| Persistant negativity and derision 10:00 - Feb 4 with 4661 views | tonybied |
I understand this season has not gone as well as some were expecting, I was hopeful that we would be making a slightly better fist of it than we have but I didn't have unrealistic expectations. I would have been ecstatic with scraping 17th and I still will.
I also understand that the mood has significantly changed since the Brighton game as we have hit a poor run of form and the outlook has changed from being out of the relegation zone to being plonked right back in the mire.
What I don't understand, though, is how long the negativity is starting to linger and how much attention is being given to individual players or the management team. Some of the stick certain players are still getting is horrendous and similar noises are starting to bubble-under for management too. This kind of negativity helps no one, why do people let this level of hatred/disdain take over their thoughts? If you received this kind of treatment in your workplace do you think it would make you better at your job? It's hardly like the players are failing due to lack of effort either.
Presumably, this train of thought does no good to the mental health of the person speaking this way either? Spotlighting a player/manager/coach and picking on every failing only seems to mean that every single decision is second-guessed as to whether a better decision could have been achieved, each small mistake made is then accentuated, causing more disappointment/anger to the commentator, it's a vicious circle.
We know that this place has voyeurs from the club or family of people involved so there is feedback that seemingly makes its way to club staff. It causes division here and as stated above most likely does no good for the person giving it out.
So taking all of the above into consideration, why do people feel the need to do it? It's an honest question and I don't want to create more division. I just want to understand what people think it will achieve. Is it just a release of a vent, in a place where you are anonymous or are you commentating the same way IRL too?
BTW, I can get sucked into negativity during a match and perhaps that can bubble over into the next 24hrs if it was a particularly bad result or poor round of results. Emotions run high in the moment and I think that is forgivable. I still don't feel the need to abuse though and don't see any reason for that on here unless a total wrong 'un is being discussed. |  | | |  |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:11 - Feb 5 with 1099 views | LankHenners |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:03 - Feb 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
As you say, it's about context - and in this context, it counters "Don't see any reason why 'but we were playing Forest Green two years ago' is a valid pacifier to be honest.".
Development wise we are years behind every other club in the PL, because we were in Div 1 playing the likes of Forest Green only 2 years ago |
What are you going on about? The point is that one can accept the context of where we are and what that entails (I didn't bother giving a full run down for what should be obvious reasons) and still the find the experience of turning up every week and watching us get beat not particularly enjoyable.
Therefore, it's fine for people to feel a bit down about that, especially in the immediate aftermath of a game, and some chump wanging on about how we used to be in league one doesn't really assuage those feelings. |  |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:14 - Feb 5 with 1084 views | Kieran_Knows |
It'll all come out in the wash buh! |  |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:40 - Feb 5 with 1032 views | sjg |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:11 - Feb 5 by LankHenners |
What are you going on about? The point is that one can accept the context of where we are and what that entails (I didn't bother giving a full run down for what should be obvious reasons) and still the find the experience of turning up every week and watching us get beat not particularly enjoyable.
Therefore, it's fine for people to feel a bit down about that, especially in the immediate aftermath of a game, and some chump wanging on about how we used to be in league one doesn't really assuage those feelings. |
Criticism of anyone that's played a part over the last couple of seasons now means you don't deserve any of it I'm afraid. You will be sentenced to an eternity of Lambert's League 1 days |  | | |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 15:08 - Feb 5 with 995 views | PioneerBlue |
The only thing I find interesting in the social media based chit chat is how anyone watching ITFC would have noticed around the time of playing wet spam or Leicester that this season wasn’t only going to be hard but very hard. I was probably disappointed at that stage and the lead into now hasn’t been a big shock even though I hoped it wouldn’t be this hard at the start of the season. This is about how some want to vent and continue venting loudly at every opportunity as though those more quiet about it hadn’t realised the gravity of the situation as it is. It’s then about whether there, as a supporter is any real value in gobbing off about the players struggling to make the grade as though we all expected every player to rise up and carry us to the Champions League final within a year or two. Follow the town up or down but meanwhile take aim at any player that might not be in good form or at the expected level even after selected by the manager. | |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 15:48 - Feb 5 with 950 views | FrankMarshall |
Think much of this relates to the rise of Fairweather fans. Anyone who remembers our shocking cup exits or the way we used to play in League 1 has no real issues with where we are today.
As I've said in previous posts, McKenna, staff and club have done a brilliant job. 95% of our signings have made a very positive impact. We are still now in touching distance of escape. Sadly, I don't think we will make it (the Southampton game really was a must win), but it has been a good learning experience for us. I fully expect us to be top six (at least) in the Championship next season and I don't think we will do a Luton. |  |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 22:15 - Feb 5 with 840 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 14:14 - Feb 5 by Kieran_Knows |
It'll all come out in the wash buh! |
We certainly can’t control it, so it does seem a bit odd to get arsey over it. |  |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 00:34 - Feb 6 with 790 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Great post.
Been staggered at the level of negativity on here and on ITFC X timeline. |  |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 05:52 - Feb 6 with 756 views | ibbleobble |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 01:09 - Feb 5 by Olcol |
It's football, the only game,
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Correction: “it’s only a beautiful game” or at least, it was, once.
I think a large part of the frustration among today’s fans is the inevitable formality of some contests and the predictable nature of events. Couple that with farcical laws, rules and regulations and rising prices - it’s all become a bit of a circus. The jeopardy which once made the game as beautiful as it was has largely gone and the stakes have increased the pressure tenfold. Players cheat, players time waste, players bend rules and are backed by comical systems that claim to uphold the integrity of the game. Corruption is in the game and it’s awash with crippling debt.
All of these things have lead to a general malaise causing a lot of negativity imo. When you wait for Saturday to come during a cost of living crisis and watch multi-millionaires and corporates maul a once entertaining spectacle in the name of progress, I’m not surprised negativity abounds. | | | |
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 06:31 - Feb 6 with 747 views | Blue_Heath |
I fully admit that I expected us to go down and my biggest fear is we would have a season like Southampton's so far. As each week goes by it's the hope that kills you. Man City for example, we had a little spell and then all of a sudden bang 6-0 loss. Southampton get back to 1-1 and you think here we go we lose 2-1, Brighton first half v second etc.
Sorry but I find it very difficult to be positive after these games. Where it matters at the match I give my full support during the 90.
Having seen 1 home win all season and the novelty of premier league having worn firmly off, there's no much to cheer is there! | | | |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 07:51 - Feb 6 with 702 views | tonybied |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 06:31 - Feb 6 by Blue_Heath |
I fully admit that I expected us to go down and my biggest fear is we would have a season like Southampton's so far. As each week goes by it's the hope that kills you. Man City for example, we had a little spell and then all of a sudden bang 6-0 loss. Southampton get back to 1-1 and you think here we go we lose 2-1, Brighton first half v second etc.
Sorry but I find it very difficult to be positive after these games. Where it matters at the match I give my full support during the 90.
Having seen 1 home win all season and the novelty of premier league having worn firmly off, there's no much to cheer is there! |
If you expected us to go down and you were worried that we were going to be as bad as Southampton have been so far then, surely, we are doing better than your expectations (or at least on par)? If so, then why so negative? You should be content with the fact that we are still in touching distance of safety and as long as that's the case until the last day of the season then we're still in with a chance. That's in line with your expectations for the season, is it not?
If we're fighting relegation seeing wins is going to be a rarity, that's just what comes with the territory, it sounds to me like your expectations are higher than what you're letting on.
Dealing with losses is not easy for anyone, but as a community, we need to stay positive. Negativity will feed back to the club regardless of whether it is in the stands or on social media pre/post-match. This was kind of my point in my OP. People seem to think that social media (this place included) is somewhere you can vent without consequences, but that is not the case, and people should be more aware of that. If you are aware of that already then as per my OP, please tell me to what end you believe sharing this negativity will achieve? | | | |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:04 - Feb 6 with 682 views | ibbleobble |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 07:51 - Feb 6 by tonybied |
If you expected us to go down and you were worried that we were going to be as bad as Southampton have been so far then, surely, we are doing better than your expectations (or at least on par)? If so, then why so negative? You should be content with the fact that we are still in touching distance of safety and as long as that's the case until the last day of the season then we're still in with a chance. That's in line with your expectations for the season, is it not?
If we're fighting relegation seeing wins is going to be a rarity, that's just what comes with the territory, it sounds to me like your expectations are higher than what you're letting on.
Dealing with losses is not easy for anyone, but as a community, we need to stay positive. Negativity will feed back to the club regardless of whether it is in the stands or on social media pre/post-match. This was kind of my point in my OP. People seem to think that social media (this place included) is somewhere you can vent without consequences, but that is not the case, and people should be more aware of that. If you are aware of that already then as per my OP, please tell me to what end you believe sharing this negativity will achieve? |
I said as much years ago in League One and it was derided. The idea that this forum could filter to the club seemed ridiculous to some, which was very naive.
To your last point, the common consensus is we are where we expected to be and are content with that. Where the deep rooted frustration lies is that we shouldn’t be - we should be higher. The games we’ve lead in, the points repeat individuals have thrown away undermines the integrity and the quality of the work behind the scenes, which may have major long term ramifications for the immediate future of this club. After a 22 year hiatus, it’s incredibly profligate. At least, that’s my frustration as It’s taken half my life time to get back here after all. | | | |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:27 - Feb 6 with 662 views | tonybied |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:04 - Feb 6 by ibbleobble |
I said as much years ago in League One and it was derided. The idea that this forum could filter to the club seemed ridiculous to some, which was very naive.
To your last point, the common consensus is we are where we expected to be and are content with that. Where the deep rooted frustration lies is that we shouldn’t be - we should be higher. The games we’ve lead in, the points repeat individuals have thrown away undermines the integrity and the quality of the work behind the scenes, which may have major long term ramifications for the immediate future of this club. After a 22 year hiatus, it’s incredibly profligate. At least, that’s my frustration as It’s taken half my life time to get back here after all. |
I don't want to appear forceful and keep banging the same drum...but your second paragraph also sounds like someone whose hopes have become their expectations. Not performing consistently from one match to the next, giving away results from winning positions, iffy tactical decisions, bad luck and poor officiating decisions all come with flirting with relegation. Those are the usual reasons for relegation, if you were (and still are) expecting a close fight for survival then this should all be of no surprise and you should be able to accept these frailties, not wallow in them.
Edited: grammar (still poor, no doubt!) [Post edited 6 Feb 8:29]
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:59 - Feb 6 with 639 views | ibbleobble |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:27 - Feb 6 by tonybied |
I don't want to appear forceful and keep banging the same drum...but your second paragraph also sounds like someone whose hopes have become their expectations. Not performing consistently from one match to the next, giving away results from winning positions, iffy tactical decisions, bad luck and poor officiating decisions all come with flirting with relegation. Those are the usual reasons for relegation, if you were (and still are) expecting a close fight for survival then this should all be of no surprise and you should be able to accept these frailties, not wallow in them.
Edited: grammar (still poor, no doubt!) [Post edited 6 Feb 8:29]
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That’s a little bit defeatist in my view though. We can all accept fine margins, the gulf in class and errors but we shouldn’t accept abjectivity in the face of criticism and repetition of bad decision making, not at elite level. Without accountability, improvement becomes very limited. [Post edited 6 Feb 9:00]
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| Persistant negativity and derision on 09:20 - Feb 6 with 614 views | tonybied |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 08:59 - Feb 6 by ibbleobble |
That’s a little bit defeatist in my view though. We can all accept fine margins, the gulf in class and errors but we shouldn’t accept abjectivity in the face of criticism and repetition of bad decision making, not at elite level. Without accountability, improvement becomes very limited. [Post edited 6 Feb 9:00]
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Surely, consistently stating how useless the team or individuals are performing is defeatist. Perhaps rather than using the word content I should've used the phrase not dissatisfied, as perhaps that comes across as being 'happy with our lot' and not hopeful of improvement. I have hopes that we will perform better and more consistently but as I was expecting at the start of the season that it was going to be a monumental struggle to survive I won't let that spill into my expectations.
As touched on by another poster above criticism can be good but if that is the crux of pretty much all of your posts, especially if continuing a day or two after a result then it's rather overly negative, for me at least, and seems to serve little other than division. | | | |
| Persistant negativity and derision on 09:52 - Feb 6 with 573 views | Kentish_Tractor |
I think the best explanation is to dive into the fundamentals of human psychology.
We all 'love' our club, to us it's almost akin to a loved one. I believe we are witnessing a dramtic downturn in fortunes - and therefore could be seen to be exhibiting the classic 5 stages of grief. With a supporter base of thousands of course, we will all be in different stages. But I'd go for how I perceive the majority.
We've gone through the denial - "It's only Man City, this wont define our season. We are competitive in all our games. It's just a few silly mistakes that are costing us" etc etc.
I would say the majority are very much in the anger stage. Fans are lashing out and the air is starting to become a bit toxic. We're blaming individual players and the manager.
Some of us have even moved on to bargaining - "It's all the housery", "It'll all be fine if we beat Wolves ands Leicester"
And maybe some of us have even moved into acceptance.
Now obviously I'm generalising massively here and situations can change very quickly in football. I don't want to be all negative and say that we are as good as relegated already (because we aren't). But I am a realist and I must says it's not looking good right now. I do struggle to see how we are going to stay up. Of course I hope we can turn it around as we all must do.
However the good news is that if/once we get past this, the only way is up and we move towards acceptance of our fate - and then the mood will lighten up and the toxicity will subside as we enjoy the ride and look forward to next season.
https://camronsgift.org/cdn/shop/articles/5_stages_of_grief.png?v=1698507413 [Post edited 6 Feb 9:54]
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