| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich 20:12 - Jan 27 with 10619 views | Dilithium85 |
Saw this on another forum and thought it was a interesting question. Any thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:20 - Jan 27 with 2420 views | hatch |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 20:56 - Jan 27 by Swailsey |
100 league games exactly, not including cups. Shocking. Surely has to be the only answer. |
I’m not even joking when I say I was playing golf down at Woldingham in Surrey a few years ago and Lee Martin was in a two ball ahead of me. Caught up with him on a tee box and I said “alright Lee, I’m an Ipswich fan” and without a moments thought he just said “I’m sorry”. As in, not a crap joke about our club but genuinely apologised. Couldn’t believe it. |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:21 - Jan 27 with 2388 views | textbackup |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:23 - Jan 27 with 2390 views | positivity |
jonathan douglas
edit:- sorry misread that as worst player who appeared to be aged 100+... [Post edited 27 Jan 22:24]
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:27 - Jan 27 with 2356 views | positivity |
can't disagree with lee martin in my lifetime, but surprised dean gerken made it past 100 | |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:36 - Jan 27 with 2311 views | Libero |
Despite his clear natural ability, Teddy Bishop must be up there?
Played 123 games but I don't think he completed 90 minutes more than 10 times.
Anyway, good news, he's back to full fitness next month... |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:36 - Jan 27 with 2309 views | Clapham_Junction |
The first is league appearances, the second is all appearances. If you scroll down further in the first article you'll see the 114 figure. |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:42 - Jan 27 with 2258 views | SE1blue |
Freddie Sears.
A striker with 32 goals in 209 appearances.
Some folks moan about Norwood but Sears was stealing a living at the end. |  |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:46 - Jan 27 with 2222 views | Libero |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:42 - Jan 27 by SE1blue |
Freddie Sears.
A striker with 32 goals in 209 appearances.
Some folks moan about Norwood but Sears was stealing a living at the end. |
Harsh, he spent most of his career here playing out of position in a wide midfield role in a Mick McCarthy 4-4-2, I seem to remember when he first signed and was actually played up front he had quite a purple patch in front of goal?
Conversely, David McGoldrick also had a purple patch when he first signed, but played up front almost every time he appeared in a town shirt,
yet people seem to widely forgive that he'd only score 3/4 pennos and maybe 3/4 goals in open play a season,
just because he had a nice touch and could do a step over. [Post edited 27 Jan 22:48]
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:52 - Jan 27 with 2178 views | SE1blue |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:46 - Jan 27 by Libero |
Harsh, he spent most of his career here playing out of position in a wide midfield role in a Mick McCarthy 4-4-2, I seem to remember when he first signed and was actually played up front he had quite a purple patch in front of goal?
Conversely, David McGoldrick also had a purple patch when he first signed, but played up front almost every time he appeared in a town shirt,
yet people seem to widely forgive that he'd only score 3/4 pennos and maybe 3/4 goals in open play a season,
just because he had a nice touch and could do a step over. [Post edited 27 Jan 22:48]
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Did you just make a link between Sears and McGoldrick? That's like talking about Babybel and Camembert in the same conversation.
Sears was played out of position because he had become so bad in his 'best' position. | |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 23:00 - Jan 27 with 2125 views | Libero |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:52 - Jan 27 by SE1blue |
Did you just make a link between Sears and McGoldrick? That's like talking about Babybel and Camembert in the same conversation.
Sears was played out of position because he had become so bad in his 'best' position. |
In terms of ability, they're worlds apart of course, David McGoldrick was wonderfully naturally gifted- but Sears did manage to outscore McGoldrick in open play more often than not- despite playing at right midfield in a Mick McCarthy 4-4-2 and McGoldrick being the one player on the pitch he seemingly had a degree of freedom...
2014/15 - Sears got more in open play
2015/16 - Sears got more in open play
2016/17 - Sears got more in open play
2017/18 - David McGoldrick scored 6 goals, Sears 2, gonna be honest I can't remember how many of those were pennos for Dave, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he beat Sears that year...
Not sure your last sentence is true, from memory he was crowbarred there in an effort to get him McGoldrick and Murphy all in the team once they were all fit and just kinda stayed there?
I've always enjoyed a Babybel, myself... [Post edited 27 Jan 23:09]
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 23:29 - Jan 27 with 2019 views | Stewart27 |
Leadbitter | | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 00:03 - Jan 28 with 1963 views | ParisBlue |
Never rated Dean Gerken. |  |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 00:43 - Jan 28 with 1928 views | DavoIPB |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 22:21 - Jan 27 by textbackup |
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Yep. Most over rated. Can remember watching him play and thinking he was by far our worst player and then he became captain and everybody loved him. Seemed a genuinely good person but awful at defending and just hoofed it up the pitch every time. | | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 01:50 - Jan 28 with 1879 views | SE1blue |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 23:00 - Jan 27 by Libero |
In terms of ability, they're worlds apart of course, David McGoldrick was wonderfully naturally gifted- but Sears did manage to outscore McGoldrick in open play more often than not- despite playing at right midfield in a Mick McCarthy 4-4-2 and McGoldrick being the one player on the pitch he seemingly had a degree of freedom...
2014/15 - Sears got more in open play
2015/16 - Sears got more in open play
2016/17 - Sears got more in open play
2017/18 - David McGoldrick scored 6 goals, Sears 2, gonna be honest I can't remember how many of those were pennos for Dave, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he beat Sears that year...
Not sure your last sentence is true, from memory he was crowbarred there in an effort to get him McGoldrick and Murphy all in the team once they were all fit and just kinda stayed there?
I've always enjoyed a Babybel, myself... [Post edited 27 Jan 23:09]
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If McGoldrick hadn’t been so unlucky with injuries those stats you’ve quoted wouldn’t hold any water.
The guy was only playing half seasons a lot of the time and still created more than Sears. | |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 06:50 - Jan 28 with 1734 views | ITFC_Forever |
Richard Naylor.
One good game at Wembley. Never quite good enough the rest of the time.
Yes he gave his all and did his best. Not disputing that.
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:30 - Jan 28 with 1582 views | ArmaghBlue |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 20:18 - Jan 27 by Jrm_72 |
First player I really didnt like at Ipswich, Geraint Williams. This was towards the end of his time at town and I get older fans may have seen better from him in the early 90's, but my memories as a 13yr old was he was rubbish! |
He was really good at winning the ball, but 99.7% of the time he would undo the good work by passing it straight back to an opposing player. |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:46 - Jan 28 with 1548 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 06:50 - Jan 28 by ITFC_Forever |
Richard Naylor.
One good game at Wembley. Never quite good enough the rest of the time.
Yes he gave his all and did his best. Not disputing that.
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Naylor? The goalscoring forward who supplemented our attack in four different Playoff campaigns leading to promotion, a final we won where he made the entire thing click, and then played a part in back-to-back Premier League seasons and European qualifications before switching to being a goalscoring centre half who then played a part in a further two Playoff campaigns as arguably one of our best players?
He'd walk into most Town teams over the last 20 years. Sure he wasn't an amazing technical footballer, and had a few mistakes in him, but on balance given his contributions to teams here who actually did the business puts him into our lore here. [Post edited 28 Jan 9:47]
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:50 - Jan 28 with 1538 views | WeirdFishes |
Grant Leadbitter, probably the only player I’ve actively hated despite playing for us. Complete waste of money apart from the last 6 months when he realised he had to play for a contract elsewhere. |  |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:54 - Jan 28 with 1513 views | gsoly |
Was about to say Edwards is excused because of his goal against Norwich but of course that was Paul Anderson. They've somehow ended up amalgamated in my mind.
Agree on the above, 100% Lee Martin. The fee and expectation vs reality seal the deal.
Harsh on Kenlock, academy graduate who did what he needed to do. |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:55 - Jan 28 with 1506 views | RadioOrwell |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 20:18 - Jan 27 by Jrm_72 |
First player I really didnt like at Ipswich, Geraint Williams. This was towards the end of his time at town and I get older fans may have seen better from him in the early 90's, but my memories as a 13yr old was he was rubbish! |
Right answer.
A truly pointless player. |  | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:57 - Jan 28 with 1498 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 09:55 - Jan 28 by RadioOrwell |
Right answer.
A truly pointless player. |
I thought he was a decent, hard-working, midfielder for us, although his legs went and he was moved on. | |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 10:18 - Jan 28 with 1442 views | baxterbasics |
Jaime did put on a worldy in the league cup win V Arsenal though. Had Andrei Arshavin in his pocket. |  |
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| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 10:33 - Jan 28 with 1398 views | Libero |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 01:50 - Jan 28 by SE1blue |
If McGoldrick hadn’t been so unlucky with injuries those stats you’ve quoted wouldn’t hold any water.
The guy was only playing half seasons a lot of the time and still created more than Sears. |
Maybe? but that's a lot of whatabouttery - we're all aware he went on to have relatively succesfull times elsewhere after us and seemingly had comparatively injury free times elsewhere too!
One thing's for sure- David McGoldrick's goal contributions for the games he played wasn't enough, especially when you consider he was our top paid player at the time, everything went through him and he was considered the 'star' player.
I'm not saying that Sears was exceptional, he was just a good solid pro, who spent the majority of his time out of position for us and yielded a goal contribution return that was often better than our 'star' striker.
2014/15
Striker, McGoldrick played 26 games, scored 7 goals - six in open play
Striker, Sears played 21 games, scored 9 goals
2015/16
Striker, McGoldrick played 24 games, scored 4 goals - four in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 45 games, scored 6 goals
2016/17
Striker, McGoldrick played 30 games, scored 5 goals - three in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 40 games, scored 7 goals
2017/18
Striker, McGoldrick played 22 games, scored 6 goals - six in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 36 games, scored 2 goals
Your point re-creativity is fair- I don't have access to chances created or key passes but I would assume McGoldrick would mostly outrank Sears!
I think when we're talking about output though, looking at the recorded assists is relevant.
2014/15
Sears recorded 5 assists
McGoldrick recorded 6 assists
2015/16
Sears recorded 9 assists
McGoldrick recorded 1 assist
2016/17
Sears recorded 4 assists
McGoldrick recorded 4 assists
2017/18
Sears failed to record an assist
McGoldrick recorded 5 assits
in total across the same time period
Sears recorded 18 assists in 168 games
McGoldrick recorded 16 assists in 103 games
So it took Freddie Sears 65 more Championship games to record 2 more assists than David McGoldrick, however as mentioned before, he was mostly playing out of position and didn't have the luxury that David McGoldrick enjoyed of everything being played through him.
These are the facts, I appreciate people don't have the same read as I do.
Going back to the original point- I think your judgement of Sears is incredibly harsh and these stats in comparrison to our 'star' player at the time bare that out- his creative output, while playing out of position in a *very* uncreative team was solid enough, without being exceptional - certainly cain't see a case for him being one of the worst ever Ipswich players with 100+ appearances
- but that's just my opinion! | | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 11:05 - Jan 28 with 1325 views | gsoly |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 10:33 - Jan 28 by Libero |
Maybe? but that's a lot of whatabouttery - we're all aware he went on to have relatively succesfull times elsewhere after us and seemingly had comparatively injury free times elsewhere too!
One thing's for sure- David McGoldrick's goal contributions for the games he played wasn't enough, especially when you consider he was our top paid player at the time, everything went through him and he was considered the 'star' player.
I'm not saying that Sears was exceptional, he was just a good solid pro, who spent the majority of his time out of position for us and yielded a goal contribution return that was often better than our 'star' striker.
2014/15
Striker, McGoldrick played 26 games, scored 7 goals - six in open play
Striker, Sears played 21 games, scored 9 goals
2015/16
Striker, McGoldrick played 24 games, scored 4 goals - four in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 45 games, scored 6 goals
2016/17
Striker, McGoldrick played 30 games, scored 5 goals - three in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 40 games, scored 7 goals
2017/18
Striker, McGoldrick played 22 games, scored 6 goals - six in open play
Wide Midfielder, Sears played 36 games, scored 2 goals
Your point re-creativity is fair- I don't have access to chances created or key passes but I would assume McGoldrick would mostly outrank Sears!
I think when we're talking about output though, looking at the recorded assists is relevant.
2014/15
Sears recorded 5 assists
McGoldrick recorded 6 assists
2015/16
Sears recorded 9 assists
McGoldrick recorded 1 assist
2016/17
Sears recorded 4 assists
McGoldrick recorded 4 assists
2017/18
Sears failed to record an assist
McGoldrick recorded 5 assits
in total across the same time period
Sears recorded 18 assists in 168 games
McGoldrick recorded 16 assists in 103 games
So it took Freddie Sears 65 more Championship games to record 2 more assists than David McGoldrick, however as mentioned before, he was mostly playing out of position and didn't have the luxury that David McGoldrick enjoyed of everything being played through him.
These are the facts, I appreciate people don't have the same read as I do.
Going back to the original point- I think your judgement of Sears is incredibly harsh and these stats in comparrison to our 'star' player at the time bare that out- his creative output, while playing out of position in a *very* uncreative team was solid enough, without being exceptional - certainly cain't see a case for him being one of the worst ever Ipswich players with 100+ appearances
- but that's just my opinion! |
Sorta strange you've ignored Didzy's first full season with us. Scored 16 in 34 games. He was electric in 2013-14, and there's a reason why he became a PL player when the injuries dried up. | | | |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 11:13 - Jan 28 with 1306 views | Libero |
| Wost players with a 100+ appearances for Ipswich on 11:05 - Jan 28 by gsoly |
Sorta strange you've ignored Didzy's first full season with us. Scored 16 in 34 games. He was electric in 2013-14, and there's a reason why he became a PL player when the injuries dried up. |
I was measuring the time they were both at the club as all the factors/conditions would have been the same- he was fantastic in that first season but he never, ever recreated it, similar to how Sears never replicated his 9 goals in 21 appearances in his first season - although of course Sears was moved out of position there after...
In my opinion, McGoldrick was never the same after that Southampton cup game where they VERY effectively sussed how to mute his danger- the game was also on TV and from there on out I felt teams dealt with him a lot more effectively, having witnessed Southampton do so.
the 'reason' David McGoldrick 'became a PL player' was that he scored 15 goals to help Sheffield United to an unlikely promotion, he was brilliant that season and did pretty well in the Premier League too- it's just not what we're discussing- we're discussing Sears being harshly judged and I was using the comparrison of his output next to our star man McGoldrick's output over the same period! | | | |
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