| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... 07:57 - Mar 27 with 4450 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....I think Labour might have found it. Not that Reform will have any solutions but at least they get to have a go.
Edit.... On the "too big to fail, too small to succeed" spectrum I think we all know where we stand. [Post edited 27 Mar 8:00]
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 05:10 - Mar 28 with 1430 views | Benters |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 22:39 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
I've replied to you on this rather than anyone else as you, like me, are elderly and we have seen it all.
I'm not into all this angry stuff but equally I get frustrated by the gals and guys who just float around in a cloud.
This uncontrolled immigration situation is absolutely insane - financially and stability wise.
I massively welcome immigration but it needs to be targeted or at least authorised.
1000's of unchecked people just rolling up is absolutely not the way to go.
Unchecked immigration is crucifying European countries - It's so frustrating that people are afraid to voice their opinions for the fear of being called racist.
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Spot on this x 100.
Of course Europe will go tits up,you can’t have all those people pouring in unchecked.How can anyone think that is the right way to go about things.
I’m not saying they are all wrong’uns but some will be.
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 06:20 - Mar 28 with 1397 views | bluelagos |
Your timing is quite appropriate Banskter...
So for those not following, a quick update on the proposed Hillsborough Law:
I had a letter 2 weeks ago from the IOPC telling me they would report their findings by March 28, that there was no criminal sanctions possible because the cover up was basically legal (my words)
They said they were joining the calls for a duty of candour (as campaigned for and committed to by Starmer) in the Hillsborough Law legislation.
Govt. previously said it would publish proposals before the anniversary (15th April)
Clear to me the report release and the proposals being coordinated...
Yesterday Starmer cancelled a planned meeting with Hillsborough families amid credible reports (Have heard from a journo I know) that the proposals do not include a duty of candour.
IF the govt goes ahead with HL without the duty, it was quoted on Newsnight last night that the reddest of red walls (Merseyside) would end up going to reform at the next election.
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The good news - is that Starmer has a chance to sort this. Sounds like the officials were spineless tw*ts - but the Minister accepted their bullsh1t - rather than demanding the proposed laws actually have some teeth.
Starmer is a lawyer and understands all the issues. Get this right and it's a huge win for him. Mess it up and it's a massive fck up. So much so I could even see Burnham getting positioned to depose him (Not based on any insights or knowledge)
Watch this space as they say
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/hillsborough-law-chaos-pm-cancels-3494133
And it looks like my 11 year wait for the findings of my complaints may be a little longer... |  |
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 07:17 - Mar 28 with 1343 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 06:20 - Mar 28 by bluelagos |
Your timing is quite appropriate Banskter...
So for those not following, a quick update on the proposed Hillsborough Law:
I had a letter 2 weeks ago from the IOPC telling me they would report their findings by March 28, that there was no criminal sanctions possible because the cover up was basically legal (my words)
They said they were joining the calls for a duty of candour (as campaigned for and committed to by Starmer) in the Hillsborough Law legislation.
Govt. previously said it would publish proposals before the anniversary (15th April)
Clear to me the report release and the proposals being coordinated...
Yesterday Starmer cancelled a planned meeting with Hillsborough families amid credible reports (Have heard from a journo I know) that the proposals do not include a duty of candour.
IF the govt goes ahead with HL without the duty, it was quoted on Newsnight last night that the reddest of red walls (Merseyside) would end up going to reform at the next election.
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The good news - is that Starmer has a chance to sort this. Sounds like the officials were spineless tw*ts - but the Minister accepted their bullsh1t - rather than demanding the proposed laws actually have some teeth.
Starmer is a lawyer and understands all the issues. Get this right and it's a huge win for him. Mess it up and it's a massive fck up. So much so I could even see Burnham getting positioned to depose him (Not based on any insights or knowledge)
Watch this space as they say
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/hillsborough-law-chaos-pm-cancels-3494133
And it looks like my 11 year wait for the findings of my complaints may be a little longer... |
Just to clarify, a duty of candour would be an obligation to tell the full truth at a public enquiry?
Sorry to hear that this is going to drag on further. | |
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 09:10 - Mar 28 with 1250 views | bluelagos |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 07:17 - Mar 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Just to clarify, a duty of candour would be an obligation to tell the full truth at a public enquiry?
Sorry to hear that this is going to drag on further. |
Yeah - a legal obligation for the police to tell the truth at inquiries and at inquests. Evidently not something supported by the civil servants drafting the legislation (or indeed the previous Tory govts who proposed a code of conduct)
Our inability to actually introduce structures that hold the police to account is utterly pathetic. The IOPC have already ruled that the police questioning witnesses about their alcohol consumption at Hillsborough was perfectly fine.
You voluntarily come forward as a witness to a disaster and it's ok for the police to interrogate you and to record your alcohol consumption...
That was absolutely central to the lies the police were spreading and the IOPC have dismissed complaints about it.
Next time anyone claims our police are accountable for their actions - send em my way - always happy to shine a light on the real world experience of trying to get justice when the criminals happens to be a police officers.
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 10:04 - Mar 29 with 1129 views | DJR |
Speaking as a lawyer, it is rather disappointing to see Starmer's reaction to the sentencing guidelines.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/mar/28/sentencing-council-england-wales-rej
And interesting to hear Robert Buckland (a lawyer and one of the few reasonable Tories when it came to the rule of law) standing up for the Sentencing Council. To his shame, Lord Falconer (a lawyer who should know better) took the opposite line. [Post edited 29 Mar 10:09]
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 10:13 - Mar 29 with 1099 views | Trequartista |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 16:15 - Mar 27 by flykickingbybgunn |
Have you ever read the reform manifesto ?
It must be no or you would not spout such drivel.
All partys have differences. All want to improve the lot of the people as they see them.
The Labour party want to improve the lot of the common people but dont understand how business works.
The Consevatives push business and argue that creating more money supply helps everbody
The Liberals just want to hug us all
The Greens dont give a monkeys about anything except climate change.
Reform want to slow down immigration (especially illegal immigration). That is not racist. That is they dont want any more freeloading criminals on boats.
All of them say they want to deregulate. But Labour, Liberals and Greens dont. The Conservatives sit on the fence.
This is all facinating. And then Trump throws in a curve ball or two.
It's not boring is it ? [Post edited 27 Mar 16:16]
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On the surface, your argument is sound, but you've got to think about it in practice and wonder if you were a far-right racist, which party would you join?
Tiny splinter parties would match your views best but you know they will never have power so as Reform become mainstream they are going to be attracted to vote for them and join them.
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 12:38 - Mar 31 with 875 views | DJR |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 10:04 - Mar 29 by DJR |
Speaking as a lawyer, it is rather disappointing to see Starmer's reaction to the sentencing guidelines.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/mar/28/sentencing-council-england-wales-rej
And interesting to hear Robert Buckland (a lawyer and one of the few reasonable Tories when it came to the rule of law) standing up for the Sentencing Council. To his shame, Lord Falconer (a lawyer who should know better) took the opposite line. [Post edited 29 Mar 10:09]
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This seems an extraordinary piece of legislation to me, and a very dangerous precedent.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/mar/30/ministers-bill-overturn-sentencing-g
In opposition, I assume Starmer would have opposed this in principle. [Post edited 31 Mar 12:39]
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 12:53 - Mar 31 with 826 views | itfcjoe |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 22:39 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
I've replied to you on this rather than anyone else as you, like me, are elderly and we have seen it all.
I'm not into all this angry stuff but equally I get frustrated by the gals and guys who just float around in a cloud.
This uncontrolled immigration situation is absolutely insane - financially and stability wise.
I massively welcome immigration but it needs to be targeted or at least authorised.
1000's of unchecked people just rolling up is absolutely not the way to go.
Unchecked immigration is crucifying European countries - It's so frustrating that people are afraid to voice their opinions for the fear of being called racist.
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We've had Tory Govts elected on promises to cut immigration, and Brexit voted for with a big slant on being anti-immigration
But yet over the last 3-4 years of the last Govt we had net immigration of 1 million people.
This isn't necessarily an anti-Tory post - but effectively the country didn't give the Govt the consent for mass immigration, but they have done it anyway.
And whilst doing it, rather than try and make the case for immigration and why it is needed/desireable - they've constantly said the opposite and that they don't want it.
No wonder the country is confused and angry on the matter |  |
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 15:22 - Mar 31 with 716 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 12:53 - Mar 31 by itfcjoe |
We've had Tory Govts elected on promises to cut immigration, and Brexit voted for with a big slant on being anti-immigration
But yet over the last 3-4 years of the last Govt we had net immigration of 1 million people.
This isn't necessarily an anti-Tory post - but effectively the country didn't give the Govt the consent for mass immigration, but they have done it anyway.
And whilst doing it, rather than try and make the case for immigration and why it is needed/desireable - they've constantly said the opposite and that they don't want it.
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It would seem brexiters have unwillingly shot themselves in the foot as by all accounts it is now harder to stop the boats.
France’s coast is a mass of tents and I hear on the radio today that 4000 people have crossed by boat in March alone. Why aren’t the French doing more to stop the gangs and boats? Answers on a postage stamp please.
Is this something we can continue to accommodate? I think not.
Can we have a grown up conversation about this? I think not.
The whole thing is off the scale. [Post edited 31 Mar 15:40]
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 16:03 - Mar 31 with 669 views | Blueschev |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 15:22 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
It would seem brexiters have unwillingly shot themselves in the foot as by all accounts it is now harder to stop the boats.
France’s coast is a mass of tents and I hear on the radio today that 4000 people have crossed by boat in March alone. Why aren’t the French doing more to stop the gangs and boats? Answers on a postage stamp please.
Is this something we can continue to accommodate? I think not.
Can we have a grown up conversation about this? I think not.
The whole thing is off the scale. [Post edited 31 Mar 15:40]
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How do you think French taxpayers would feel about their government increasing public spending on keeping asylum seekers in the country? My guess would be not very favourably. |  | | |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 16:22 - Mar 31 with 637 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 16:03 - Mar 31 by Blueschev |
How do you think French taxpayers would feel about their government increasing public spending on keeping asylum seekers in the country? My guess would be not very favourably. |
Yes, exactly my point. | |
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 05:04 - Apr 1 with 475 views | Benters |
| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 15:22 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
It would seem brexiters have unwillingly shot themselves in the foot as by all accounts it is now harder to stop the boats.
France’s coast is a mass of tents and I hear on the radio today that 4000 people have crossed by boat in March alone. Why aren’t the French doing more to stop the gangs and boats? Answers on a postage stamp please.
Is this something we can continue to accommodate? I think not.
Can we have a grown up conversation about this? I think not.
The whole thing is off the scale. [Post edited 31 Mar 15:40]
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It costs 8 million pound a day to keep that lot in Hotels.
Anyone who thinks that is good needs a head wobble.
Stop the boats! | |
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| If there was a strategy to get Reform elected.... on 06:06 - Apr 1 with 459 views | Swansea_Blue |
Very worrying indeed. It seems to take us a step closer to the politicisation of the justice system, which is something we should resist at ll costs seeing how that’s gone in the States. It’s good to see Jenrick supporting this - it’s very easy to know it’s a bad idea when he pops up supporting something! |  |
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