| Davis 07:13 - Feb 28 with 2431 views | saffers12 |
Morning,
For me I have really enjoyed watching Leif do so well for the club and be part of a great journey.
My point relates to his lack of improvement in the defending element of his game. Two things are obvious, 1) it will have identified as an issue at the club and 2) the coaching staff would have tried to support his development.
However, he has not developed this part of the game. For me now, he is not the answer moving forward and we should look at other options. Although if and when back in the championship he would do well again, I feel that would be a slightly short term plan.
Thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Davis on 08:38 - Feb 28 with 2245 views | Jimmy86 |
Leif is a typical modern day fullback, better at going forward than defending... See Trent, or Pedro Porro at Spurs as another example..
The jump from league 1, to the premiership for him has been huge, same as everyone else.. he was at Leeds and had a spell on loan at Bournemouth and that's why we signed him when in league 1... what's noticeable this season is he isn't the same attacking outlet as he was in the championship.. he doesn't get as high, as, like in the Newcastle game, it's absolute suicide and then leaves the LCB exposed.. Townsend has done well, when he has covered and is perhaps better defensively.. Leif will end up being a premiership player, but will take time, which he still has plenty of |  | | |
| Davis on 09:15 - Feb 28 with 2148 views | saffers12 |
| Davis on 08:38 - Feb 28 by Jimmy86 |
Leif is a typical modern day fullback, better at going forward than defending... See Trent, or Pedro Porro at Spurs as another example..
The jump from league 1, to the premiership for him has been huge, same as everyone else.. he was at Leeds and had a spell on loan at Bournemouth and that's why we signed him when in league 1... what's noticeable this season is he isn't the same attacking outlet as he was in the championship.. he doesn't get as high, as, like in the Newcastle game, it's absolute suicide and then leaves the LCB exposed.. Townsend has done well, when he has covered and is perhaps better defensively.. Leif will end up being a premiership player, but will take time, which he still has plenty of |
That is a very fair point | | | |
| Davis on 09:26 - Feb 28 with 2099 views | BloomBlue |
Pep changed the model of a fullback.
Years ago the fullback was foremost a defender with some ability to join the attack when required, aka George Burley.
Pep rewrote that and the fullback is now foremost an attacker with some ability to join the defence when required, aka Kyle Walker. |  | | |
| Davis on 09:31 - Feb 28 with 2065 views | witchdoctor |
criminal, considering the extra man advantage we had , that the 3rd goal led from their guy on the wing being afforded so much space… |  | | |
| Davis on 09:47 - Feb 28 with 1942 views | ibbleobble |
I think he's struggled at times too and has been culpable of more mistakes this season than we're used to seeing from him. The cries for him to be selected for England were a bit daft at the time and look even more silly now.
He needs work for sure. Who would you say has really improved this season from last though? Hard to know, right? | | | |
| Davis on 09:52 - Feb 28 with 1928 views | saffers12 |
| Davis on 09:47 - Feb 28 by ibbleobble |
I think he's struggled at times too and has been culpable of more mistakes this season than we're used to seeing from him. The cries for him to be selected for England were a bit daft at the time and look even more silly now.
He needs work for sure. Who would you say has really improved this season from last though? Hard to know, right? |
It is hard to access | | | |
| Davis on 09:54 - Feb 28 with 1905 views | Vaughan8 |
He suits a team who is dominant which is why he's been good the past 2 season and vital to how we play.
I think Townsend would have been better in certain games and i'm surpirsed we don't take davis off if we're hanging on/protecting what we have.
Even Davis' set peices this season don't seem as good for whatever reason. [Post edited 28 Feb 9:54]
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| Davis on 09:55 - Feb 28 with 1869 views | BseaBlue |
| Davis on 09:47 - Feb 28 by ibbleobble |
I think he's struggled at times too and has been culpable of more mistakes this season than we're used to seeing from him. The cries for him to be selected for England were a bit daft at the time and look even more silly now.
He needs work for sure. Who would you say has really improved this season from last though? Hard to know, right? |
You say that but at one point he was right up there with Trent in the list of defenders that have created the most chances this season.
In an England side where you are constantly playing against fodder that is tough to break down, I'd imagine Tuchel will be seriously considering him in the wing back system he normally uses.
I do agree that he can get caught out defensively but you cannot write off the importance of his attacking abilities. |  | | |
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| Davis on 09:56 - Feb 28 with 1850 views | baxterbasics |
Trouble is,if LDs selling point is his bombing down the wing and putting those pinpoint crosses in, and we accept his defensive failings because of what he offers in attack - where does that leave him standing this season where for whatever reason those attacks aren't happening? What's he offering that makes him a better choice than Townsend? |  |
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| Davis on 10:00 - Feb 28 with 1826 views | BseaBlue |
| Davis on 09:56 - Feb 28 by baxterbasics |
Trouble is,if LDs selling point is his bombing down the wing and putting those pinpoint crosses in, and we accept his defensive failings because of what he offers in attack - where does that leave him standing this season where for whatever reason those attacks aren't happening? What's he offering that makes him a better choice than Townsend? |
Not his fault if the chances aren't taken though. Not sure on the validity of this site but look at this: https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+chances+created+in+epl+24%2F25+for+defend | | | |
| Davis on 12:34 - Feb 28 with 1502 views | ibbleobble |
| Davis on 09:55 - Feb 28 by BseaBlue |
You say that but at one point he was right up there with Trent in the list of defenders that have created the most chances this season.
In an England side where you are constantly playing against fodder that is tough to break down, I'd imagine Tuchel will be seriously considering him in the wing back system he normally uses.
I do agree that he can get caught out defensively but you cannot write off the importance of his attacking abilities. |
That's a fair point about selection for the right type of opposition. However, i've also been slightly disappointed with his delivery this season, especially from corners. When you have a machine like Delap to aim for, i'd have expected a little bit more in terms of combined threat so i'm still not sure he'd be in England recognition. I'd put him behind Robinson and Mitchell in the pecking order at present. | | | |
| Davis on 12:38 - Feb 28 with 1481 views | LankHenners |
| Davis on 12:34 - Feb 28 by ibbleobble |
That's a fair point about selection for the right type of opposition. However, i've also been slightly disappointed with his delivery this season, especially from corners. When you have a machine like Delap to aim for, i'd have expected a little bit more in terms of combined threat so i'm still not sure he'd be in England recognition. I'd put him behind Robinson and Mitchell in the pecking order at present. |
Robinson the United States international? |  |
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| Davis on 12:50 - Feb 28 with 1397 views | vinceg |
| Davis on 09:31 - Feb 28 by witchdoctor |
criminal, considering the extra man advantage we had , that the 3rd goal led from their guy on the wing being afforded so much space… |
The 3rd goal originally stemmed from an overhit freekick of our own at the other end from Davis. O'Shea was indicating where he wanted the ball in the box so he could run onto it, but Davis sent it miles over his head to the Utd left and their player went the length of the pitch before being fouled for the freekick Morsy OG'd from |  | | |
| Davis on 12:51 - Feb 28 with 1390 views | itfc48 |
| Davis on 09:54 - Feb 28 by Vaughan8 |
He suits a team who is dominant which is why he's been good the past 2 season and vital to how we play.
I think Townsend would have been better in certain games and i'm surpirsed we don't take davis off if we're hanging on/protecting what we have.
Even Davis' set peices this season don't seem as good for whatever reason. [Post edited 28 Feb 9:54]
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Agreed on the Townsend point. I think it makes sense against Teams that play Wing backs as they nullify Leif's attacking strengths and Townsend the better defender right now. | | | |
| Davis on 12:54 - Feb 28 with 1377 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Davis on 12:50 - Feb 28 by vinceg |
The 3rd goal originally stemmed from an overhit freekick of our own at the other end from Davis. O'Shea was indicating where he wanted the ball in the box so he could run onto it, but Davis sent it miles over his head to the Utd left and their player went the length of the pitch before being fouled for the freekick Morsy OG'd from |
Do you mean the first goal? |  | | |
| Davis on 13:01 - Feb 28 with 1349 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Davis on 09:47 - Feb 28 by ibbleobble |
I think he's struggled at times too and has been culpable of more mistakes this season than we're used to seeing from him. The cries for him to be selected for England were a bit daft at the time and look even more silly now.
He needs work for sure. Who would you say has really improved this season from last though? Hard to know, right? |
He was asked by England to not go to Vegas with itfc in the summer, and was effectively on stand by. So not sure they were that daft. | | | |
| Davis on 20:45 - Feb 28 with 1067 views | billlm |
Townsend is a far better defender than Davis there lies the point, Davis makes a lot of mistakes and his positional play is awful,
Responsible through poor positional play for at least two against spurs( granted Godfrey didn't cover the team in glory),
The league were in Davis was never going to be the hybrid defender/Attacker of the last two seasons , mckenna put his eggs in his basket and truly got it so wrong,
This league the players are so fast and clinical it's hurt us badly with him so far as usual out of position,
If Townsend had played I'm sure we would be a lot tighter and in position for the oppositions attacks,
McKenna a would have had to make a slight adjustment on the left to balance us,
I think townsend starts we would have a few more points,
Who knows where it would have put us in the bigger picture, |  | | |
| Davis on 09:08 - Mar 1 with 825 views | rattram |
| Davis on 20:45 - Feb 28 by billlm |
Townsend is a far better defender than Davis there lies the point, Davis makes a lot of mistakes and his positional play is awful,
Responsible through poor positional play for at least two against spurs( granted Godfrey didn't cover the team in glory),
The league were in Davis was never going to be the hybrid defender/Attacker of the last two seasons , mckenna put his eggs in his basket and truly got it so wrong,
This league the players are so fast and clinical it's hurt us badly with him so far as usual out of position,
If Townsend had played I'm sure we would be a lot tighter and in position for the oppositions attacks,
McKenna a would have had to make a slight adjustment on the left to balance us,
I think townsend starts we would have a few more points,
Who knows where it would have put us in the bigger picture, |
I felt Davis was responsible for 3 goals against Spurs. Although Godfrey didn't stop Son's crosses, both times Johnson was behind Davis who had no clue he was there and was able to nip in front of him for the 1st 2 goals. When Kulusevski got the ball on the right touchline anyone who's seen Spurs play will know he only uses his right foot to balance on, so you force him down the wing and the move stops. Davis showed him inside and he scored. | | | |
| Davis on 09:19 - Mar 1 with 771 views | ibbleobble |
| Davis on 12:38 - Feb 28 by LankHenners |
Robinson the United States international? |
Brain fart. Meant Colwill. | | | |
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