| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards 12:59 - Feb 17 with 3456 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
This is quite interesting to see. Compared with the top-scoring forwards of those seasons (not midfielders etc.) he only needs one more goal to be our second most successful forward (for a single season) of the Premier League era.
Marcus Stewart: 2000/01 (19 goals)
Liam Delap: 2024/25 (10 goals)
Chris Kiwmoya: 1992/93 (10 goals)
Ian Marshall: 1993/94 (10 goals)
Marcus Bent: 2001/02 (9 goals)
Ian Marshall/Chris Kiwomya: 1994/95 (3 goals) |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:22 - Feb 17 with 3241 views | Swansea_Blue |
Delap’s got the highest ceiling quite comfortably I’d have though. Marcus was excellent for us, but he must have been about 27/28 by the time he worked his way up to the PL. Delap was embarrassing top-level seasoned pros at age 21. He’s got it all, although he sometimes tries to do too much so his decision making needs a bit of work. |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:39 - Feb 17 with 3141 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:22 - Feb 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Delap’s got the highest ceiling quite comfortably I’d have though. Marcus was excellent for us, but he must have been about 27/28 by the time he worked his way up to the PL. Delap was embarrassing top-level seasoned pros at age 21. He’s got it all, although he sometimes tries to do too much so his decision making needs a bit of work. |
Looking back at this also reminds me of how if Stewart had remained fit in 01/02 we'd have never dropped, he still scored 6 playing half the season, with Ben grabbing 9 there should have been enough goals in those two to have kept us up. | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 15:53 - Feb 17 with 2839 views | CBMTOBWMMBG |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:39 - Feb 17 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Looking back at this also reminds me of how if Stewart had remained fit in 01/02 we'd have never dropped, he still scored 6 playing half the season, with Ben grabbing 9 there should have been enough goals in those two to have kept us up. |
and before the Premier League, there was still a top division !!!
No dig at anyone, but I hate the artificial PL era 'cut-off' - grrr!
a few additional stats, top scorer only - and ignoring John Wark as he was a midfielder
Brazil, 22 goals in 35 (81/82)
Brazil, 17 in 35 (80/81)
Mariner, 17 in 41 (79/80) |  | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:02 - Feb 17 with 2778 views | WubbleU |
With apologies to those who like their stats to go back to the dark ages of Division 1 (I get it, I was there too!)...
What does our all-time Premier League scorers list look like (all seasons)? I assume Marcus Stewart heads the list on 20 something? [Post edited 17 Feb 16:02]
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:12 - Feb 17 with 2723 views | Meadowlark |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:02 - Feb 17 by WubbleU |
With apologies to those who like their stats to go back to the dark ages of Division 1 (I get it, I was there too!)...
What does our all-time Premier League scorers list look like (all seasons)? I assume Marcus Stewart heads the list on 20 something? [Post edited 17 Feb 16:02]
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And in our winning season, 1961/62, Ray Crawford scored 33 goals in 41 appearances and Ted Phillips 20 in 40! |  | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:17 - Feb 17 with 2700 views | Sharkey |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:22 - Feb 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Delap’s got the highest ceiling quite comfortably I’d have though. Marcus was excellent for us, but he must have been about 27/28 by the time he worked his way up to the PL. Delap was embarrassing top-level seasoned pros at age 21. He’s got it all, although he sometimes tries to do too much so his decision making needs a bit of work. |
Not disputing that Delap is 'a bit special', ... but Marcus Bent is a bit younger than you suggest. He was born in 1978, so when he joined Town he was only 23, and had already played 200+ games, including a half-season in the PL for a poor Palace team that got relegated when he was 20. He got 5 PL goals aged 20.
But then he really struggled the next season and went to Port Vale.
He was PL player-of-the-month (playing for Town) in January 2002, when he was 24. (In the next three months it was Van Nistelrooy, Bergkamp and Ljungberg respectively, so he was in pretty good company.) [Post edited 17 Feb 16:28]
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:18 - Feb 17 with 2695 views | flykickingbybgunn |
1st Division 1961-62
Ray Crawford 37 goals ( including 4 in cups)
Ted Phillips 36 goals (including 8 in cups) |  | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:44 - Feb 17 with 2600 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 15:53 - Feb 17 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
and before the Premier League, there was still a top division !!!
No dig at anyone, but I hate the artificial PL era 'cut-off' - grrr!
a few additional stats, top scorer only - and ignoring John Wark as he was a midfielder
Brazil, 22 goals in 35 (81/82)
Brazil, 17 in 35 (80/81)
Mariner, 17 in 41 (79/80) |
Oh I agree, football did not begin in 1992, I was just interested in how he matched up against the players who represented us in the new format post-1992. I also think comparing Delap with some of the greatest of all time was a touch unfair whereas compared to Paz and Mark Burchill he looks far more favourable! | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:45 - Feb 17 with 2591 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:17 - Feb 17 by Sharkey |
Not disputing that Delap is 'a bit special', ... but Marcus Bent is a bit younger than you suggest. He was born in 1978, so when he joined Town he was only 23, and had already played 200+ games, including a half-season in the PL for a poor Palace team that got relegated when he was 20. He got 5 PL goals aged 20.
But then he really struggled the next season and went to Port Vale.
He was PL player-of-the-month (playing for Town) in January 2002, when he was 24. (In the next three months it was Van Nistelrooy, Bergkamp and Ljungberg respectively, so he was in pretty good company.) [Post edited 17 Feb 16:28]
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He was referencing Marcus Stewart who was in his late 20's, not Bent. | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 17:26 - Feb 17 with 2506 views | Sharkey |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:45 - Feb 17 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
He was referencing Marcus Stewart who was in his late 20's, not Bent. |
Ah, yes, I see that now. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 17:53 - Feb 17 with 2429 views | MK1 |
We haven't had that many seasons in the PL, so no great surprise really. The only season of the PL era, where we haven't been in a relegation fight, was that 2000/1 season, so again, not really surprised by this. |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 18:49 - Feb 17 with 2306 views | CBMTOBWMMBG |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:44 - Feb 17 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Oh I agree, football did not begin in 1992, I was just interested in how he matched up against the players who represented us in the new format post-1992. I also think comparing Delap with some of the greatest of all time was a touch unfair whereas compared to Paz and Mark Burchill he looks far more favourable! |
Having seen them both, I think he could be in same league as Mariner, in time.
They have similarities: strong, bit nasty, take no prisoners, pacy, play with a smile on their face, look like they are enjoying it. Have a goal in them.
Far to early to say of course. Mariner made the most of his talent, was a fantastic team man, and played in a truly great side. 35 caps for England says just how good he was.
But by the same age, Delap has achieved more! Mariner debuted in Division 1 when he was 23.
I'm going to enjoy seeing how far Delap can go. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 18:59 - Feb 17 with 2271 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 18:49 - Feb 17 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
Having seen them both, I think he could be in same league as Mariner, in time.
They have similarities: strong, bit nasty, take no prisoners, pacy, play with a smile on their face, look like they are enjoying it. Have a goal in them.
Far to early to say of course. Mariner made the most of his talent, was a fantastic team man, and played in a truly great side. 35 caps for England says just how good he was.
But by the same age, Delap has achieved more! Mariner debuted in Division 1 when he was 23.
I'm going to enjoy seeing how far Delap can go. |
Delap is young. Dont expect him to compare with the greats. Yet.
Give him time to develop. To adjust to the level.
He will play for England at the top level I am sure.
But he is not there yet. But with current progress he will be. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 07:35 - Feb 18 with 1781 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:39 - Feb 17 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Looking back at this also reminds me of how if Stewart had remained fit in 01/02 we'd have never dropped, he still scored 6 playing half the season, with Ben grabbing 9 there should have been enough goals in those two to have kept us up. |
Which is all the more galling given Stewart’s injury was a training ground incident | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 07:38 - Feb 18 with 1766 views | Herbivore |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 18:59 - Feb 17 by flykickingbybgunn |
Delap is young. Dont expect him to compare with the greats. Yet.
Give him time to develop. To adjust to the level.
He will play for England at the top level I am sure.
But he is not there yet. But with current progress he will be. |
I wouldn't be very surprised if he plays for England this year. |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 08:17 - Feb 18 with 1685 views | vapour_trail |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 15:53 - Feb 17 by CBMTOBWMMBG |
and before the Premier League, there was still a top division !!!
No dig at anyone, but I hate the artificial PL era 'cut-off' - grrr!
a few additional stats, top scorer only - and ignoring John Wark as he was a midfielder
Brazil, 22 goals in 35 (81/82)
Brazil, 17 in 35 (80/81)
Mariner, 17 in 41 (79/80) |
Alan Shearer seems so taken with the prem record goal scorer thing. He even celebrated Kane moving to Germany.
It’s like he’s never heard of Jimmy Greaves. |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 08:40 - Feb 18 with 1640 views | DanTheMan |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 13:22 - Feb 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Delap’s got the highest ceiling quite comfortably I’d have though. Marcus was excellent for us, but he must have been about 27/28 by the time he worked his way up to the PL. Delap was embarrassing top-level seasoned pros at age 21. He’s got it all, although he sometimes tries to do too much so his decision making needs a bit of work. |
Was screaming for him to pass it to Hutchinson in the first half against Villa. He was unmarked in such a good position.
It'll come with time but probably not with us unfortunately. |  |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 09:00 - Feb 18 with 1595 views | cressi |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:18 - Feb 17 by flykickingbybgunn |
1st Division 1961-62
Ray Crawford 37 goals ( including 4 in cups)
Ted Phillips 36 goals (including 8 in cups) |
Ray Crawford was a goal machine all his career amazing if not for a certain Jimmy Greaves would have one more England caps in the one or two he did get he still scored. And past his best still scored two for Colchester to knock a top Leeds side out the FA Cup in 1970. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 09:01 - Feb 18 with 1589 views | Herbivore |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 08:40 - Feb 18 by DanTheMan |
Was screaming for him to pass it to Hutchinson in the first half against Villa. He was unmarked in such a good position.
It'll come with time but probably not with us unfortunately. |
Once that bit of his game clicks, and it partly comes with experience, he's going to be unplayable. | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 10:06 - Feb 18 with 1460 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 07:35 - Feb 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Which is all the more galling given Stewart’s injury was a training ground incident |
I still remember reading the news and feeling absolutely awful, little did I know how big of a deal that would be not for just that season, but the history of the club.
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If only Marcus Evans had bought us in the summer of 2003, and swallowed our debt then, we already had a squad/manager fit to go back up we just didn't have the cash to keep it together! | |
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| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 12:41 - Feb 18 with 1268 views | mellowblue |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 08:40 - Feb 18 by DanTheMan |
Was screaming for him to pass it to Hutchinson in the first half against Villa. He was unmarked in such a good position.
It'll come with time but probably not with us unfortunately. |
Delap needs to get his head up occasionally. He is very ball-focussed. Not always aware of what is possible. To be fair he is invariably battling someone so does not get the time to. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:43 - Feb 18 with 1063 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 12:41 - Feb 18 by mellowblue |
Delap needs to get his head up occasionally. He is very ball-focussed. Not always aware of what is possible. To be fair he is invariably battling someone so does not get the time to. |
Probably good for him to watch how Hirst plays. He is far more a "team" player. | | | |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 16:50 - Feb 18 with 1048 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Delap compared to our other Premier League era forwards on 08:17 - Feb 18 by vapour_trail |
Alan Shearer seems so taken with the prem record goal scorer thing. He even celebrated Kane moving to Germany.
It’s like he’s never heard of Jimmy Greaves. |
To be honest the majority of pundits and fanbases don't really recognise what happened pre-1992, in fact a lot of supporters now weren't even born when Sky bought football. I have had "super club" supporters tell me 1962 didn't matter is it was basically pre-history and the UEFA Cup no longer counts as an honour. Thats what you are dealing with, with the Prem heads. | |
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