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The SNP 09:28 - Jul 5 with 2330 viewsChurchman

The GE result is no surprise with one exception for me. Scotland. How come the SNP have taken such a brutal kicking?
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The SNP on 09:31 - Jul 5 with 2297 viewsGeoffSentence

One factor is FPTP again, I think they actually got 30% of the vote in Scotland, just 7% behind labour yet, as you say, they took a kicking.

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The SNP on 09:33 - Jul 5 with 2280 viewsKeno

Glassers will ve able to answer that more fully but I think many Scots feel they have fecked up badly

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The SNP on 09:33 - Jul 5 with 2280 viewsGuthrum

Much the same as the Conservatives in England - scandals, loss of charismatic leaders and having been in power (in the devolved parliament) too long.

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The SNP on 09:38 - Jul 5 with 2249 viewsDJR

John Curtice pointed out this morning that independence still has around 50% support, so it does not appear to be due to that issue.

Before 2015, my uncle used to say that people tended to vote SNP for Scottish elections and Labour for Westminster elections, so maybe in part there is a reversion to this.

But SNP mishaps and the long time they have been in power appear to be a factor. Indeed, John Curtice pointed out that Labour in Wales, the Tories in England and the SNP in Scotland had probably suffered by being the party in power for so long.
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The SNP on 09:39 - Jul 5 with 2242 viewsWeWereZombies

The SNP on 09:33 - Jul 5 by Guthrum

Much the same as the Conservatives in England - scandals, loss of charismatic leaders and having been in power (in the devolved parliament) too long.


And not delivering on promised improvement in healthcare plus other public services. Also finding Nicola doesn't drive was a shock...

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The SNP on 09:41 - Jul 5 with 2218 viewsReus30

Covid for one and killing off all the people in care homes - very frowned upon. (Edit - placing covid positive people into care homes as a strategy I should say)
Secondly, the farcical spending scandal around Sturgeon and her husband.
Thirdly, the previous "leadership" contests since.

People just evidently don't want any dramas.
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The SNP on 09:42 - Jul 5 with 2215 viewsGuthrum

The SNP on 09:38 - Jul 5 by DJR

John Curtice pointed out this morning that independence still has around 50% support, so it does not appear to be due to that issue.

Before 2015, my uncle used to say that people tended to vote SNP for Scottish elections and Labour for Westminster elections, so maybe in part there is a reversion to this.

But SNP mishaps and the long time they have been in power appear to be a factor. Indeed, John Curtice pointed out that Labour in Wales, the Tories in England and the SNP in Scotland had probably suffered by being the party in power for so long.
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Given that independence was the SNP's chief USP, failure to deliver - or even get close to having another referendum - cannot have helped.

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The SNP on 09:46 - Jul 5 with 2159 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Like England, Scotland have rejected incompetent, corrupt, vacuous nationalists for a grown up alternative.
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The SNP on 09:47 - Jul 5 with 2146 viewsDJR

The SNP on 09:46 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Like England, Scotland have rejected incompetent, corrupt, vacuous nationalists for a grown up alternative.


They've also rejected the most progressive mainstream party in the UK but then again SNP members in Westminster can't change the progressive direction of travel nationally.
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The SNP on 09:51 - Jul 5 with 2102 viewsWeWereZombies

The SNP on 09:47 - Jul 5 by DJR

They've also rejected the most progressive mainstream party in the UK but then again SNP members in Westminster can't change the progressive direction of travel nationally.
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You don't think that the Greens are the most progressive mainstream party ? And they rejected the SNP.

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The SNP on 09:54 - Jul 5 with 2081 viewsDJR

The SNP on 09:51 - Jul 5 by WeWereZombies

You don't think that the Greens are the most progressive mainstream party ? And they rejected the SNP.


The Greens are progressive but rather fanciful, and by mainstream party I meant one with a genuine chance of a large number of seats.

As regards the falling out with the SNP, that was down to a miscalculation by Yousaf, and probably was in turn a factor in the SNP's poor performance.
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The SNP on 09:58 - Jul 5 with 2054 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

The SNP on 09:47 - Jul 5 by DJR

They've also rejected the most progressive mainstream party in the UK but then again SNP members in Westminster can't change the progressive direction of travel nationally.
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So not bigoted, just corrupt and incompetent…
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The SNP on 10:00 - Jul 5 with 2033 viewsDJR

The SNP on 09:58 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna

So not bigoted, just corrupt and incompetent…


You forgot vacuous nationalists!
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The SNP on 10:19 - Jul 5 with 1909 viewsBloomBlue

Too long in power (ok I know they arent the Gov in the HoC as such but given the number of MPs they had, indirectly they were acting as the Scottish Gov in the HoC) no party has ever been in power longer than 15 years, the public basically gets fed up and want change.
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The SNP on 10:20 - Jul 5 with 1894 viewsWeWereZombies

The SNP on 09:54 - Jul 5 by DJR

The Greens are progressive but rather fanciful, and by mainstream party I meant one with a genuine chance of a large number of seats.

As regards the falling out with the SNP, that was down to a miscalculation by Yousaf, and probably was in turn a factor in the SNP's poor performance.
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Having the backing of the Green Party made a big difference to the SNP at Holyrood so you have to accept that they have influence.

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The SNP on 10:23 - Jul 5 with 1861 viewsGlasgowBlue

Education
Health
Crime
Highest death rates in UK care homes
Ferry debacle
Corruption
Arrests
3 different leaders in a year
Internal divisions

Pretty much the sames reasons the Tories lost.
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Hey now, hey now, don't dream it's over
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The SNP on 10:25 - Jul 5 with 1841 viewsblueasfook

The SNP on 10:23 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue

Education
Health
Crime
Highest death rates in UK care homes
Ferry debacle
Corruption
Arrests
3 different leaders in a year
Internal divisions

Pretty much the sames reasons the Tories lost.
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I would like to think the Scottish electorate are sick of having #IndyRef2 forced on them as well.

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The SNP on 10:27 - Jul 5 with 1803 viewsHelp

Another party in a mess. Also corrupt and needs to distance itself from its former leaders.

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The SNP on 10:30 - Jul 5 with 1733 viewsDJR

The SNP on 10:20 - Jul 5 by WeWereZombies

Having the backing of the Green Party made a big difference to the SNP at Holyrood so you have to accept that they have influence.


Sorry, I was focusing on the non-Scottish Greens and am not trying to dis the Scottish Greens or the influence they have had on the SNP when in coalition. I was merely expressing the view that the SNP are progressive, and were so before they had to rely on the Scottish Greens.

As it is, the Scottish system is a good one because it seems to ensure greater co-operation and was never designed to have a single party with an absolute majority, as happened once. Don't forget the trans legislation went through with Labour, Lib Dem and Green support as well as the support of some Tories.
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The SNP on 10:38 - Jul 5 with 1675 viewsDJR

The SNP on 10:23 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue

Education
Health
Crime
Highest death rates in UK care homes
Ferry debacle
Corruption
Arrests
3 different leaders in a year
Internal divisions

Pretty much the sames reasons the Tories lost.
[Post edited 5 Jul 2024 10:24]


Crime you say?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqv9vzqvddwo#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20mur
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The SNP on 10:41 - Jul 5 with 1647 viewsRadlett_blue

The SNP on 09:42 - Jul 5 by Guthrum

Given that independence was the SNP's chief USP, failure to deliver - or even get close to having another referendum - cannot have helped.


Given that the SNP are now an irrelevance in Westminster for the next 4-5 years, the bleating for another referendum can be safely ignored.

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The SNP on 11:12 - Jul 5 with 1550 viewsGlasgowBlue

The SNP on 10:41 - Jul 5 by Radlett_blue

Given that the SNP are now an irrelevance in Westminster for the next 4-5 years, the bleating for another referendum can be safely ignored.


The good news for the SNP is that all of their MP's can now fit into Nicola's motor home if the police decide to give it back.

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The SNP on 11:16 - Jul 5 with 1517 viewsKeno

The SNP on 11:12 - Jul 5 by GlasgowBlue

The good news for the SNP is that all of their MP's can now fit into Nicola's motor home if the police decide to give it back.


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