
We, of course, are far more restrained and have a mere 13 different parties currently represented in the HoC. |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:59 - Jun 3 with 1810 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:35 - Jun 3 by DanTheMan |
Yes. And whilst I dislike them, if people vote for them, they deserve that many MPs.
There is an argument that it allows more extreme parties to gain traction but you can sometimes see that when they get in people realise the grass isn't always greener. |
This is what happened in Wales - UKIP won seven (of 60) seats in 2016 (beating the Lib Dems), and then turned out to be an absolute shambles and lost them all in 2021. | | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 19:05 - Jun 3 with 1780 views | WD19 |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:37 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
But Labour isn't the natural home for one nation Tories. I'm lending them my vote this time around but my natural home would be a centre right party. One doesn't exist at the moment. |
Somebody needs to break this news to Kier Starmer. |  | | |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 20:45 - Jun 3 with 1712 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 18:11 - Jun 3 by Swansea_Blue |
The Tories shot themselves in the foot by putting ERG views front and centre and courting UKIPpers at 2019 especially. Now they're ripe for defections and only have themselves to blame.
Cameron started the rot imo. We (and the Tory Party) needed stronger leadership coming off the back of the 2008 financial crisis. Cameron was far too weak and gave way to the ERGers, started undermining our influence in the EU even before a referendum was mooted. That then laid the foundation for everything that followed and hastened the exit of more traditional one Nation Tories and ultimately led to the likes of Braverman being able to have openly xenophobic and islamophobic views/policies. That's my view on it anyway, for what it's worth.
It is indeed sad. We need grown up politics, not people like Lee Anderson, Tom Hunt and Jonathan Gullis in the system (whatever party we're talking about). |
Their big problem is that membership has shrunk to 172,000 (even Labour has 432,000) & naturally this is biased towards the old fashioned, Daily Express/Daily Mail type of supporter. So, unfortunately, the leaders need to appeal to that type, hence some of the prehistoric policies. After a crushing defeat at this election, it's odds on Sunak resigns & a right wing leader follows, condemning them to umpteen years in opposition. | |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 20:54 - Jun 3 with 1665 views | J2BLUE |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 17:32 - Jun 3 by Trequartista |
On balance I am in favour of PR, but in light of the disdain for Reform in this thread, wouldn't this give us about 65 Reform MPs? |
Why shouldn't their voters have representation though if that is who people are voting for? |  |
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 20:56 - Jun 3 with 1659 views | DJR |
| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 16:37 - Jun 3 by GlasgowBlue |
But Labour isn't the natural home for one nation Tories. I'm lending them my vote this time around but my natural home would be a centre right party. One doesn't exist at the moment. |
It certainly hasn't been up to now, but with Labour moving to the right, and the probability of the Tories being led by someone like Badenoch or even Farage and moving even more to the right, it is perhaps difficult to see the Tory Party as their natural home.
I suppose it depends how many One Nation Tories survive the election, and how many are prepared to stay and fight, but I certainly tend to think that people like David Gauke and Rory Stewart would feel more a home in the Labour Party than the Tory Party. [Post edited 3 Jun 2024 21:01]
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| Sounds like Nigel Farage will be standing in Clacton (n/t) on 21:00 - Jun 3 with 1627 views | DJR |
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"He's right that the center [sic] or political balance has shifted to the left these last 10 to 15 years." | | | |
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