| Drill, baby, drill! 11:00 - Nov 7 with 5664 views | StokieBlue |
This year is set to be the warmest year on record and the first year where global average temperatures break 1.5C above pre-industrial levels [1].
2024 also saw a lot of extreme weather events including a very active hurricane season and the events in Spain, both of which can be linked to climate change.
Along with the "drill, baby, drill!" narrative the Trump campaign has also stated he wants to withdraw from the Paris agreement [2]. The only other countries to do this are Iran, Yemen and Libya.
SB
[1]. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dpnxnvv2go
[2]. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-paris-climate-treaty-withdrawal-a |  | | |  |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 09:20 - Nov 12 with 1106 views | MVBlue |
You have to wonder what Musk makes of the climate agreements. He played a big role in Trumps return. He wants his rockets doing well and his Teslas. He was invested in solar panels. Is he turning a blind eye to this element? |  |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 09:42 - Nov 12 with 1059 views | StokieBlue |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 07:02 - Nov 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you’ll find the area used to get regular 40 degree days. Sometimes more, sometimes less - because there’s no such thing as an average. When I used to go hiking in the Pyrenees in search of bears the weather forecaster used to eulogise such days - but that was before sunny days were portrayed as scary red on maps.
The world is emerging from an ice age. It’s getting warmer because it got colder. And bits of Spain and Southern France get devastated by heavy rain every year, as they always have - just as bits of the USA get extreme weather so beloved by 24 news channels. If you want to wet yourself about extreme rainfall have a look at Florida and the Mississippi in the 1920s. It’s rather unfashionable to point out that extreme weather events have always occurred. But they have - just as they’ll continue, |
Last time I responded to your claim about rising temperatures being due to Earth emerging from an ice age the post was deleted as it was linked to some posts you made which were deleted.
Let's try again.
The often pushed theory that Earth is emerging from an ice age and that this explains the warming temperatures is incorrect.
The last ice age (or more specifically the last glacial period (LGP)) finished at the end of the Younger Dryas period which started 12800 years ago and finished 11700 years ago.
After the last LGP we entered the current period known as the Holocene. The first half of the Holocene was a warm period (known as the Holocene Climate Optimum (HCO)) and lasted until about 7000 years ago. Since then temperatures have steadily declined at a rate of between 0.1C and 0.3C per millennium until two centuries ago when they started to increase at a fast rate.
The hottest part of the HCO was approximately 0.7C hotter than the mean temperature for the century before the industrial revolution but 0.3C cooler than the mean for 2011 to 2019. It's worth remembering that temperatures have continued to warm at an increased rate since 2019.
So in summary, I'm sure it sounds clever in some circles to say that there is nothing to worry about and we are just emerging from an ice age but in reality it's a falsehood which the evidence clearly debunks.
I've seen you say it about 5 times now, can you please stop as someone might read it and believe you.
SB [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:48]
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 09:56 - Nov 12 with 1012 views | leitrimblue |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 07:02 - Nov 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you’ll find the area used to get regular 40 degree days. Sometimes more, sometimes less - because there’s no such thing as an average. When I used to go hiking in the Pyrenees in search of bears the weather forecaster used to eulogise such days - but that was before sunny days were portrayed as scary red on maps.
The world is emerging from an ice age. It’s getting warmer because it got colder. And bits of Spain and Southern France get devastated by heavy rain every year, as they always have - just as bits of the USA get extreme weather so beloved by 24 news channels. If you want to wet yourself about extreme rainfall have a look at Florida and the Mississippi in the 1920s. It’s rather unfashionable to point out that extreme weather events have always occurred. But they have - just as they’ll continue, |
'The world is emerging from an ice age'
Are you by any chance a mesolithic hunter gatherer?
Perhaps mammoth in the room would be a more suitable user name? |  | | |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:12 - Nov 12 with 970 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 07:07 - Nov 12 by BarcaBlue |
My only takeaway from that head in the sand nonsense is that the bears in the Pyrenees weren't fortunate enough to meet you. |
Your ignorance is spectacular - but not world ending - there have always been people like you too
The bears (and wolves) are in far more danger from people and always have been. Incidentally the biggest danger to hikers, end of the world fearing and otherwise, is themselves - closely followed by the Pyrenean mountain dogs which are far more dangerous to people than bears, wolves - or a drop of rain. |  |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:27 - Nov 12 with 942 views | BarcaBlue |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:12 - Nov 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
Your ignorance is spectacular - but not world ending - there have always been people like you too
The bears (and wolves) are in far more danger from people and always have been. Incidentally the biggest danger to hikers, end of the world fearing and otherwise, is themselves - closely followed by the Pyrenean mountain dogs which are far more dangerous to people than bears, wolves - or a drop of rain. |
There are no wolves in the Pyrenees, bears were reintroduced in 1996 so the chances of meeting either is close to zero. If you were hiking in this area hoping to see either your ignorance of Pyreneean widlife is spectacular.
There have always been spectacular idiots like you though from luddites to modern day Trumpites. Your ice-age theory is spectacularly wrong coming from a spectacular level of ignorance. |  | | |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:51 - Nov 12 with 890 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 08:32 - Nov 12 by NthQldITFC |
You make me really angry, which I guess is a win for you, but ultimately I'm pleased that when it comes down to it I can feel sorry for you.
But I know I'm letting myself down with a post like this. That's what you do. |
It’s not unusual for people to hate being told the truth
Tell you what draw a graph and stretch one of the scales to a ludicrous degree - you’ll feel better
The take a holiday somewhere 20 degrees warmer, preferably by plane and worry about 1.5 degree averages over a snapshot in time. | |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 11:13 - Nov 12 with 859 views | NthQldITFC |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:51 - Nov 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not unusual for people to hate being told the truth
Tell you what draw a graph and stretch one of the scales to a ludicrous degree - you’ll feel better
The take a holiday somewhere 20 degrees warmer, preferably by plane and worry about 1.5 degree averages over a snapshot in time. |
I think that's the first time you've actually responded to me. Thanks. Finding your confidence to actually engage in the debate rather than just dropping a climate or football franchise bomb and running off to masturbate is progress.
Good luck with either learning where you're wrong or finding a cogent argument which convinces the rest of us and essentially the whole genuine scientific community that we've got it all wrong. The latter would be fantastic if it came to pass, and I'd buy you dinner. |  |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 14:35 - Nov 12 with 745 views | Geomorph |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 09:42 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
Last time I responded to your claim about rising temperatures being due to Earth emerging from an ice age the post was deleted as it was linked to some posts you made which were deleted.
Let's try again.
The often pushed theory that Earth is emerging from an ice age and that this explains the warming temperatures is incorrect.
The last ice age (or more specifically the last glacial period (LGP)) finished at the end of the Younger Dryas period which started 12800 years ago and finished 11700 years ago.
After the last LGP we entered the current period known as the Holocene. The first half of the Holocene was a warm period (known as the Holocene Climate Optimum (HCO)) and lasted until about 7000 years ago. Since then temperatures have steadily declined at a rate of between 0.1C and 0.3C per millennium until two centuries ago when they started to increase at a fast rate.
The hottest part of the HCO was approximately 0.7C hotter than the mean temperature for the century before the industrial revolution but 0.3C cooler than the mean for 2011 to 2019. It's worth remembering that temperatures have continued to warm at an increased rate since 2019.
So in summary, I'm sure it sounds clever in some circles to say that there is nothing to worry about and we are just emerging from an ice age but in reality it's a falsehood which the evidence clearly debunks.
I've seen you say it about 5 times now, can you please stop as someone might read it and believe you.
SB [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:48]
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all good stuff. we also had a little 'Medieval Warm Period' from the ca.9th to 12th century AD... linked to a spurt in population.. ending in plagues here and there.
For info, the average duration of interglacials in the Quaternary period (ca.2M y ...ice age) has been ca.8.8 k years... we are in a relatively long one. So elephants hypothesis abount emergence is nothing but a few words being p1ssed in the wind. |  | | |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 18:54 - Nov 12 with 630 views | DJR |
There are three days of amber alerts for the area of Valencia recently hit by storms.
That's nae normal because usually the storms that hit that area in the autumn are one-offs. |  | | |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 19:22 - Nov 12 with 606 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 11:53 - Nov 7 by giant_stow |
Aren't the costs of renewable energy always getting lower / more economically competitive too? Or is that wishful thinking?! |
Very much so. Producing electricity from onshore wind is now about 3 times cheaper than from fossil gas power stations, apparently. Most of the contribution (well over 80%) towards the eye watering fuel prices we we’ve seen over the last couple of years has come from fossil fuel cost rises. This despite about 45% of our power now coming from renewables. And locally produced renewables obvious offer better energy security.
But there’s still a LOT of money to be made off fossil fuels as they’re so highly subsidised and the demand is still there. |  |
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| Drill, baby, drill! on 21:24 - Nov 12 with 554 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 09:20 - Nov 12 by MVBlue |
You have to wonder what Musk makes of the climate agreements. He played a big role in Trumps return. He wants his rockets doing well and his Teslas. He was invested in solar panels. Is he turning a blind eye to this element? |
The reason Musk backed Trump - and it’s his motivation for everything ($$$) - is Trump’s tariffs will kill off his EV competition from China. Let’s not forget the US is still the biggest, wealthiest economy in the world. Losing access to China via retaliatory tariffs is no big deal, western investment is declining there, geopolitical tensions aside, it’s a very hostile regulatory and legal regime if you are a foreign firm in China, and the domestic firms now dominate many industries. | | | |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 06:24 - Nov 13 with 452 views | CoachRob |
| Drill, baby, drill! on 10:51 - Nov 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not unusual for people to hate being told the truth
Tell you what draw a graph and stretch one of the scales to a ludicrous degree - you’ll feel better
The take a holiday somewhere 20 degrees warmer, preferably by plane and worry about 1.5 degree averages over a snapshot in time. |
I think you may have disappeared up your own abscissa with the comment about graphs.
We only have a few climate sceptics on this site as far as I can tell so this 'truth' is going to need fleshing out a bit. You have accused us of dishonesty, presumably a hangover from the whole UEA/Michael Mann email hacking nonsense. I think with you it is political, as one sceptic poster implied recently, climate science is all a left wing conspiracy. If you want to discuss the science, happy to do so, but currently it appears your only objective is to have a pop at scientists or the left as you see it. |  | | |
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