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The Mark Ashton Show on 19:54 - Nov 6 by Churchman
Interesting that you use the word ‘professional’. In the world of football, define professional. Were Leicester professional working the ref over the way they did? Were there owners professional in how they took advantage of the financial rules? Was it professional to submit annual accounts for 13 months?
In many ways, there is nothing professional about how professional football operates at the upper echelons from what I can see. Ashton is trying to defend his and my club. So he uses what mechanisms he can. I’m glad he’s doing that. Far better than tugging a forelock and saying ‘thank ee sur’, just before getting another slap round the chops.
Will he get anywhere? Of course not, but at least the bloke cares. There are a few things I think our CEO has not handled so well but this isn’t one of them.
However, I am aware that you believe the referee handled that game even handedly and fairly to both teams from the other thread so we are not going to agree on this.
There are lots of things that aren't professional across the Sport I agree with you. That doesn't however mean that I have to like it when our chairman/ceo comes across as unprofessional for his level.
You mention the accounts of Leicester. No it wasn't professional. Would I hope town did the same absolutely not. Just because something is done doesn't mean I want it at town.
I wish we could go back to the days where everyone from the owner,through the CEO,manager down to the gate man really didn't give a stuff about the Club!!
Just like you can donate to charity without broadcasting it on social media. It's possible to care about the club without the need to be publicly vocal about certain things which should stay behind closed doors.
Well now he has experienced it first hand and seen it in action he can have his little chat with Webb but to put it bluntly I think he will find he is pi$$ing in the wind.
You're 100% correct of course. It won't change anything that gone before. Whether it just raises our stock amongst the so called big boys in this division that we are not going to be meek and mild, and here just to make up the numbers,remains to be seen . If you don't stand up for yourself in the playground it's happy hunting time for the bullies. All Town are doing is asking for respect and to being treated equally with regards to the officials decision's.
If any of us had a grievance at work you’d want your boss to say “Leave it with me, I’ve got this”. You get on with your day job, and they take the issue up with whomever and get back to you.
There’s been a noticeable lack of VAR-related posts on here since Ashton went public.
And if the outcome of his meeting with Webb is that players (and fans maybe) have a better understanding of the way PGMOL interpret the laws of the game, but that PGMOL are put on notice and register Town’s frustrations so far this season, then that’s positive all round in my view.
Have no problem at all with Ashton going public on this, as he himself will be held to account if he just gets rolled over.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 22:22 - Nov 6 with 1279 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 20:26 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue
Just like you can donate to charity without broadcasting it on social media. It's possible to care about the club without the need to be publicly vocal about certain things which should stay behind closed doors.
Why should it be kept behind closed doors? What happened on Saturday wasn’t behind closed doors. There were 29k witness plus a tv audience. Sometimes, given pillocks like Gallagher have spouted off in public, it pays to meet fire with fire. Not every time, in fact quiet words, keeping powder dry is mostly the best way, but not this time.
You think we were fairly treated on Saturday, equal decisions with Leicester, equal grievances. Added to the Bristol weirds MA hostile drivel 3+ years ago I suspect has helped you form your take. On this
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The Mark Ashton Show on 08:54 - Nov 7 with 1137 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 22:44 - Nov 6 by Churchman
Why should it be kept behind closed doors? What happened on Saturday wasn’t behind closed doors. There were 29k witness plus a tv audience. Sometimes, given pillocks like Gallagher have spouted off in public, it pays to meet fire with fire. Not every time, in fact quiet words, keeping powder dry is mostly the best way, but not this time.
You think we were fairly treated on Saturday, equal decisions with Leicester, equal grievances. Added to the Bristol weirds MA hostile drivel 3+ years ago I suspect has helped you form your take. On this
What on earth are you on about, the official performance has nothing to do with thoughts on Ashton, likewise the Bristol drivel which was always their personal opinions on how they felt he ran their club.
I have a personal expectation of what I deem is a professional way of acting whilst Ashton is Chairman/Ceo and public airing of official views isn't one of them.
Why you're comparing the thoughts of a Chairman/CEO with that of an ex referee who's spouting in public was that of an invited guest to a tv studio for the purposes of tv entertainment, something I too don't agree with anyway as it doesn't actually solve anything so is a pretty pointless segment but it's TV.
But look, it's cool , he's done it now, can't change it, just hope he remembers his level in future and it's not sitting in the stands with supporters.
And btw, your newly found love of bringing up the ref performance on saturday, you deem to feel the official unfairly showed bias towards one team, if that was the case, he wouldn't be an official much longer, as I agreed with however on saturday, he got things right and wrong for both sides. It happens quite alot, which unfortunately is part of the game.
The bloke represents the club, of course he's going to speak publicly about us.
I think the point he's been making but you haven't understood is that on field issues have got very little to do with the chief executive. Ashton is using this as an opportunity to take heat off the team, the manager and even his signings.
Who should be talking about var, referees and var decisions?
1, Ashton? 2, Mckenna?
The answer is Mckenna. Thats why some people think its unprofessional and unseemly for Ashton to comment so publicly. For example, if the next two games have similiar decisons go against us or worse then Ashton looks innefective, ignored and weak.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 10:25 - Nov 7 with 1045 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 08:54 - Nov 7 by FrimleyBlue
What on earth are you on about, the official performance has nothing to do with thoughts on Ashton, likewise the Bristol drivel which was always their personal opinions on how they felt he ran their club.
I have a personal expectation of what I deem is a professional way of acting whilst Ashton is Chairman/Ceo and public airing of official views isn't one of them.
Why you're comparing the thoughts of a Chairman/CEO with that of an ex referee who's spouting in public was that of an invited guest to a tv studio for the purposes of tv entertainment, something I too don't agree with anyway as it doesn't actually solve anything so is a pretty pointless segment but it's TV.
But look, it's cool , he's done it now, can't change it, just hope he remembers his level in future and it's not sitting in the stands with supporters.
And btw, your newly found love of bringing up the ref performance on saturday, you deem to feel the official unfairly showed bias towards one team, if that was the case, he wouldn't be an official much longer, as I agreed with however on saturday, he got things right and wrong for both sides. It happens quite alot, which unfortunately is part of the game.
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Thanks for the down vote. Not quite sure why given this sort of thing is a matter of opinion. I guess I’ll just have to live with the disappointment.
Paragraph one: no it wasn’t. The clown came on to lecture and did so repeatedly plus endless postings on OTIB. Like all good propaganda, keep repeating and some of the weaker minded people will believe ‘no smoke without fire’. I believe it’s why MAs actions are scrutinised more than they should be.
Paragraph two: you have a personal expectation of what you ‘deem as a professional way of acting’? Oh the irony of that given how and what you post on this board. I shall not express what I believe professional behaviour to be because firstly I don’t work in football and secondly who am I to lecture others on professionalism?
Paragraph three: the Gallagher man on tv is part of and paid by Sky who pay a considerable amount to the PL. I was not comparing the thoughts of the CEO specifically with him, though let’s face it he came out with absolute nonsense, but against what I and 29k others and 1000s beyond witnessed over 100 minutes and in particular how the game was changed.
Paragraph four: who are you to define ‘his level in the future’? That’s for him to decide and deal with the consequences. He defends this club. He is fully engaged with it and that’s a helluva lot better than his predecessors going back a very long way.
Sometimes it’s necessary to stand up and that is what he’s done. Would you prefer the Evans/Clegg approach? Ashton is what he is. He’s got plenty wrong but a lot more right. The only way to get nothing wrong is to do nothing and I’ve seen a good few of those in my time.
Final paragraph: not sure about the patronising ‘newly found love’ bit, but I think you’ll find I rarely if ever comment on referees and specific ref performances but in my opinion Saturday was a disgrace. I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way. You are entitled to your opinion, however wrong it is, as indeed am I.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 10:26 - Nov 7 with 1044 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 18:55 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue
I didn't need to know that he was texting during the game. Why would you do that. What if we scored a 2nd goal before the pen incident would he have texted again and said never mind?
Just so much coming from him. Adding fire to the whole var stuff and boo hiss officials not being fair stuff.
I get it he's trying to deflect the heat away from the players and the manager for not winning a game yet, but many ways he could do that professionally.
I don't personally feel a professional ceo/chairman should be publicly vocal about. Sure deal with it behind the scenes but be professional about it.
I didn’t need to know what goes through your head.
But you feel obliged to post it every five minutes.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 10:30 - Nov 7 with 1038 views
Mark Ashton has been a breath of fresh air to this club and non of us can process the planning for the future that has happened/continues. I just dont get knocking someone who is our voice as a club and as fans. We have been dealt an unbiased injustice with VAR and he just wants answers and an understanding of why its happened and how to stop future events (hopefully). The guy is passionate about the club, a fan as well as CEO who only wants the best for ITFC (and a fair playing ground)
.....go get those answers Mark and thanks for the continueing journey....
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The Mark Ashton Show on 11:33 - Nov 7 with 985 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 10:25 - Nov 7 by Churchman
Thanks for the down vote. Not quite sure why given this sort of thing is a matter of opinion. I guess I’ll just have to live with the disappointment.
Paragraph one: no it wasn’t. The clown came on to lecture and did so repeatedly plus endless postings on OTIB. Like all good propaganda, keep repeating and some of the weaker minded people will believe ‘no smoke without fire’. I believe it’s why MAs actions are scrutinised more than they should be.
Paragraph two: you have a personal expectation of what you ‘deem as a professional way of acting’? Oh the irony of that given how and what you post on this board. I shall not express what I believe professional behaviour to be because firstly I don’t work in football and secondly who am I to lecture others on professionalism?
Paragraph three: the Gallagher man on tv is part of and paid by Sky who pay a considerable amount to the PL. I was not comparing the thoughts of the CEO specifically with him, though let’s face it he came out with absolute nonsense, but against what I and 29k others and 1000s beyond witnessed over 100 minutes and in particular how the game was changed.
Paragraph four: who are you to define ‘his level in the future’? That’s for him to decide and deal with the consequences. He defends this club. He is fully engaged with it and that’s a helluva lot better than his predecessors going back a very long way.
Sometimes it’s necessary to stand up and that is what he’s done. Would you prefer the Evans/Clegg approach? Ashton is what he is. He’s got plenty wrong but a lot more right. The only way to get nothing wrong is to do nothing and I’ve seen a good few of those in my time.
Final paragraph: not sure about the patronising ‘newly found love’ bit, but I think you’ll find I rarely if ever comment on referees and specific ref performances but in my opinion Saturday was a disgrace. I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way. You are entitled to your opinion, however wrong it is, as indeed am I.
Paragrah one: I agree that some follow a narrative, but this subject that i'm discussing isn't about what he did at bristol nor comparing something he did for them with us, it's a specific subject alone which is solely about his recent public airing of VAR and official views.
"Paragraph two: you have a personal expectation of what you ‘deem as a professional way of acting’? Oh the irony of that given how and what you post on this board.
This is a football forum, I don't need to be professional, bizarre.
Paragraph 3 , you said why shouldn't Ashton speak out when Gallagher did, you've agreed he's part of a TV show so you should know why him doing so has no reasoning for Ashton going public with his thoughts, probably when Ashton is retired, then i'd agree he should do what he likes. But one being a tv 'pundit' doesn't automatically mean game on.
Paragraph 4, It's a personal view, I can deem what I feel his level should be, he can defend the club all he wants, yes its great, it's lovely in fact, but do it behind closed doors. Don't donate to charity and post about it.
Final Paragraph, your new found love was a reference to you bringing up my answer to your question the other day to form part of your debate.
Simple fact with this is, I 100% agree that Ashton is a quality chairman/ceo, he's driven, committed and there probably isn't another one i'd rather have at town right now. BUT I think certain things are best kept quiet and done in a more quiet, professional manner.
The Mark Ashton Show on 11:33 - Nov 7 by FrimleyBlue
Paragrah one: I agree that some follow a narrative, but this subject that i'm discussing isn't about what he did at bristol nor comparing something he did for them with us, it's a specific subject alone which is solely about his recent public airing of VAR and official views.
"Paragraph two: you have a personal expectation of what you ‘deem as a professional way of acting’? Oh the irony of that given how and what you post on this board.
This is a football forum, I don't need to be professional, bizarre.
Paragraph 3 , you said why shouldn't Ashton speak out when Gallagher did, you've agreed he's part of a TV show so you should know why him doing so has no reasoning for Ashton going public with his thoughts, probably when Ashton is retired, then i'd agree he should do what he likes. But one being a tv 'pundit' doesn't automatically mean game on.
Paragraph 4, It's a personal view, I can deem what I feel his level should be, he can defend the club all he wants, yes its great, it's lovely in fact, but do it behind closed doors. Don't donate to charity and post about it.
Final Paragraph, your new found love was a reference to you bringing up my answer to your question the other day to form part of your debate.
Simple fact with this is, I 100% agree that Ashton is a quality chairman/ceo, he's driven, committed and there probably isn't another one i'd rather have at town right now. BUT I think certain things are best kept quiet and done in a more quiet, professional manner.
No, you don’t need to be professional in posting on a forum as you so amply demonstrate, but there is irony in you using that word in judging somebody else who you don’t know anything about or how their world operates.
Yes, you can deem whatever you like including Burgess not being fit to play in the Championship and needing to be replaced before the first game last season, but it doesn’t make you right.
That’s my last word on this.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 12:05 - Nov 7 with 910 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 12:00 - Nov 7 by Churchman
No, you don’t need to be professional in posting on a forum as you so amply demonstrate, but there is irony in you using that word in judging somebody else who you don’t know anything about or how their world operates.
Yes, you can deem whatever you like including Burgess not being fit to play in the Championship and needing to be replaced before the first game last season, but it doesn’t make you right.
That’s my last word on this.
There's no irony at all as we're not talking about how Ashton posts on this forum, if we were then i'd agree with you.
Oh and throwing in the burgess stuff, that's the beauty of football, players becoming better than you think, that's all we ever hope for.
The Mark Ashton Show on 18:55 - Nov 6 by FrimleyBlue
I didn't need to know that he was texting during the game. Why would you do that. What if we scored a 2nd goal before the pen incident would he have texted again and said never mind?
Just so much coming from him. Adding fire to the whole var stuff and boo hiss officials not being fair stuff.
I get it he's trying to deflect the heat away from the players and the manager for not winning a game yet, but many ways he could do that professionally.
I don't personally feel a professional ceo/chairman should be publicly vocal about. Sure deal with it behind the scenes but be professional about it.
Remarkably, actually a good post from you.
The texting thing was a bit cringe as someone else alluded to.
We also voted for VAR. Because the Premier League told us nice things. Maybe next time he should have listened to similar size club in Wolves a bit more? Maybe he should have asked other small clubs over the past couple years?
I also think it's all a bit silly because let's say VAR had incorrectly given us a couple pens in the last few games - i.e we didn't think it was a pen but they were given because VAR was stupid - he wouldn't be complaining would he?
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The Mark Ashton Show on 16:29 - Nov 7 with 780 views
Frankly I find the fact that no one is able to express an opinion directly to officials of football's governing bodies as being absurd. I thought within reason we were allowed to say what we wanted, free speech and all that. To not be able to challenge officials and officialdom for fear of being fined or banned from the touchline is crazy. They aren't Gods. They do make mistakes but are being allowed to make themselves immune from criticism. Football is supposed to be the working man's sport but is being ruined, especially the Premier League, by turning it into a game of have's and have not's. Where players, not all who are the most skilful, are being paid a Kings ransom whilst fans are having to endure VAR and being dictated to by Sky,BT and the like as to when they should turn up for a match. They are being required to travel the length of the Country for semi finals, finals and playoff games to satisfy the Wembley coffers even if both teams come from the Midlands or the North. Football needs to look itself squarely in the face and see that it's being totally unfair to fans and is becoming too elitist and self serving.
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The Mark Ashton Show on 16:33 - Nov 7 with 771 views
The Mark Ashton Show on 16:29 - Nov 7 by OldFart71
Frankly I find the fact that no one is able to express an opinion directly to officials of football's governing bodies as being absurd. I thought within reason we were allowed to say what we wanted, free speech and all that. To not be able to challenge officials and officialdom for fear of being fined or banned from the touchline is crazy. They aren't Gods. They do make mistakes but are being allowed to make themselves immune from criticism. Football is supposed to be the working man's sport but is being ruined, especially the Premier League, by turning it into a game of have's and have not's. Where players, not all who are the most skilful, are being paid a Kings ransom whilst fans are having to endure VAR and being dictated to by Sky,BT and the like as to when they should turn up for a match. They are being required to travel the length of the Country for semi finals, finals and playoff games to satisfy the Wembley coffers even if both teams come from the Midlands or the North. Football needs to look itself squarely in the face and see that it's being totally unfair to fans and is becoming too elitist and self serving.
You can express your opinions on officials via official club reporting procedures after every game. You actually rate the officials performance and can add your comments. The FA will then get in contact regarding your comments.
I think the point he's been making but you haven't understood is that on field issues have got very little to do with the chief executive. Ashton is using this as an opportunity to take heat off the team, the manager and even his signings.
Who should be talking about var, referees and var decisions?
1, Ashton? 2, Mckenna?
The answer is Mckenna. Thats why some people think its unprofessional and unseemly for Ashton to comment so publicly. For example, if the next two games have similiar decisons go against us or worse then Ashton looks innefective, ignored and weak.
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If you listen to Ashton's reasonings in this interview, his whole ethos of making a successful club is that you find the right manager, and you build an infrastructure behind him, so that he never has to look behind, he can just look forward and 'fly'.
Ashton taking up the gripes and complaints we - justifiably - have with VAR/referees, etc, is allowing McK to focus forward.
I absolutely love his business model. For sure, I think you have to have some level of ego to do this, but he also says repeatedly in this interview that if you think you are the smartest person in the room, you are headed for trouble.
PS - also never knew that Ashton was a youth GK at West Brom, a Youth GK Coach, a first team coach, too, and then spent 10 years learning how to be a CEO of a football club. He knows the business. Just compare him to the likes of Simon Clegg and Ian Milne....
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