| Walton vs Muric 11:47 - Jan 21 with 3197 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
I don't understand all of the upset about this topic. Muric had a good run in the team and while he made some very good saves and had some good games it was decided on balance that a change was needed. Walton has equally played well in some games, made some good saves.. and has also made mistakes in his games. Both keepers have won us important points this season, but they both have different strengths and weaknesses. Ultimately they have both been at the mercy of mistakes made further up the pitch as well. Credit to them both, and especially to Walton for coming back in after a season of being second choice and playing as well as he has at a much higher level.
I do maintain that had Walton not been clattered on Thursday against Brighton we'd have probably won a point. As for Sunday, we played a system that totally exposed our right flank. Neither loss was down to issues purely with our choice of goalkeeper. In both games, we were overly reliant on a slow midfield and Delap up top having to chase after everything, which does not work as he's not going to be as big a goal threat if he's having to make up 99% of the work for the team in those areas, and frankly, the service he gets is very poor at times.
I do not see the harm in having two good goalkeepers who can be used interchangeably with different strengths, it certainly worked for us in the past with Forrest/Baker, Forrest/Wright, and in more recent years Bart/Gerken.
Let's have some balance on this one. [Post edited 21 Jan 11:47]
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:50 - Jan 21 with 2528 views | Chris_ITFC |
My biggest problem with Walton is the consistent kicking long. The team shape still sets up for short passing, and Delap is completely isolated when the ball reaches him. He does brilliantly, but Walton regularly gifts possession back to the opposition, which ultimately leads to pressure / goals.
Muric makes errors, but he suits our style of play, albeit not to Premier League standard (like many of his team mates, understandably). |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:50 - Jan 21 with 2524 views | Radlett_blue |
Fair points, but I don;t think it's generally helpful to keep changing keeper, although McKenna doesn't seem to do it on the basis of 1 bad mistake. Muric as a better shot stopper & claims the ball slightly better, but he gives me the hebby-jeebies every time he has the ball at his feet & his long kicking is generally poor (possibly injury related). I still recall when GB kept swapping Marshall & Sereni & I think it affected both players' confidence. |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:53 - Jan 21 with 2474 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:50 - Jan 21 by Chris_ITFC |
My biggest problem with Walton is the consistent kicking long. The team shape still sets up for short passing, and Delap is completely isolated when the ball reaches him. He does brilliantly, but Walton regularly gifts possession back to the opposition, which ultimately leads to pressure / goals.
Muric makes errors, but he suits our style of play, albeit not to Premier League standard (like many of his team mates, understandably). |
His distribution is different from Muric, you would expect we would plan around it. Walton has found some decent balls, but I agree too often it does not work, but equally with Muric, he has brain farts while playing it out from the back and the passes don't always work in our favour. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:53 - Jan 21 with 2470 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
To put it simply.
I don't rate either of them. Id probably go with Muric reluctantly.
But I would absolutely be on the lookout for a new keeper. |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:55 - Jan 21 with 2450 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:53 - Jan 21 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
His distribution is different from Muric, you would expect we would plan around it. Walton has found some decent balls, but I agree too often it does not work, but equally with Muric, he has brain farts while playing it out from the back and the passes don't always work in our favour. |
That’s what confuses me.
Everyone knows Walton is likely to kick long, so why has no adaptation been made tactically? | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 11:57 - Jan 21 with 2411 views | CobboldCrusty |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:55 - Jan 21 by Chris_ITFC |
That’s what confuses me.
Everyone knows Walton is likely to kick long, so why has no adaptation been made tactically? |
Lack of necessary personnel to do so I think |  | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:59 - Jan 21 with 2401 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:50 - Jan 21 by Radlett_blue |
Fair points, but I don;t think it's generally helpful to keep changing keeper, although McKenna doesn't seem to do it on the basis of 1 bad mistake. Muric as a better shot stopper & claims the ball slightly better, but he gives me the hebby-jeebies every time he has the ball at his feet & his long kicking is generally poor (possibly injury related). I still recall when GB kept swapping Marshall & Sereni & I think it affected both players' confidence. |
That's because Sereni didn't want to be here and Marshall's confidence was shot from the pressure of having played for Norwich. After he left Ipswich he still went on to have a good career, he wasn't as bad a keeper as many made out, he was just the wrong player at the wrong time (following a very good and popular Richard Wright).
Anyhow past reflections aside, we do look more settled with Walton (along with Wolfenden and Burgess) playing rather than Muric, which is likely why we have stuck with Walton. You could argue by swapping out Woldenden and Burgess as we have, we have done more to unsettle our system/backline than the change of keeper has. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:04 - Jan 21 with 2330 views | Radlett_blue |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:59 - Jan 21 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
That's because Sereni didn't want to be here and Marshall's confidence was shot from the pressure of having played for Norwich. After he left Ipswich he still went on to have a good career, he wasn't as bad a keeper as many made out, he was just the wrong player at the wrong time (following a very good and popular Richard Wright).
Anyhow past reflections aside, we do look more settled with Walton (along with Wolfenden and Burgess) playing rather than Muric, which is likely why we have stuck with Walton. You could argue by swapping out Woldenden and Burgess as we have, we have done more to unsettle our system/backline than the change of keeper has. |
Yes, some fans didn't want Marshall here so his every error was picked upon & his confidence became shot. If BFJ had come in earlier (he quickly replaced Marshall with a loanee) we might well have bounced back.
Yes, the chopping & changing of the defence may be a bigger issue than which keeper we play. We now have Godfrey, who looked understandably rusty on Sunday & Axel back so McKenna needs to sort out his first choice defence & largely stick to it. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:07 - Jan 21 with 2300 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:50 - Jan 21 by Chris_ITFC |
My biggest problem with Walton is the consistent kicking long. The team shape still sets up for short passing, and Delap is completely isolated when the ball reaches him. He does brilliantly, but Walton regularly gifts possession back to the opposition, which ultimately leads to pressure / goals.
Muric makes errors, but he suits our style of play, albeit not to Premier League standard (like many of his team mates, understandably). |
I agree - although on Sunday there were signs of Walton trying to play similar short passes out from the back, and especially the ball into central midfield that Muric was often derided for.
This isn't Walton's natural game, which is why Muric better suits KM desired style of play out from defence, but it's good to see Walton trying to adapt (albeit a minority play from him).
It's quite possible that there will be more times where Walton loses the ball to the opposition if he's coached to play like this more often, rather than take the more conservative approach of lumping the ball up field (resulting in us losing possession more often than not). |  | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:10 - Jan 21 with 2263 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think interchanging keepers ever works well, for us or any other club. |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:10 - Jan 21 with 2265 views | Steve_M |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:04 - Jan 21 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, some fans didn't want Marshall here so his every error was picked upon & his confidence became shot. If BFJ had come in earlier (he quickly replaced Marshall with a loanee) we might well have bounced back.
Yes, the chopping & changing of the defence may be a bigger issue than which keeper we play. We now have Godfrey, who looked understandably rusty on Sunday & Axel back so McKenna needs to sort out his first choice defence & largely stick to it. |
It was worse than that in 02-03, Paul Gerrard had to go back to Everton and we went back to Marshall.
And whilst Marshall wasn't good enough and made mistakes in the Premier League, he was even worse the seasons after. Probably cost us promotion on his own.
Confidence is massive for some players but he was never as good as he was at Norwich again. |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:11 - Jan 21 with 2248 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:53 - Jan 21 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
His distribution is different from Muric, you would expect we would plan around it. Walton has found some decent balls, but I agree too often it does not work, but equally with Muric, he has brain farts while playing it out from the back and the passes don't always work in our favour. |
Walton has brain farts playing it out from the back too. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:12 - Jan 21 with 2246 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:04 - Jan 21 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, some fans didn't want Marshall here so his every error was picked upon & his confidence became shot. If BFJ had come in earlier (he quickly replaced Marshall with a loanee) we might well have bounced back.
Yes, the chopping & changing of the defence may be a bigger issue than which keeper we play. We now have Godfrey, who looked understandably rusty on Sunday & Axel back so McKenna needs to sort out his first choice defence & largely stick to it. |
Our support these days is a lot kinder to ex-Norwich players, Williams was well-supported and Godfrey appears to be getting similar support despite having starred for Norwich during their boom period. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:14 - Jan 21 with 2208 views | portmanking |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:53 - Jan 21 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
To put it simply.
I don't rate either of them. Id probably go with Muric reluctantly.
But I would absolutely be on the lookout for a new keeper. |
I'm gutted we didn't push the boat out and pay the £18m quoted for Kelleher at Liverpool, personally. | | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:19 - Jan 21 with 2163 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:14 - Jan 21 by portmanking |
I'm gutted we didn't push the boat out and pay the £18m quoted for Kelleher at Liverpool, personally. |
Kelleher would have been an excellent signing - but was it ever really an option? | | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:23 - Jan 21 with 2137 views | EJP |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:10 - Jan 21 by Steve_M |
It was worse than that in 02-03, Paul Gerrard had to go back to Everton and we went back to Marshall.
And whilst Marshall wasn't good enough and made mistakes in the Premier League, he was even worse the seasons after. Probably cost us promotion on his own.
Confidence is massive for some players but he was never as good as he was at Norwich again. |
Just looked up that season. Paul Gerrard was the only incoming player.
James Pullen played in the 2-2 home draw against Grimsby, but Marshall was back in goal for the 2-0 win at Norwich. |  | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:34 - Jan 21 with 2045 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:23 - Jan 21 by EJP |
Just looked up that season. Paul Gerrard was the only incoming player.
James Pullen played in the 2-2 home draw against Grimsby, but Marshall was back in goal for the 2-0 win at Norwich. |
and by all accounts, he had a good game that day. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:35 - Jan 21 with 2037 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Walton vs Muric on 11:57 - Jan 21 by CobboldCrusty |
Lack of necessary personnel to do so I think |
I’m talking even the most basic adaptations - actually having anyone near Delap who he can head it to, for example. The team is often spread waiting for a short pass build up instead. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:44 - Jan 21 with 1981 views | Steve_M |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:23 - Jan 21 by EJP |
Just looked up that season. Paul Gerrard was the only incoming player.
James Pullen played in the 2-2 home draw against Grimsby, but Marshall was back in goal for the 2-0 win at Norwich. |
Pullen only played one match, he was badly at fault for at least one of the goals and we needed a very late Darren Bent equaliser. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:47 - Jan 21 with 1964 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:44 - Jan 21 by Steve_M |
Pullen only played one match, he was badly at fault for at least one of the goals and we needed a very late Darren Bent equaliser. |
Pullen has been dropped as keeper and kitman in his time at Town. Has to be a first! | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 12:58 - Jan 21 with 1913 views | Garv |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:10 - Jan 21 by Steve_M |
It was worse than that in 02-03, Paul Gerrard had to go back to Everton and we went back to Marshall.
And whilst Marshall wasn't good enough and made mistakes in the Premier League, he was even worse the seasons after. Probably cost us promotion on his own.
Confidence is massive for some players but he was never as good as he was at Norwich again. |
Had forgotten about Paul Gerrard. He was very solid if memory serves, in the same mould in terms of a loanee as Asmir Begovic - a bit too good for us. |  |
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| Walton vs Muric on 13:14 - Jan 21 with 1843 views | Radlett_blue |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:10 - Jan 21 by Steve_M |
It was worse than that in 02-03, Paul Gerrard had to go back to Everton and we went back to Marshall.
And whilst Marshall wasn't good enough and made mistakes in the Premier League, he was even worse the seasons after. Probably cost us promotion on his own.
Confidence is massive for some players but he was never as good as he was at Norwich again. |
Gerrard was signed on only a month's loan & he returned to Everton after getting injured. We were skint at the time & heading for administration so we couldn't bring in any more players. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 13:16 - Jan 21 with 1826 views | Parky |
Not sure either of them are good enough to be honest, but both have different strengths. I think the defence looks more comfortable with Walton, but Muric is certainly better at claiming more and coming off his line.
I don’t think chopping and changing keeper is helpful for their own confidence, but also for the defence playing infront of them.
If I had to pick, think I’d edge with Muric purely because he’s better at claiming crosses and high balls into the box which takes the sting out of the game. Don’t think he’s played in our slightly tweaked new system either, so worth a go.
The problem we have is some fans are just waiting for a mistake to be able to say ‘I told you he was shǐt’, which ultimately doesn’t help. | | | |
| Walton vs Muric on 13:46 - Jan 21 with 1653 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Walton vs Muric on 12:19 - Jan 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Kelleher would have been an excellent signing - but was it ever really an option? |
I think they wanted £30m. I dont think we got close. | |
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| Walton vs Muric on 14:04 - Jan 21 with 1595 views | billlm |
Muric will be back in for the saints game if not before, |  | | |
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