| Muric let down 08:02 - Aug 25 with 7595 views | bsw72 |
Having watched back the game, seems to me the criticism of Muric is a little unfair. He made a clear error with the second goal, no question but made some good saves.
The third and fourth goals were incredibly poor defensively. Long ball over the top caught out the defence and Haaland would have been clean through, Muric may have looked out of position but trying to force a player moving fast out wide is not a particularly poor decision but Haaland execution made it look worse. Fourth goal, Haaland was covered by 3 players, of which two were easily dispossessed and then instead of closing down Haaland, Woolfenden turned his back.
If anything demonstrated why we need O’Shea to partner Greaves it was yesterday’s defensive showing. |  | | |  |
| Muric let down on 08:08 - Aug 25 with 5787 views | FrimleyBlue |
More about the 2nd goal. Its obvious why it happend now.
If you freeze the video. You'll see he's actually looking at the ball as he receives it.. so in that time he's not even aware of the change in direction of the city player. I put that down to confidence. I know last season. There was a goal conceded when his foot went over the ball when he wasn't looking at it.. perhaps this has played on his mind to much.
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| Muric let down on 08:10 - Aug 25 with 5776 views | ibbleobble |
Disagree. He committed way to easily for the third goal and gave Haaland an easy decision to make. |  | | |
| Muric let down on 08:20 - Aug 25 with 5687 views | cressi |
Taylor had two chances to clear and never did. As for the penalty Davis like most players had a awful 20 minutes stupid attempt at a tackle. | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:24 - Aug 25 with 5620 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric let down on 08:20 - Aug 25 by cressi |
Taylor had two chances to clear and never did. As for the penalty Davis like most players had a awful 20 minutes stupid attempt at a tackle. |
Davis is making me nervous. The only position we haven't signed a replacement for.. adapting to the speed of the prem or has he like some others reached his ceiling? | |
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| Muric let down on 08:29 - Aug 25 with 5546 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 08:24 - Aug 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Davis is making me nervous. The only position we haven't signed a replacement for.. adapting to the speed of the prem or has he like some others reached his ceiling? |
I think we need to not overreact to Davis’ first two matches. He has been up against Salah and Savinho and at 24 is still learning. He will learn and come good. [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 8:32]
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| Muric let down on 08:30 - Aug 25 with 5531 views | Asa |
Good post. The reality for me is this.
We had a back five and keeper yesterday that had never played together against one of the greatest club sides ever. Three of those players have recently joined the club.
We conceded a ridiculous penalty when Davis didn't need to dive in and the goalkeeper got caught on the ball. Two gifted goals. That aside City created two of their goals.
We went 75 minutes without conceding away to a team that's won the League every season since we dropped into League One (the one season they didn't they got points that win it every other season).
The third goal involved a passer by the best passer and best eye for a pass the Premier League has ever seen, a run by one of the best forwards at making runs the Premier League has ever seen and was finished off by the greatest finisher the Premier League has ever seen.
Really no shame in that.
On the other side of things, we scored the exact sort of goal McKenna set us up to score and executed it perfectly.
There are an incredible number of positives to take from yesterday where half the team were in League One and the other half have only just joined. Add Cajuste, Phillips, O'Shea, Clarke, get Burns and Hirst back, have the team gel and understand the league a bit more and we'll be in a great place.
We gifted City two goals and defended very, very well for most of the afternoon.
We also have to remember that across the afternoon we saw Woolfenden, Edmundson, Harness, Al Hamadi, Chaplin, Morsy, Luongo, Davis, players in League One or League Two a couple of years ago. They brought on £100m Grealish, John Stones and Gundogan!
We didn't embarrass ourselves. The players performed admirably, looked like many an established Premier League team does at The Etihad, the fans were superb and it was a top day out and great reward for what we've achieved.
The season starts now. | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:31 - Aug 25 with 5498 views | BloomBlue |
Geez Davis gives away a pointless penalty, totally no need to make that challenge. Muric too slow with his decision making but it's Woolf's fault..
I wonder which player the scapegoat fans will pick on if Woolf doesn't play, I'm guessing it will be Davis. |  | | |
| Muric let down on 08:32 - Aug 25 with 5446 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric let down on 08:29 - Aug 25 by bsw72 |
I think we need to not overreact to Davis’ first two matches. He has been up against Salah and Savinho and at 24 is still learning. He will learn and come good. [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 8:32]
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I'm confident he'll be OK against some wingers. But the flying ones he does seem awkward against he had that issue with the likes of whittaker in the past. I don't know the answer to how you coach that into him other than time I guess.
Looking forward to seeing him with the forwards in much more equal games tho. | |
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| Muric let down on 08:39 - Aug 25 with 5333 views | ipswichone |
I have to say that muric did far more wrong than you say1/ on one cross into box,he decided to let ball drift past goal and out.muric should have caught ball,instead Harland crossed into box.2/he was at error for goal 2 and 3.goal 2 he wasn't quick enough,goal three,he ran out of box,committing himself,allowing for a simple goal.what can this goalkeeper do?well he did one superb save second half.it is our aim to stay up,and yes you can allow for errors,like the penalty,which was niavely given away.score should have been 1-1 without thoughs gifts.with Walton ,goal 2 and 3 wouldn't of happened.its up to Kievan McKenna who is in goal,personally I would put Walton as our number one keeper,allowing muric more time training, allowing muric to play in cup games,to see progress .it is also unfair on Walton who started this season against Liverpool. | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:43 - Aug 25 with 5252 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 08:31 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
Geez Davis gives away a pointless penalty, totally no need to make that challenge. Muric too slow with his decision making but it's Woolf's fault..
I wonder which player the scapegoat fans will pick on if Woolf doesn't play, I'm guessing it will be Davis. |
Ha ha ha. I never said that it was all Woolfendens fault, both Taylor and Harness were bundled off the ball too easily. I stated that the defence was jointly culpable with Muric for at least 2 of yesterday’s goals conceded.
Out of curiosity though, if our management team have made a decision to spend upwards of 20 Million on central defenders then who will be the player to make way and why? | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:51 - Aug 25 with 5136 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 08:39 - Aug 25 by ipswichone |
I have to say that muric did far more wrong than you say1/ on one cross into box,he decided to let ball drift past goal and out.muric should have caught ball,instead Harland crossed into box.2/he was at error for goal 2 and 3.goal 2 he wasn't quick enough,goal three,he ran out of box,committing himself,allowing for a simple goal.what can this goalkeeper do?well he did one superb save second half.it is our aim to stay up,and yes you can allow for errors,like the penalty,which was niavely given away.score should have been 1-1 without thoughs gifts.with Walton ,goal 2 and 3 wouldn't of happened.its up to Kievan McKenna who is in goal,personally I would put Walton as our number one keeper,allowing muric more time training, allowing muric to play in cup games,to see progress .it is also unfair on Walton who started this season against Liverpool. |
You can’t claim that goals 2 and 3 wouldn’t have happened with Walton. They may not have happened but not a definitive statement like wouldn’t. Walton may not have made the save that Muric did, but we will never know.
My comments were not comparing Muric with Walton. I remember both Walton’s and Hladky’s abilities were questioned when they first broke into the first team but McK stuck with who he felt was the right choice.
I trust his judgement and am just trying to find some balanced perspective. | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:56 - Aug 25 with 4996 views | BloomBlue |
| Muric let down on 08:43 - Aug 25 by bsw72 |
Ha ha ha. I never said that it was all Woolfendens fault, both Taylor and Harness were bundled off the ball too easily. I stated that the defence was jointly culpable with Muric for at least 2 of yesterday’s goals conceded.
Out of curiosity though, if our management team have made a decision to spend upwards of 20 Million on central defenders then who will be the player to make way and why? |
Players will always be replaced and those new players will also make mistakes.
It's the inconsistent targeting of individual mistakes I dislike. People say Woolfy is slow, but if you look at Liverpool's second goal last week, Davis is caught out but then Greaves is too slow in getting to Salah. He steps back and realises he should be moving towards Salah to close him down, but too slow.
As I said last week if that had been Woolfy, the Woolfy haters would be highlighting it, but because it was Greaves and it doesn't fit their Woolfy scapegoat they ignore it.
Every player on that pitch made mistakes yesterday. When O'Shea plays he will make mistakes, clearly he did last season as Burnley were relegated with lots of goals conceded.
As i said it's the individual personal attack on some players rather than consistent view of all players mistakes I dislike. | | | |
| Muric let down on 08:56 - Aug 25 with 4985 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 08:32 - Aug 25 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm confident he'll be OK against some wingers. But the flying ones he does seem awkward against he had that issue with the likes of whittaker in the past. I don't know the answer to how you coach that into him other than time I guess.
Looking forward to seeing him with the forwards in much more equal games tho. |
Fair comment, another consideration is that as an attacking full back you are heavily reliant on the support from the centre of defence and wide midfield. Once the team is settled and squad are used to each other, that will help. | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:00 - Aug 25 with 4929 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 08:56 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
Players will always be replaced and those new players will also make mistakes.
It's the inconsistent targeting of individual mistakes I dislike. People say Woolfy is slow, but if you look at Liverpool's second goal last week, Davis is caught out but then Greaves is too slow in getting to Salah. He steps back and realises he should be moving towards Salah to close him down, but too slow.
As I said last week if that had been Woolfy, the Woolfy haters would be highlighting it, but because it was Greaves and it doesn't fit their Woolfy scapegoat they ignore it.
Every player on that pitch made mistakes yesterday. When O'Shea plays he will make mistakes, clearly he did last season as Burnley were relegated with lots of goals conceded.
As i said it's the individual personal attack on some players rather than consistent view of all players mistakes I dislike. |
Ok, how does this post align with the criticism of Muric, I’m confused. | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:03 - Aug 25 with 4868 views | BloomBlue |
| Muric let down on 09:00 - Aug 25 by bsw72 |
Ok, how does this post align with the criticism of Muric, I’m confused. |
You asked me about the £20m we're about to buy?
Are you saying O'Shea is about to replace Muric?
In you're original post, you mentioned the importance of getting O'Shea in | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:14 - Aug 25 with 4768 views | bsw72 |
| Muric let down on 09:03 - Aug 25 by BloomBlue |
You asked me about the £20m we're about to buy?
Are you saying O'Shea is about to replace Muric?
In you're original post, you mentioned the importance of getting O'Shea in |
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying obviously. Reading between the lines I clearly indicate that we don’t need a new forward as we can play Walton up front as well  | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:22 - Aug 25 with 4674 views | gtsb1966 |
He was very poor yesterday. You can defend him all you like but another performance like that and he'll be dropped. Hopefully just a bad day at the office. |  | | |
| You could equally argue it was a mistake by McKenna... on 09:27 - Aug 25 with 4586 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
...to give him his debut in the hardest away game of the whole season, behind a defence he doesn't know.
Onwards and upwards. It was a bad 5 mins, move on. |  |
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| Muric let down on 09:30 - Aug 25 with 4537 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Muric let down on 08:39 - Aug 25 by ipswichone |
I have to say that muric did far more wrong than you say1/ on one cross into box,he decided to let ball drift past goal and out.muric should have caught ball,instead Harland crossed into box.2/he was at error for goal 2 and 3.goal 2 he wasn't quick enough,goal three,he ran out of box,committing himself,allowing for a simple goal.what can this goalkeeper do?well he did one superb save second half.it is our aim to stay up,and yes you can allow for errors,like the penalty,which was niavely given away.score should have been 1-1 without thoughs gifts.with Walton ,goal 2 and 3 wouldn't of happened.its up to Kievan McKenna who is in goal,personally I would put Walton as our number one keeper,allowing muric more time training, allowing muric to play in cup games,to see progress .it is also unfair on Walton who started this season against Liverpool. |
Nonsense. | |
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| Muric let down on 09:30 - Aug 25 with 4527 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Muric let down on 08:51 - Aug 25 by bsw72 |
You can’t claim that goals 2 and 3 wouldn’t have happened with Walton. They may not have happened but not a definitive statement like wouldn’t. Walton may not have made the save that Muric did, but we will never know.
My comments were not comparing Muric with Walton. I remember both Walton’s and Hladky’s abilities were questioned when they first broke into the first team but McK stuck with who he felt was the right choice.
I trust his judgement and am just trying to find some balanced perspective. |
This. | |
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| You could equally argue it was a mistake by McKenna... on 09:32 - Aug 25 with 4520 views | bsw72 |
| You could equally argue it was a mistake by McKenna... on 09:27 - Aug 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
...to give him his debut in the hardest away game of the whole season, behind a defence he doesn't know.
Onwards and upwards. It was a bad 5 mins, move on. |
I know. I thought about this, wondering whether it was a misjudgement by McKenna or a genius call. If it didn’t work it was in a game we were never expected to get anything from and if it did come off then we’ve got something we never expected. As you say, 300 poor seconds, still got another 195k plus seconds to get it right. | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:39 - Aug 25 with 4437 views | Jimmy86 |
Muric is just that sort of keeper... He made a couple of mistakes like that at the back end of last season with Burnley.. despite what people say, he is an upgrade on Hladky.. but he will need to learn quickly..
It's the modern way of playing out, by a keeper.. Pickford, arguably one of England's best keeper's, got done exactly the same yesterday against Tottenham. | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:40 - Aug 25 with 4424 views | TACKershaw |
| Muric let down on 08:30 - Aug 25 by Asa |
Good post. The reality for me is this.
We had a back five and keeper yesterday that had never played together against one of the greatest club sides ever. Three of those players have recently joined the club.
We conceded a ridiculous penalty when Davis didn't need to dive in and the goalkeeper got caught on the ball. Two gifted goals. That aside City created two of their goals.
We went 75 minutes without conceding away to a team that's won the League every season since we dropped into League One (the one season they didn't they got points that win it every other season).
The third goal involved a passer by the best passer and best eye for a pass the Premier League has ever seen, a run by one of the best forwards at making runs the Premier League has ever seen and was finished off by the greatest finisher the Premier League has ever seen.
Really no shame in that.
On the other side of things, we scored the exact sort of goal McKenna set us up to score and executed it perfectly.
There are an incredible number of positives to take from yesterday where half the team were in League One and the other half have only just joined. Add Cajuste, Phillips, O'Shea, Clarke, get Burns and Hirst back, have the team gel and understand the league a bit more and we'll be in a great place.
We gifted City two goals and defended very, very well for most of the afternoon.
We also have to remember that across the afternoon we saw Woolfenden, Edmundson, Harness, Al Hamadi, Chaplin, Morsy, Luongo, Davis, players in League One or League Two a couple of years ago. They brought on £100m Grealish, John Stones and Gundogan!
We didn't embarrass ourselves. The players performed admirably, looked like many an established Premier League team does at The Etihad, the fans were superb and it was a top day out and great reward for what we've achieved.
The season starts now. |
Incredibly well reasoned and spot on. We are about to have a very strong squad and we will be playing sides that are much more our equal. The first two matches were always “free hits”. Great learning experiences, so nothing negative at all | | | |
| Muric let down on 09:54 - Aug 25 with 4308 views | Steve_M |
No, he was poor yesterday from his first touch of the ball. Totally at fault for two goals, ones like the second will happen the way we play but he lost his head for the third.
One game won’t define him but no need to make excuses. |  |
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| Muric let down on 10:01 - Aug 25 with 4235 views | ibbleobble |
| Muric let down on 09:54 - Aug 25 by Steve_M |
No, he was poor yesterday from his first touch of the ball. Totally at fault for two goals, ones like the second will happen the way we play but he lost his head for the third.
One game won’t define him but no need to make excuses. |
Bang on. The mistake for the second was still in his head for the third - clearly he wasn’t thinking straight. We have these debates most seasons with keepers but this one is magnified because of big price tag and the occasion. | | | |
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